JulesP Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 My club does the yellow bandanna too. Also if a dog does a runner it is not allowed off lead for 4 weeks. That rule does tend to make some people hesitate when they know their dog is a bit dodgy. Rather than tethering your dog to a pole could you put him in a crate? I wouldn't tie my touchy girl up, not worth the stress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I wouldn't tie my dog out either, especially if I knew they were DA sometimes. The club I go to has a rule that no dogs are to be tied out, and I think it's a good one. Too much risk of incidents if the tied up dog feels trapped or cornered by another dog or person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 My club does the yellow bandanna too. Also if a dog does a runner it is not allowed off lead for 4 weeks. That rule does tend to make some people hesitate when they know their dog is a bit dodgy. Rather than tethering your dog to a pole could you put him in a crate? I wouldn't tie my touchy girl up, not worth the stress. I think this is a very good idea. Not only will other dogs not be able to get to yours, but he'll probably feel a lot less stressed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Just be careful about the attitude that I have seen evolve at another with a similar "colour code" system. What happened there regardless of how much and how often instructors reminded the members of their respective classes was that those with dogs with "issues" and who used the colour coding to assist tended to adapt an attitude of "I have my colour code so everyone else needs to give me space" and with that, they themselves both stopped being vigilant and keeping their own space away from other dogs and also blamed anyone else for coming near them, even if it were accidentally. It's a good idea. I'm not condemning it. But the Club need to be aware of this possibility and so do the Club members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 IMO all of that is just an excuse for people being lazy minded. It's not an excuse; it's an explanation. People ARE lazy. I sure am. It's called energy conservation, and it's evolutionarily stable. Even thinking about something costs energy. What's more, what happens when you give your dog an instruction and the dog ignores you? Not giving the instruction at all would be preferable on a sub-conscious level. You can't blame people for being people. I used to think "If I can do it, why can't everyone else, dammit!" I grew up and realised that some people really can't do what I can do, or at least need to train themselves before they can. There's no impetus to train yourself if the consequences aren't a big deal and you don't have the natural inclination. I find it easier to keep my head and decide on a course of action if I can imagine why the objectionable behaviour is happening in the first place. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 My club does the yellow bandanna too. Also if a dog does a runner it is not allowed off lead for 4 weeks. That rule does tend to make some people hesitate when they know their dog is a bit dodgy. Rather than tethering your dog to a pole could you put him in a crate? I wouldn't tie my touchy girl up, not worth the stress. I think this is a very good idea. Not only will other dogs not be able to get to yours, but he'll probably feel a lot less stressed too. My club actually has a coat that is put on the dog which has in big black letter "I need my space". It's similar to those you see on guide dogs in training. This was implemented after a rather nasty dog fight broke out during training. We are no longer allowed to socialise our dogs during class times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I realise you are "explaining" Corvus, but even doing that seems to give some value to simple stupidity and selfishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsrawesome Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 i used to show beef cattle for my school and at the brisbane show. There were these people near us with a pram (they were holding the child) and i said calmly can you please move my bull kicks and they just gave me a puzzled look so i shouted CAN YOU PLEASE MOVE OUT OF THE WAY HE KICKS!!! some people are just stupid haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I realise you are "explaining" Corvus, but even doing that seems to give some value to simple stupidity and selfishness. There is value in reality, Erny. I used to show cattle, too. Some people tied a ribbon around the tail of an animal that kicked, but it wasn't very common. I believe it came from the horse folk. I never got kicked because I was scared of it happening and so I was super careful. That's my point about consequences dictating how people handle risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I have a DA french bulldog... try getting people to stay away from him with their dogs... apparently all small dogs are friendly He doesn't like dogs bigger than himself (so practically all dogs) and since he's 11 and quite gummy in any fight he will come off second best. We don't take him out much because it's so hard with random off-lead dogs. I'm someone that loudly tells people to get away. Corvus, I'm sorry but being lazy isn't a fair excuse. I know people are, but people shouldn't work on the assumption that all dogs are friendly, they should do the opposite and always ask / check about introductions between dogs. I don't enjoy walks with Griffin because I'm always looking for other dogs and this just makes him worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsrawesome Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I used to show cattle, too. What cattle did you show??? our school never tied it around tails thats like an accident waiting to happen, if they were really quiet we would tie it around there bellies if not it was there neck. if you have heard of the breed sahiwal thats what our school used to show. People mistake them for brahmans but they are completely different. