Jaxx'sBuddy Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) very often if you read past dol posts. no health/dna testing mean a higher incidence of illness and vet bills and reduced life span Is that right? How do you know? From reading this dog forum? If we are talking anecdotal what about the people who buy from backyarders and shonky breeders/puppy farms who have a great dog and couldn't be happier? this does not deserve a reply and promoting non-pure bred dog breeders is against forum rules Edited January 8, 2011 by Jaxx'sBuddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 The whole process has to be simplfied, not complicated even more. Your average pet owner just wants to buy a new puppy, they don't want to be barraged with exessive and extraneous information, or berated, belittled and blamed for all that is wrong in the dog world, whether that be rescue or breeding. The old acronym? KISS. Keep it simple stupid. Buying a pet has inherent risks involved. Mostly because it involves people and money. Just like buying a car or a house or anything. You cannot remove all those risks. But you can arm consumers with simple facts and information that may help to minimise those risks. As far as I see it, there are already far too many registries, and greedy puppy farmer types keep inventing new ones to justify and polish their business. The purebred dog world shouldn't join in ths dangerous and complicated little game. They should be making the most of their long standing, government recognised registry (ANKC) and letting the wider community know about it and a few simple facts about how it works to help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie99 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 The whole process has to be simplfied, not complicated even more. Your average pet owner just wants to buy a new puppy, they don't want to be barraged with exessive and extraneous information, or berated, belittled and blamed for all that is wrong in the dog world, whether that be rescue or breeding.The old acronym? KISS. Keep it simple stupid. Buying a pet has inherent risks involved. Mostly because it involves people and money. Just like buying a car or a house or anything. You cannot remove all those risks. But you can arm consumers with simple facts and information that may help to minimise those risks. As far as I see it, there are already far too many registries, and greedy puppy farmer types keep inventing new ones to justify and polish their business. The purebred dog world shouldn't join in ths dangerous and complicated little game. They should be making the most of their long standing, government recognised registry (ANKC) and letting the wider community know about it and a few simple facts about how it works to help them. Agree with this. More people are caught up with money, politics and ego to really care about the poor puppies. That is how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 Ive got a real easy solution for it - when you are looking for a new puppy or recycled dog go to an MDBA breeder or rescue member. Trouble is Ive no doubt registered breeders who are not our members wont see that as a viable solution. Does the MDBA have more than the 13 breeder members listed on their site and if so how does a member of the public find them? Most advertise on their websites or say so. Only a handful have gone in since the new website was put up to update their listings - they will. They can always ring me 0269276707 and I will tell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 The whole process has to be simplfied, not complicated even more. Your average pet owner just wants to buy a new puppy, they don't want to be barraged with exessive and extraneous information, or berated, belittled and blamed for all that is wrong in the dog world, whether that be rescue or breeding.The old acronym? KISS. Keep it simple stupid. Buying a pet has inherent risks involved. Mostly because it involves people and money. Just like buying a car or a house or anything. You cannot remove all those risks. But you can arm consumers with simple facts and information that may help to minimise those risks. As far as I see it, there are already far too many registries, and greedy puppy farmer types keep inventing new ones to justify and polish their business. The purebred dog world shouldn't join in ths dangerous and complicated little game. They should be making the most of their long standing, government recognised registry (ANKC) and letting the wider community know about it and a few simple facts about how it works to help them. Yes I agree it has to be simplified - the purebred dog world dont have to join in they started it and they had a fair run of it too but now registered breeder means more than one thing and that is what needs to be simplified and the CCs demonstrating how they are different - if they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Most advertise on their websites or say so.Only a handful have gone in since the new website was put up to update their listings - they will. They can always ring me 0269276707 and I will tell them. How many member breeders does the MDBA have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) We currently have approx 1100 members of which around 330 are breeders. Edited January 8, 2011 by Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 We currently have approx 1100 members of which around 330 are breeders. Then frankly, I am very surprised that so few bother advertising on your website given they went to the bother of joining in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natsu chan Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I think part of the problem is that people no longer have any concept of why we have pedigrees and we need to show people why we use them again. When you go to a new doctor or a specialist one of the things they ask is about your family and if there's any history of medical problems. Most of the general public don't really twig that pedigree animals have their family trees used in the same way, which is how many health problems actually came to be recognised in the first place. If it was explained in that way people might see that it's actually more than just a bit of paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) We currently have approx 1100 members of which around 330 are breeders. Then frankly, I am very surprised that so few bother advertising on your website given they went to the bother of joining in the first place. Part of that would be because you have assumed you know why they joined. Out of 10,000 how many advertise on the Dogs NSW website or their monthly journal? Edited January 8, 2011 by Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 We currently have approx 1100 members of which around 330 are breeders. Then frankly, I am very surprised that so few bother advertising on your website given they went to the bother of joining in the first place. Part of that would be because you have assumed you know why they joined. Out of 10,000 how many advertise on the Dogs NSW website or their monthly journal? More than 13? And I haven't assumed anything