SwaY Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) As published in the Feb 2011 gazette Minimum Breeding Age for Bitches (Effective or bitches mated after 1 May 2010) - surely they mean May 2011?? as per the 2010 AGM http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...=211475&hl= 12 Months Affenpinscher Airedale Terrier Australian Cattle Dog Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog Australian Silky Terrier Bichon Frise Border Terrier Boston Terrier British Bulldog Bull Terrier Bull Terrier [Miniature] Chihuahua [all varieties] Chinese Crested Dog Cocker Spaniel Collie [Rough and Smooth] Dachshund [all varieties] English Springer Spaniel English Toy Terrier French Bulldog German Hunting Terrier German Spitz [Klein] German Spitz [Mittel] Griffon Bruxellois Havanese Italian Greyhound Jack Russell Terrier Japanese Chin Japanese Spitz Labrador Retriever Lhasa Apso Lowchen Maltese Miniature Pinscher Papillon Pekingese Pomeranian Portugese Podengo Pug Schnauzer [all varieties] Schipperke Shih Tzu Tenterfield Terrier Tibetan Spaniel Welsh Corgi [Cardigan and Pembroke] West Highland White Terrier Yorkshire Terrier 16 Months Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Finnish Lapphund Golden Retriever Shetland Sheepdog 18 Months Afghan Hound Akita Inu Alaskan Malamute American Staffordshire Terrier Australian Kelpie Australian Terrier Basenji Basset Basset Fauve de Bretagne Beagle Bearded Collie Bedlington Terrier Belgian Shepherd Dog [all varieties] Bergamasco Shepherd Dog Bloodhound Bluetick Coonhound Border Collie Borzoi Bouvier des Flandres Boxer Bracco Italiano Briard Brittany Bullmastiff Cairn Terrier Canaan Dog Cesky Terrier Chesapeake Bay Retriever Chow Chow Curly Coated Retriever Dalmatian Dandie Dinmont Terrier Deerhound Dobermann Dogue De Bordeaux Dutch Shepherd Eurasier Field Spaniel Finnish Spitz Flat Coated Retriever Fox Terrier [smooth and Wire] German Pinscher German Shepherd Dog German Shorthaired and Wirehaired Pointer Glen of Imaal Gordon Setter Grand Basset Griffon Vendeen Greyhound Hamiltonstovare Harrier Ibizan Hound Irish Red & White Setter Irish Setter Irish Terrier Irish Water Spaniel Italian Corso Italian Spinone Keeshond Kerry Blue Terrier King Charles Spaniel Lakeland Terrier Lagotto Romagnolo Large Munsterlander Manchester Terrier Neapolitan Mastiff Norfolk Terrier Norwegian Elkhound Norwick Terrier Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever Old English Sheepdog Club Otterhound Parson Russell Terrier Peruvian Hairless Dog Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen Pharaoh Hound Polish Lowland Sheepdog Pointer Poodle [Miniatures and Toys] Portuguese Water Dog Puli Pumi Pyrenean Mastiff Rhodesian Ridgeback Saluki Samoyed Scottish Terrier Sealyham Terrier Shar Pei Shiba Inu Siberian Husky Skye Terrier Sloughi Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Staffordshire Bull Terrier St Bernard Sussex Spaniel Swedish Lapphund Swedish Vallhund White Swiss Shepherd Dog Tibetan Terrier Weimaraner Weimaraner [Longhair] Welsh Springer Spaniel Welsh Terrier Whippet Xoloitzcuintle [Miniature] 20 Months Australian Shepherd Bernese Mountain Dog Mastiff 22 Months Rottweiler Tibetan Mastiff 24 Months Anatolian Shepherd Dog Black Russian Terrier Canadian Eskimo Dog Central Asian Shepherd Dog Clumber Spaniel Cocker Spaniel [American] English Setter Foxhound Great Dane Hungarian Vizsla Hungarian Wirehaired Vizsla Irish Wolfhound Kangal Komondor Kuvasz Leonberger Maremma Sheepdog Newfoundland Norwegian Buhund Poodle [standard] Pyrenean Mountain Dog Spanish Mastiff Xoloitzcuintle [intermediate and Standard] Edited January 29, 2011 by SwaY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Wonder who thought up these rules? I bet they didn't bother to consult the repro specialist vets. Very odd that they are allowing different ages for breeds of similar size and allowing earlier matings for breeds much larger than some they have down for 24 months. An Akita is a much larger breed than a Visla and an Airdale is a much bigger breed than an American Cocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Those with clubs were consulted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowanbree Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I think it is great and hopefully it will put a stop to the current trend of breeding bitchs far too young. I can't believe how young some breeders are mating their girls. Would have like to have seen shelties at 18mths though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 May 2010 or May 2011???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullbreedlover Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 With these ages, I know that Qld has been party to allowing a bitch(Bullmastiff) to be bred from under the minimum age for that particular breed.The puppies were registered on Main instead of limited. This was after the ruling came in with ANKC. And the ANKC were not prepared to go against what the CCCQ did. The CCCQ were not prepared to change what they had done. So while these may be the minimum ages for breeding it can also be all smoke and mirrors. And personally I believe the minimum age for Bulldogs should be 18 months not 12 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Some absolute minimum's are fine but a lot depends on how many seasons the bitch has had. I usually prefer 2-3 years for a first litter but had one girl on her 5th season at 22 months ,so mated her then. They lose fertility with every season so if they come in early and cycle every four months, earlier is better than later, to avoid problems. Also, while I don't agree with breeding very young bitches, the few in my breed I know of that have been accidently mated at 9-10 months, have all whelped and raised their litters with no problems whatsoever. Edited January 29, 2011 by dancinbcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinaJ Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 The minimum age for Rottweilers now coincides with the RCV's minimum age of 22 months The RCV was consulted and asked what the Club's minimum breeding age for bitches was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelsun Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 We don't have a state breed club or national