Abandoned Dogs In Different Countries

[Esky the husky]

Who wants to move to Europe with me then :rolleyes:

Sounds like paradise

[Max#1]

Who wants to move to Europe with me then :rolleyes:

Sounds like paradise

Me!

[Elina]

Me again, Elina. There are many differing opinions expressed on DOL but one thing most DOLers agree on is that puppy farms are inhumane, are run for profit only, and contribute to the large number of dogs in pounds and shelters around Australia. You probably know from reading DOL threads that puppy farms are a type of intensive farming, where miserable, unhealthy breeding bitches are kept in terrible conditions producing pups every time they come in season.

Do you have puppy farms in Finland?

Yes, I know about puppy farms. We have been horrified to see those from telly. I haven't heard that we would have those in Finland. I am sure there are breeders who breed only because of profit and they don't register all their litters (you can't register unless there is a certain time period between bitches last litter) but puppy farms, I would say no, we fortunately don't have them. One reason why those wouldn't be success in Finland is that we don't have pet stores which sell puppies.

[Elina]

Who wants to move to Europe with me then ;)

Sounds like paradise ;)

Almost meter of snow, all roads icy and -25 degrees. If that is your idea of paradise, happy journey :rolleyes:

Tell you the truth, only reason why people don't abandon their dogs, is because who could have a heart to abandon your dog in the middle of the horrible winter Well, summer is beautiful and it will be light whole night as well.

[Max#1]

Who wants to move to Europe with me then ;)

Sounds like paradise ;)

Almost meter of snow, all roads icy and -25 degrees. If that is your idea of paradise, happy journey :rolleyes:

Tell you the truth, only reason why people don't abandon their dogs, is because who could have a heart to abandon your dog in the middle of the horrible winter Well, summer is beautiful and it will be light whole night as well.

I've been taken with the idea of putting Max in snow since reading that delightful blog/comic strip/cartoon about the two dogs that have to move across the country and find themselves in snow. I can't think of the name of it, but there's the 'simple' dog and the 'helper' dog. I can imagine Max would be absolutely delighted!

I've done blitz ice, and seen snow sparkling blue, and it does seem kind of nice. You have to pay a price for culture (dog culture!).

[Elina]

I've done blitz ice, and seen snow sparkling blue, and it does seem kind of nice. You have to pay a price for culture (dog culture!).

Nothing is more beautiful than -5 degree winter day with sunshine sparkling in the snow. As much I wanted to be one winter away from the cold climate, I really miss walking in the crystal white forest with my dogs during snowy winter days.

[Max#1]

I've done blitz ice, and seen snow sparkling blue, and it does seem kind of nice. You have to pay a price for culture (dog culture!).

Nothing is more beautiful than -5 degree winter day with sunshine sparkling in the snow. As much I wanted to be one winter away from the cold climate, I really miss walking in the crystal white forest with my dogs during snowy winter days.

I can only imagine.

Like this?

Maybe it is too dark....

[Elina]

Like this?

Yes, just like that :rolleyes: My dogs love snow.

[Pretty Miss Emma]

I spent a week over Christmas a couple of years ago in Germany staying at a family friend's place. He had a rescue dog - I think from Slovakia. And then we also had a Beagle come stay with us. It was lovely for me as I was missing Miss Emma well and truely by that point and we were able to take the 2 dogs with us everywhere - up the mountain in the cable car, to the cafe at the top of the mountain, to the shops in Innsbruck, to the pub. They had to be on-lead basically at all times and in the region of Germany (and parts of Austria) we went with them there was also a strong culture of "picking up after your dog". There were a couple of places in the village where the dogs could run off lead also.

I can only wish that we had the same level of dog-friendliness here!!! And all the dogs were well behaved, and we saw plenty!!

Along with many of my dreams, I'd love to have a dog-friendly cafe here in Melbourne - I guess main issue is how do you deal with the people that haven't socialised their dogs but want to utilise such a facility. My feeling in Germany was that because people can have their dogs with them everywhere they are so well socialised from day dot that they are not fazed by much. Also poor dog behaviour seemed to be frowned up (mostly by other dog owners), so maybe those dogs just don't come to the public places so often and people are sensible enough to do that - don't know if that common sense would always prevail here!!