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I used to show cattle, too. What cattle did you show??? our school never tied it around tails thats like an accident waiting to happen, if they were really quiet we would tie it around there bellies if not it was there neck. OT (and apologies to the OP) - Why is that like an accident waiting to happen? Don't know about cows, but I'm a horsey from way back and yes, it was about tying a RED ribbon in the tail hair at the top of the horse's dock. Everyone knew this was a "kicker" warning. It just meant that we gave even more room than we might. I never walked close behind horses I didn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsrawesome Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 i actually thought the person ment as in show ribbons i misunderstood sorry . Ive only ever been kicked once and that was because i spooked him. My show bull only ever kicked out at like wheel barrows and Prams ect he never kicked at actual people and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 There is value in reality, Erny. That's dependent on the situation and I guess what you might think as valuable. I don't regard stupidity or lack of common sense and courtesy as valuable. But I'm sure you could argue this until the cows come home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMAK Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 My club does the yellow bandanna too. Also if a dog does a runner it is not allowed off lead for 4 weeks. That rule does tend to make some people hesitate when they know their dog is a bit dodgy. Rather than tethering your dog to a pole could you put him in a crate? I wouldn't tie my touchy girl up, not worth the stress. i have a small feeling he would still try to bite them from the cage protecting his area and wouldn't cope with them being so close and have a panic attack not being able to move away rather then ignore (could be totally wrong) ahhh this darn dog who i love would be great if i could rent/try/by this type of equipment. we did have a soft create for agility but brandy ate the zipper and got out The muzzle seems to put him into netural and make him more relaxed as well as me. we normally take him to obedience on a wed night where less dickheads *cough i mean people are around instead of sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I crate my dogs because people are stupid and allow their dogs to come up to mine. My dogs a re friendly but I do not trust other people have a clue so therefore there is no play or socialising we are at dog club to wirk. The amount of people that walk their dogs over to mine in the crate and let them press their nose right up to it is amazing. For some reason even the very soft Rommi barks like mad when they do so I yell at them and they move away. I am constantly ahving to be aware of otehr people allowing their dogs to get right im my dogs faces if I am waiting to do something or just giving them a small break. People are stupid, laziness and complacency are not reasons or excuses. My dogs are friendly to epople and other dogs and I still don't want other peoples dog to get in their face. I tell them firmly first then if required, I yell, I reserve swear words for the truely stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMAK Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 i might just buy a special harness with velco signs on it saying " IF YOU GET IN MA FACE I WILL UCK YOU UP" or maybe " IF I JUST BIT YOU, IT MEANS YOUR TOO CLOSE" ahh shouldn't be laughing we are getting prof.. help but once i'm on the road to recovery with him, it will be other people with there dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) Nope, it's not you. The world is full of ignorant fools, even on a good day Though in a club environment the onus to educate new members on what is acceptable and what is not should be on the club IMO. From my own experience the class one instructor at my local club encouraged "socialisation between dogs" which was on the most part uncontrolled play - before class, during class, after class... so what do you think happens? New members think they are doing the right thing when they bound over for a "play" (because no-one mentioned DA, or that some members might not want another dog in their faces whilst they are trying to work) and dogs become more focussed on play time than work time... not a great combo. I'll never forget being screeched at by another member one night for allowing my puppy to approach her dog which was quietly laying by her side. I was new and only wanted to say hello... Jeez, I learnt my lesson, never did that again! Actually to be completely blunt I though she was a rude bitch at the time but now I can completely sympathise, she was 100% right. Edited January 28, 2011 by SecretKei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I don't apologize to people any more if Poppy snaps at their dog catherine.b. It does usually mean that their dog got in her personal space and was rude. She doesn't go looking for trouble. She never connects when she snaps btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMAK Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't apologize to people any more if Poppy snaps at their dog catherine.b. It does usually mean that their dog got in her personal space and was rude. She doesn't go looking for trouble. She never connects when she snaps btw. yes my dog sounds very similar. I can do obedience fine next to other dogs he doesn't go out of his way to get them just if they get in his personal space and is too close he lets them know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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