Bartok Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Is this an unusual practice? As i only do rescue i would assume so I would think anyone who shows a dog wouldnt be in the game of breeding and selling x bred dogs and cats Maybe i am wrong, but thought someone in here might know that answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erinonthefarm Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Well they mustn't like their breed very much to do that. Isn't showing dogs meant to be about the improvement of the breed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dory the Doted One Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I've had experience of one registered breeder breeding cross bred litters of dogs, not her breed though. She was breeding maltxshih to fund her breeding program. Was a very long time ago now. I don't think it is a 'normal' thing. I've heard of some breeders breeding bitches every season, but only registering every second litter. I don't have experience of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Is this an unusual practice?As i only do rescue i would assume so I would think anyone who shows a dog wouldnt be in the game of breeding and selling x bred dogs and cats Maybe i am wrong, but thought someone in here might know that answer the ankc allow this as long as they are not cross breeding ankc registered dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartok Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 I guess I just find it a bit disturbing our pounds are full of x bred puppies that get PTS daily to intentionally x breed dogs just doesnt sit well in my stomach as it is, but to do it when ur also a registered breeder and show dogs just seems a bit out of the ball park. If it is for money i find that horrible to do I would like to think they were ethical enough to desex the x bred pups and kittens before they go to new homes I learnt something new today. thanks for answer everyone ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 oh i feel the same when i see bitches in rescue allowed to whelp ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paptacular! Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Is this an unusual practice?As i only do rescue i would assume so I would think anyone who shows a dog wouldnt be in the game of breeding and selling x bred dogs and cats Maybe i am wrong, but thought someone in here might know that answer the ankc allow this as long as they are not cross breeding ankc registered dogs Sadly, this is correct. If the cross breeding is happening with unregistered dogs, the ANKC don't want to know. Maybe email and play unsuspecting puppy buyer and see if the parents have papers? And forward this proof to their state body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartok Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 oh i feel the same when i see bitches in rescue allowed to whelp ;) that doesnt bother me as the rescue didnt breed her and the pups will be desexed before rehome, but i understand what your saying but to intentionally do it when u r a registered breeder? thought we only had to edcuate the general public about BYB and puppy farming, but obvioulsy not I would just think it gives good ethical breeders a bad name and that isnt right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 oh i feel the same when i see bitches in rescue allowed to whelp ;) that doesnt bother me as the rescue didnt breed her and the pups will be desexed before rehome, but i understand what your saying but to intentionally do it when u r a registered breeder? thought we only had to edcuate the general public about BYB and puppy farming, but obvioulsy not I would just think it gives good ethical breeders a bad name and that isnt right i get quite upset that the ankc has no problems with this and also seems to do little to clean up it's backyard from less than desirable breeders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 oh i feel the same when i see bitches in rescue allowed to whelp ;) that doesnt bother me as the rescue didnt breed her and the pups will be desexed before rehome, but i understand what your saying but to intentionally do it when u r a registered breeder? thought we only had to edcuate the general public about BYB and puppy farming, but obvioulsy not I would just think it gives good ethical breeders a bad name and that isnt right You can't give a "good ethical breeder a bad name". Only they can do that for themselves by NOT being "good ethical breeders" to begin with. Sadly being a "Registered Breeder" doesn't necessarily mean you are "ethical". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) It happens, it's like the code of ethics doesn't extend ALL the way to the boundaries of animal ownership. I used to subscribe to the Ozshow email list (I think that was it, showies and breeders mostly bragging about their wins), and I quit it because there was a regular poster to that group who owned a pet shop that sold cross bred puppies, and that didn't sit well with me. I also used to be a very high profile poster on Cat World....the cat version of DOL, as I have pedigree cats. I quit that because of the double standards displayed there by some of the breeders......one in particular who breeds Birman cats and has a disclaimer on her website that she will only sell her kittens desexed and do not ask for anything else blah, blah, blah, and yet she saw absoliutely nothing wrong with an impulse purchase of a backyard bred shittypoopinschnoodlepup which she bragged about buying one Sunday afternoon when she was out with her husband for a weekend jaunt. And when I made my feelings about her hypocrisy known, the posts were removed. So no more Cat World for me. It really, really annoys me. To me, these people ARE NOT ethical breeders of anything, as their "ethics" extend only as far as they absolutely have to to enable them to get what they want. Edited January 24, 2011 by GayleK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxyNHemi Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 isnt x breeding against the Code of Ethics? Surely the canine council can do something... is this reguarly happening, or was it perhaps an oops litter? like they have 2 breeds and one accidently got to the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) isnt x breeding against the Code of Ethics? Surely the canine council can do something... is this reguarly happening, or was it perhaps an oops litter? like they have 2 breeds and one accidently got to the other? as long as the dogs are not ankc