[westiemum]

I was inside Vienna International Airport in early October last year, waiting in the BA queue as usual - and in walks a westie walking his owner!! Having been westie starved for 3 weeks I lost my spot in the queue to get a westie cuddle! His poor owner I'm sure wondered if all Australians were this strange!

But I do remember thinking how enlightened! Dogs are integrated into European life and (I assume) as long as they are well behaved they are welcome in many public places. They assume an importance in everyday life that we here in Australia can only dream about! Even in England, my friends new Schnauzer puppy was allowed to sit on our laps at dinner at the local pub! (He was 'booked in' as well!)

The problem here seems to be that they are generally excluded from most public life instead of included through some sort of long-standing Victorian attitude.

Can you imagine dogs being allowed to greet home-coming owners in airports in Australia? They'd probably have to go through the security xray conveyor thingos with the laptops - or take their collars and leads off and have their own security queue!

[Elina]

Can you imagine dogs being allowed to greet home-coming owners in airports in Australia?

Whaaat? You can't do that?!! That is so strange. I have been so many times at the airport with my dogs waiting for my home-coming parents or friends. How on earth it is forbidden to take dogs to airports?! Like dogs are terrorists or something

[kelpiekaye]

Thats great about the No pet shops etc. We could take a leaf out of Finlands Book!

Just to throw another spanner in the works I love those Kelpie Pics!(Kelpie Kay) Wow the one with the cat is amazing. Our poor young Kelpie always wants to play with our grumpy cats, and often gets told off!

Thanks. They are great mates. Normaly the cat "Horse" that starts it though.

[WoofnHoof]

I think the socialization is a big part of it, it's hard to take dogs out and about here, especially in summer when you can't leave them in the car if you have to go somewhere that doesn't allow dogs (which is anywhere other than an actual pet supply shop or dog park). Most pets are dumped for behavioral reasons, barking, fighting, escaping being the major ones all of which would probably be mitigated to a large extent by the socialization aspect. I've looked after a number of Maltese x type dogs that are all shocking barkers when left outside but as soon as they are inside with their people you don't hear a peep.

Other reasons pets are dumped or surrendered is because a lot of rental accommodation does not allow pets, especially indoor pets.

Such different cultural perceptions are really fascinating.

Elina I love that pic of your BC in the snow it's gorgeous! Can I ask you if pets are allowed in most places but not cafes or restaurants where do people leave them when they stop to eat? Are they tied up outside?

Thanks

Edited January 22, 2011 by WoofnHoof

[Monah]

Lovely photo Elina.

Dogs are allowed pretty much everywhere in UK too, although there are plenty of animal problems (rescues etc)

Our dogs used to go to the pub all the time, and anywhere else.

France allows dogs everywhere too.

Many countries do have dog problems though, there are thousands of street dogs in many places, ie' Italy, Greece etc. very sad..

Australia is sort of in the middle, I've never understood the dog culture here even though I've been here most of my life.

I often feel a lot of it stems from the 'outside dog' culture. If dogs are not even allowed inside, why would anyone allow them anywhere else? and of course the rental thing is huge, very hard to find a pet friendly rental. So many are dumped etc. because of this. And dont even start me on aged care when poor elderly people have to give up their best friend. I've known many elderly people stay in their homes when they really cannot cope at all, because they do nnot want to give up their pet, they would rather die.

I have many OS friends who breed, show, hunt etc., all their dogs are indoors,

one is a Bracco breeder in Finland and I will post a pic if I can find it, of her Braccos and a couple of others(there are more in her house) snoozing

Edited January 22, 2011 by Monah

[Monah]

Braccos in Finland................

My perfect dream!

[Tralee]

Dogs are allowed pretty much everywhere in UK too, although there are plenty of animal problems (rescues etc)

That's odd. Now that you mention it, I don't remember seeing a dog in London during the 18 months I lived there.

I believe that there is the odd Corgi from time to time.

Not too many yards in greater London.

[Elina]

^^Nice pic Most breeders and dog owners have only indoor dogs in Finland.

Elina I love that pic of your BC in the snow it's gorgeous! Can I ask you if pets are allowed in most places but not cafes or restaurants where do people leave them when they stop to eat? Are they tied up outside?