breed club and to my knowledge no breeder in Victoria in my breed was consulted about selecting an age suitable for mating. What annoys me as well as no consultation is that there is no mention of the males and ages. Many have no issues using them at a year, but personally I don't agree with it. I am also curious about which date will apply..May past, or May future? This will probably impact my breeding plans as the bitch I plan on mating will be probably about three weeks earlier than her eighteen month birthday. I personally wouldn't even blink normally as it's close enough for me, but where will this actually leave me in the eyes of VCA? She will be hip/elbow tested and have had three seasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 On the front page of DOGS VIC it says - Minimum Breeding Age for Bitches (effective for bitches mated after 1 May 2011) Direct link to PDF http://www.dogsvictoria.org.au/assets/news...mumbreedage.pdf The FEB gazette says May 2010, as does the PDF on this PAGE Direct link to PDF http://www.dogsvictoria.org.au/assets/news...gagebitches.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 We don't have a state breed club or national breed club and to my knowledge no breeder in Victoria in my breed was consulted about selecting an age suitable for mating. What annoys me as well as no consultation is that there is no mention of the males and ages. Many have no issues using them at a year, but personally I don't agree with it. I am also curious about which date will apply..May past, or May future? This will probably impact my breeding plans as the bitch I plan on mating will be probably about three weeks earlier than her eighteen month birthday. I personally wouldn't even blink normally as it's close enough for me, but where will this actually leave me in the eyes of VCA? She will be hip/elbow tested and have had three seasons... Why would you need a minimum for dogs? They don't have to carry and raise a litter. If they need to be hip/elbow scored they have to be old enough for that but many of the breeding problems these days stem from using males too late for the first time. The old breeders used to use males around 9-10 months for a first mating and had much more reliable studs as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Well Im sure the people who were in the clubs and voted on what they thought was best for their breeds are all happy Its too bad that none of it makes any sense from a science perspective. Cant see any point actually any more in breeders needing to know jack about the science of the reproductive issues of the species.They can all be led like lemmings to do as they are told rather than need to know why or why not. Repo vets tell us the opposite but some where some how someone decided that a good breeder was one who interfered and tried to turn their dogs into humans and now its been voted on and like it or not whether its good for the dogs or not its a done deal. Then we see Cavs can be mated at a younger age than beagles or Aussie terriers when world wide they are asking us to hold off on mating cavs. Why can cavs be mated earlier than all of those others? 24 months for a Maremma ? Why? Im such a terrible breeder Ive been breeding them at 18 months for 16 years so where can I go to learn why what Ive been doing is wrong and why making my bitch wait for up to a year longer [ because of their cycles ] is better for her or her puppies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becks Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I'd love to know the reasoning of letting a Giant Schnauzer breed from 12 months old, they haven't even finished growing at that age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakbelgian Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Does anyone know what is the MAXIMUM age a bitch can bred from? From an ANKC ruleing. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Does anyone know what is the MAXIMUM age a bitch can bred from?From an ANKC ruleing. BB God, don't get them started on that as well. The maximum age should be decided on an individual basis by the breeder and their vet. 8 or 9 is common in my breed for a last litter and some even produce well at 10. These ages would be positively geriatric in many breeds and even in some bloodlines in our breed. If a bitch is fit and healthy, not showing her age and has not already raised large numbers of puppies or had a lot of litters, there is no problem with breeding her, no matter what her age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puppoochi Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Personally, it doesn't really affect me as I've always waited till my bitches are around 2 before mating them. That's my personal choice, I want them to grow up first, However, the inconsistancies with all of this is just rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgie_cat Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Sorry to drag up an old topic, but does this mean mated after 16mo or whelping after 16mo? And is it just for Vic or all states? Just working out timing but hopefully a non issue anyway - she would have to come in very early for me to have to worry! Edited January 14, 2013 by bridgie_cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkeyre Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I assume "Breeding Age" to mean the age at mating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 And the back yard breeders can still breed what they like when they like and to whom they wish. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisart Dobes Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 And the back yard breeders can still breed what they like when they like and to whom they wish. What a joke. Not just backyard breeders !!! I have just found out that a girl we sold into an experienced show home in NSW has had a litter - she is from our H Litter they were 12 mths old on 11/09/12 - she whelped her litter on 14/11/12. Even if this was a "mistake" (and I don't believe that for one second - these people have been in dogs forever) you just wouldn't let it go to term in a 12 mth old dobermann bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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