registered dogs the ankc don't care a registered breeder can bred 100 litters of cross breeds a year if they want and the ankc won't do a thing if its not their registered dogs Edited January 24, 2011 by Jaxx'sBuddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) I'd think that any registered breeder who also deliberately crossbred to make 'novelties' for sale, wouldn't be too bright about the purebreds they also bred. Double whammy to their reputation. Recently, the Guardian newspaper listed things that their 'inventor' lived to regret. First on the list was an interview with the man in Melbourne who first crossed labs & poodles, hoping to get a better Guide Dog. The labradoodle. He says he regrets doing it, because it led to some people discovering 'novelty' sells. And they started making all sorts of inappropriate crosses & selling the dogs at inflated prices. His quote: I'm on a pension & live in a little shoebox flat. If I'd gone into breeding oodles for a living, I'd be on easy street. But there was no way I'd do that. My conscience wouldn't let me. Another quote: So many of them have problems. I believe one third of the dogs bred today are the poodle crosses. People say aren't you proud of yourself, & I say no. Not in the slightest. I've done so much harm to pure breeding and made these charlatans quite rich.' Guardian Weekly 17.12.10 Full article here. Note they've put it in their Science section. ;) http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov...ors-idea-regret Edited January 24, 2011 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartok Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 There is a show on TLC on foxtel Dogs 101 Some great info on breeds but i dont like the ad for it Purebreds and designer purebeds. That just makes me go grrrrrrrrrrrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) If the breeding dogs are registered, it is against the ANKC ethics. I think you should report the person, with a description of what is happening with name address, and if you know it, kennel prefix, to the state CC. If you are not sure how to contact the CC, www.ankc.com.au will bring up the AnkC site, and you can pick up the state CCs addresses, phone nos and email addresses from there. If unethical behaviours such as this are reported the CCs get an idea about some breeders, and then, if any regulations are breached, they will take immediate action because they have already received notice of the behavior of the breeder. And the CCs do and will act against shonky behaviour. I'd also like to point out that the ANCK can do nothing about breeders breeding cross breds with unregistered dogs, as they can do nothing about breeders breeding cats, llamas, al pacas, fish or horses. They only area where they are able to take a stand is in the area of purebred dogs which are pedigreed with the ANKC. To do anything about cross bred unregistered dogs is taking liberties with the Fair Trading Act. Which is why these people should be reported to the state CC - nothing may be able to be done about it, but the CC then has a warning flag on that breeder. And breeders who are flagged are watched. And I certainly wouldn't be purchasing from anyone who is also breeding x breds. That speaks volumes about their ethos and interest in purebred dogs!! There are breeders and breeders. Edited January 24, 2011 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartok Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 If the breeding dogs are registered, it is against the ANKC ethics.I think you should report the person, with a description of what is happening with name address, and if you know it, kennel prefix, to the state CC. If you are not sure how to contact the CC, www.ankc.com.au will bring up the AnkC site, and you can pick up the state CCs addresses, phone nos and email addresses from there. If unethical behaviours such as this are reported the CCs get an idea about some breeders, and then, if any regulations are breached, they will take immediate action because they have already received notice of the behavior of the breeder. And the CCs do and will act against shonky behaviour. Thank you Will do some more research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 If the breeding dogs are registered, it is against the ANKC ethics.I think you should report the person, with a description of what is happening with name address, and if you know it, kennel prefix, to the state CC. If you are not sure how to contact the CC, www.ankc.com.au will bring up the AnkC site, and you can pick up the state CCs addresses, phone nos and email addresses from there. If unethical behaviours such as this are reported the CCs get an idea about some breeders, and then, if any regulations are breached, they will take immediate action because they have already received notice of the behavior of the breeder. And the CCs do and will act against shonky behaviour. it is not unethical behaviour according to the ankc if the dogs are not registered with the ankc so i am not sure what the ankc would do about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 If the breeding dogs are registered, it is against the ANKC ethics.I think you should report the person, with a description of what is happening with name address, and if you know it, kennel prefix, to the state CC. If you are not sure how to contact the CC, www.ankc.com.au will bring up the AnkC site, and you can pick up the state CCs addresses, phone nos and email addresses from there. If unethical behaviours such as this are reported the CCs get an idea about some breeders, and then, if any regulations are breached, they will take immediate action because they have already received notice of the behavior of the breeder. And the CCs do and will act against shonky behaviour. Thank you Will do some more research Sorry, Bartok, ran off at the mouth and added more after you had posted!! My apologies, but I guess it didn't matter much. But, please, do report. Don't worry if it appears nothing happens. Grubs who cross breed for money while hiding behind CC registration are giving the finger to the real breeders of this country, and anything anyone can do to stop them is a bonus!! Report and be damned!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 sorry JB, edited my post and added some information on the ANKC and Fair Trading while you were posting. I forgot to put it in the original. ANKC basically can't do anything unless the dogs are registered with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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