Thanks

Well, usually dogs are left home if you are supposed to go to the restaurant since we are not as lucky as eg. Germans. If you are travelling or making day trip with your family, then your dog can stay in the car (if it's not too hot, but that's only about 1-2 months during the year) or can be tied up outside so you can see it (during winter it would ne too cold). Some restaurants and cafes allow dogs to the terrace.

Edited January 22, 2011 by Elina

[IngeK]

We moved to Australia in 2007 from the Netherlands with our dogs and cats and I am quite shocked with the dog culture here as well. I think 95% of the dogs in Holland are inside dogs. Yes they pie and poo inside as pups but as an owner you train and train and train them so after that it doesnt happen anymore. Pups also chew on things inside and yet again..training training training. To me it seems that the majority doesnt want to train with there dogs (most people here on Dol are very responsible I guess otherwise you wont sign up to a dog forum but this is my opinion in general).

Considering Holland will fit about 400 times in Australia and they have the same amount of people living there I think dogs are well more socialised. Pups get out and about as soon as you get them from the breeder (by law they have to stay with the parents till they are at least 8 weeks old) even if they didnt have all injections yet. You take them to a restaurant, make them familiar with other dogs, take them to animal farms, zoo's etc etc just so nothing seems weird to them when they grow older. I have never knows a person that didnt walk their dog and just left it at home. People are always out and about with their doggie-mates.

Dogs do get abandoned offcourse but pounds dont have a kill policy and often stray dogs get imported from Greece, Spain or Romania and find a forever home where they are loved.

Desexion is a big "no", cos if there is no medical reason why should you? Here the mentality is the opposite so I often get funny looks while my boys are still entire. They have never ever escaped our property, never seriously attacked another dog and never had "sex".

There are some backyard breeders but no petshops where they sell dogs.

Australia is a great country but I do think they can still learn a lot from some European countries referring dogownership.

[IngeK]

We moved to Australia in 2007 from the Netherlands with our dogs and cats and I am quite shocked with the dog culture here as well. I think 95% of the dogs in Holland are inside dogs. Yes they pee and poo inside as pups but as an owner you train and train and train them so after that it doesnt happen anymore. Pups also chew on things inside and yet again..training training training. To me it seems that the majority doesnt want to train with there dogs (most people here on Dol are very responsible I guess otherwise you wont sign up to a dog forum but this is my opinion in general).

Considering Holland will fit about 400 times in Australia and they have the same amount of people living there I think dogs are well more socialised. Pups get out and about as soon as you get them from the breeder (by law they have to stay with the parents till they are at least 8 weeks old) even if they didnt have all injections yet. You take them to a restaurant, make them familiar with other dogs, take them to animal farms, zoo's etc etc just so nothing seems weird to them when they grow older. I have never knows a person that didnt walk their dog and just left it at home. People are always out and about with their doggie-mates.

Dogs do get abandoned offcourse but pounds dont have a kill policy and often stray dogs get imported from Greece, Spain or Romania and find a forever home where they are loved.

Desexion is a big "no", cos if there is no medical reason why should you? Here the mentality is the opposite so I often get funny looks while my boys are still entire. They have never ever escaped our property, never seriously attacked another dog and never had "sex".

There are some backyard breeders but no petshops where they sell dogs.

Australia is a great country but I do think they can still learn a lot from some European countries referring dogownership.

(edit for typo...but there are probably more mistakes )

[Monah]

No, not too many gardens in greater London and yes,,, several corgis is a certain place

We had one though.(garden, not corgi)

I havent been back for a while, but my daughter lived there recently for 2 years( son for a while too) and saw heaps. Trains, pubs, Richmond and Hyde parks (off lead) etc.. Took lots of photos. All my rels have dogs too that go everywhere both kids are very observant though... they'll notice a dog etc. long before a freight train..

she has also lived in France and has many pics of dogs at tourist spots, in fountains, in shops etc. and she had 2 dogs there to care for that went everywhere Even large dogs, ie' Estrela mountain dogs etc. were taken out, off lead, and were perfectly behaved.

Edited January 22, 2011 by Monah