mr.mister Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 So, I heard recently that my sister's fiance went and bought himself a stafford pup from a registered breeder. I was very impressed, until my mother excitedly told me that the puppy was blue. I automatically had sirens going in my head, but then thought I'd go and visit the ever wise DOL before I said anything stupid. I have no idea what this breeder charged for the pup, so I can't make a comment on whether he was ripped off or not. Is a breeder who specifically breeds blue staffords unethical, or should I be proud of him that he went to a registered breeder rather than a backyarder? I am aware that blues can't be shown, and that due to their popularity and 'rareness' :rolleyes: that there is a lack of actual quality within the colour - so a breeder specifically breeding for the colour wouldn't be aiming for breed betterment. Also, I've heard of a number of allergy and skin issues related to blues? On the other hand, should I just be happy that he's gone to someone who I presume health tests their stock and somewhat goes by the book? I don't know. I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baileys mum Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) I'm not too sure how to link but there is a 20+ page thread in the puppy problems forum that might answer your question. Edited February 1, 2011 by Baileys mum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpley Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Breeding for color is unethical. Breeding for the sake of making some $$$ is unethical. Selling pups for ludicrous amounts because they are a 'rare' color is unethical. Selling pups to people with the statement 'will make a good stud dog' is unethical. Unfortunately a lot of blue staffords breeders do one, or all, of the above. Blues can be shown it is an accepted 'color' (its a dilute) but not many conform to the standard so you don't see many in the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I would consider anyone deliberately breeding for blue unethical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I would consider anyone deliberately breeding for blue unethical. + 1 and those breeding blue to blue should be shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I would consider anyone deliberately breeding for blue unethical. x 2 And blue to blue matings.. either highly ignorant, highly unethical or both. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Blue is not "rare" anymore! It seems every second staffy you see these days is "blue". Breeding for colour alone is unethical, especially when there are health problems associated with the particular colour. And blue staffys very rarely actually look like a well-bred stafford should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthless Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 But just because the pup is blue doesn't mean the breeder is bad and/or unethical. Non blue-blue matings can produce blues, yeah? Warning signs are if both parents are blue, the price was exorbitant and the kennel name has blue in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.mister Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) Sigh. Yes, I thought so too. :rolleyes: It's hard enough to get people to buy from registered breeders. It only confuses the hell out of them when you tell them they shouldn't buy from specific registered breeders as well. I thought blues weren't able to be shown because it's physically impossible for them to have a black nose? Ruthless: I am hoping that that is the case, as I don't know the prefix or the heritage of the pup. Hoping. Edited February 1, 2011 by alexhegyesi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollie10 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 But just because the pup is blue doesn't mean the breeder is bad and/or unethical. Non blue-blue matings can produce blues, yeah?Warning signs are if both parents are blue, the price was exorbitant and the kennel name has blue in it. I second this. Just because the pup is blue, doesn't mean the breeder is breeding blue pups deliberately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Isn't blue resessive? If it's resessive than it's possible that a reptuable registered breeder had one or two pop up in the litter from non blue parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Be proud of the guy he has tried to get a puppy from the right place. Don't give him any grief about the colour either. Puppy may be fine. I've taught several that haven't got bad skin issues. Also had several clients that had traditional coloured staffies that did have skin issues. Is a blue Stafford breeder unethical? For me it depends on the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If they are breeding for blue - absolutely. If they happen to have a random blue appear - not necessarily. And they can be shown even though they can't have a black nose because the absence of a black nose isn't a disqualification, just a fault like thousands of other faults (some of which might actually matter to the health and welfare of the dog :rolleyes:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 But just because the pup is blue doesn't mean the breeder is bad and/or unethical. Non blue-blue matings can produce blues, yeah?Warning signs are if both parents are blue, the price was exorbitant and the kennel name has blue in it. Thats just the tip of the iceberg and the following should ring alarm bells too bred specifically for family pets the entire litter is on the main register blue to blue mating claim the pup is a pied when it's simply a black brindle with a white chest and possibly socks the non blue pups in a litter are heavily discounted (meaning they are sold closer to the going rate for an SBT pup) "carry the blue genes" "carry the blue pied gene" parents are in excess of 20kgs some 25kg's or more and it's promoted as a good thing "english staffy" blue makes a perfect show dog none of the pups are line bred and that's promoted as a plus when you can clearly see patches of hair missing in puppy pics (or any pics) when they can't spell "conformation" generations of blue big bitch with a massive head blue has a black nose when all they can talk about from a potential litter is the perfect colour they might produce when the majority of what they say about their adult dogs, consists of it's coat colour and "personality" "has an excellent pedigree" with not a CH, CD, ET or any other title to be seen big chunky bitch with a head like a boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Before you say anything, think about how you would feel jf your sisters fiancé criticized your brand new puppy, the breeder he bought him from, the breeders practices, the price he paid. Then say "he's beautiful!" like you mean it and leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 "Like" for GayleK's post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Before you say anything, think about how you would feel jf your sisters fiancé criticized your brand new puppy, the breeder he bought him from, the breeders practices, the price he paid. Then say "he's beautiful!" like you mean it and leave it at that. why ? if one of my family went out and purchased a blue pup, they'd certainly be subject to what I thought. followed by not to bother to come to me when poo hits the fan, because they have been warned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthless Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 But just because the pup is blue doesn't mean the breeder is bad and/or unethical. Non blue-blue matings can produce blues, yeah?Warning signs are if both parents are blue, the price was exorbitant and the kennel name has blue in it. Thats just the tip of the iceberg and the following should ring alarm bells too bred specifically for family pets the entire litter is on the main register blue to blue mating claim the pup is a pied when it's simply a black brindle with a white chest and possibly socks the non blue pups in a litter are heavily discounted (meaning they are sold closer to the going rate for an SBT pup) "carry the blue genes" "carry the blue pied gene" parents are in excess of 20kgs some 25kg's or more and it's promoted as a good thing "english staffy" blue makes a perfect show dog none of the pups are line bred and that's promoted as a plus when you can clearly see patches of hair missing in puppy pics (or any pics) when they can't spell "conformation" generations of blue big bitch with a massive head blue has a black nose when all they can talk about from a potential litter is the perfect colour they might produce when the majority of what they say about their adult dogs, consists of it's coat colour and "personality" "has an excellent pedigree" with not a CH, CD, ET or any other title to be seen big chunky bitch with a head like a boy I know I shouldn't, but some of them made me laugh out loud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Before you say anything, think about how you would feel jf your sisters fiancé criticized your brand new puppy, the breeder he bought him from, the breeders practices, the price he paid. Then say "he's beautiful!" like you mean it and leave it at that. why ? if one of my family went out and purchased a blue pup, they'd certainly be subject to what I thought. followed by not to bother to come to me when poo hits the fan, because they have been warned. Oh I have no doubt at all that you would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monique.c Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 My friends just bought a blue SBT puppy as well and at first I was a bit iffy but they then said that got him from a registered breeder and most of the litter were the regular brindle colour and there was only two blue pups and I'm pretty sure they were charging th same for all pups, so I guess not all people selling blue puppies would have to necessarily be bad or unethical... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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