about your company, Steve. I'm asking because I'm curious. Could you enlighten us as to the reasons why people join then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 There are about 250 in this months canine Journal. Our breeders and Rescue members dont join so they can sell more puppies more easily and advertise their puppies and kennels on another website. They join to make a statement that they are not participating in the things some breeders can be doing which they dont approve of and still remain within their code of conduct. They join to access our resources. Those who have so far registered their litters in our registry have also registered their puppies in the ANKC registry and again they do that to make a statement and utilise the data resource to better track genetic diseases when profiling their pedigrees. None of us need to be MDBA breeder or rescue members to advertise our puppies or our kennels though as I said many more will come in and re do their breeder and rescue listings as what was there was removed in the changeover from one website to the next recently. Some dont want to declare they are members because breeders who are not members beat them up for it. They join because they believe its the best thing to do for their dogs and if they didnt demonstarte that to us in the original applications they wouldnt get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullbreedlover Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) There are about 250 in this months canine Journal.Our breeders and Rescue members dont join so they can sell more puppies more easily and advertise their puppies and kennels on another website. They join to make a statement that they are not participating in the things some breeders can be doing which they dont approve of and still remain within their code of conduct. They join to access our resources. Those who have so far registered their litters in our registry have also registered their puppies in the ANKC registry and again they do that to make a statement and utilise the data resource to better track genetic diseases when profiling their pedigrees. None of us need to be MDBA breeder or rescue members to advertise our puppies or our kennels though as I said many more will come in and re do their breeder and rescue listings as what was there was removed in the changeover from one website to the next recently. Some dont want to declare they are members because breeders who are not members beat them up for it. They join because they believe its the best thing to do for their dogs and if they didnt demonstarte that to us in the original applications they wouldnt get in. Is there an emotican for ROTFLMAO Cause I could use it about now Ok So I WAS going to stay out of this thread but sorry ...just couldnt resist. Edited January 8, 2011 by stonebridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janba Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 We currently have approx 1100 members of which around 330 are breeders. Then frankly, I am very surprised that so few bother advertising on your website given they went to the bother of joining in the first place. Part of that would be because you have assumed you know why they joined. Out of 10,000 how many advertise on the Dogs NSW website or their monthly journal? Is advertising on the MBDA website free if you're mamber or do you charge like DogsNSW does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 We currently have approx 1100 members of which around 330 are breeders. Then frankly, I am very surprised that so few bother advertising on your website given they went to the bother of joining in the first place. Part of that would be because you have assumed you know why they joined. Out of 10,000 how many advertise on the Dogs NSW website or their monthly journal? Is advertising on the MBDA website free if you're mamber or do you charge like DogsNSW does? Its free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie99 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Here is my solution to the problem. SCRAP all the dog bodies, councils etc, and make one body (or one that has the same ethics in every state) You could call it REGISTERED BREEDERS - NOT PUPPY FARMERS OR BYB SCUM. One of the ETHICS/CODE OF CONDUCT or whatever you want to call it is 1 LIMIT THE NUMBER OF DOGS (NONE OF THESE BIG 100 PLUS establishments) 2 PURE BREDS ONLY 3 MAKE A WEBSITE FOR ALL PEOPLE WHO VIOLATE THE TERMS AND A CONDITION OF JOINING IS THAT YOU ARE PUBLICALLY PUT ON THE WEBSITE That would be very easy for the average pup buyer to understand. So it would be simple. REGISTERED REPUTABLE breeders vs Puppy Farm scum So you are with one or the other. The problem as I see it is that some "so called" reputable breeders end up being puppy farmers. The governing councils need to get serious and put DOGS first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie99 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) So yes Steve, you do NEED to change the language. I have rung so many Pets Paradise stores and when you ask them who they get their pups from they say BREEDERS. And I say what sort of breeders?? and they say REGISTERED breeders So the big question is what is a REGISTERED breeder?? cause there are lots trying to pretend they have good names when they don't. Edited January 8, 2011 by Annie99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie99 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 So yes Steve, you do NEED to change the language.I have rung so many Pets Paradise stores and when you ask them who they get their pups from they say BREEDERS. And I say what sort of breeders?? and they say REGISTERED breeders So the big question is what is a REGISTERED breeder?? cause there are lots trying to pretend they have good names when they don't. The word REGISTERED has been well and truly hyjacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 So yes Steve, you do NEED to change the language.I have rung so many Pets Paradise stores and when you ask them who they get their pups from they say BREEDERS. And I say what sort of breeders?? and they say REGISTERED breeders So the big question is what is a REGISTERED breeder?? cause there are lots trying to pretend they have good names when they don't. The word REGISTERED has been well and truly hyjacked. And the numerous requests of you to quit using caps have been ignored. Just in case you're unaware - using caps in a forum is considered rude and is seen as yelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 So yes Steve, you do NEED to change the language.I have rung so many Pets Paradise stores and when you ask them who they get their pups from they say BREEDERS. And I say what sort of breeders?? and they say REGISTERED breeders So the big question is what is a REGISTERED breeder?? cause there are lots trying to pretend they have good names when they don't. why the harrassment? why don't you build a website and pay for it and tell people what to look for in a good registered breeder if it means so much to you. stop yelling at me/us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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