gapvic Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) . Edited January 8, 2011 by gapvic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapvic Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 Rebanne, I've managed to find out a little more info about the process should you wish to try in the future :-). 1. The vet needs to thaw each vial as per usual then mix a drop of each together on a slide and check motility. If the semen has been frozen using different extenders, the extender of one may damage the semen of the other. 2. It seems that there is no value in putting one semen in one horn and the other semen in the other as I've been advised it will still come into contact with each other 3. I've heard that you can stack your odds a bit if the post thaw motility of one is higher than the other - you put more of the poorer semen in and less of the better semen. You do then however run the risk of getting few or no pups. Have found it very hard to find info about the whole process :-(. Our bitch is likely to be implanted over the weekend so fingers crossed!! Larissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Hmm, so if you had semen from 2 different dogs but from the same kennel, they should both have the same extender, so that problem is out of the way. But having to thaw out both, then find one is so much better than the other, means the poorer one, is most likely thrown out, or if used, a bit of a pointless exercise. Lots to think about. Fingers crossed it all works out for your girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapvic Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 yes, it seems very risky. I've been unable to find out the post thaw motility for either stud dogs I've used, but if you could find that info prior, it would make the decision easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 yes it could be a lot of money down the drain, so to speak. Hopefully both yours were ok and you get 4 from each! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapvic Posted January 10, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 I've been speaking with Alistair Smith at Sandown today and he has done a few dual matings in show dogs so he seemed to know a bit about it. He said that all racing greyhounds that have been frozen here have been done using the "Camelot system" (not really sure what that means) so there is no problem mixing the semen. Obviously you wouldn't be using racing greyhounds so you'd just need to check that. I've gone back through the mating results and I've noticed that one of the dogs we've used has had quite a lot of misses, and Alistair today confirmed that the semen quality isn't great, so I wouldn't be surprised if we don't end up with any of his pups. Both stud dogs are black so I don't think we'll be able to tell too much by the puppies colour LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlemum Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Off-topic, I know, but how do you go registering the puppies - how do you know which dog sired which puppy - do you DNA test them all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leema Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Another question - how much does it cost for each puppy's DNA test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapvic Posted January 10, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 As a greyhound owner, we'll have to pay $115 per puppy to Greyhounds Australasia to have them DNA tested. We can't do this until they are three months old, and after they have been ear branded and microchipped. Each pup must be DNA'd. I'm sure show dogs are quite different, and you may be able to DNA privately for less :-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 I've gone back through the mating results and I've noticed that one of the dogs we've used has had quite a lot of misses, and Alistair today confirmed that the semen quality isn't great, so I wouldn't be surprised if we don't end up with any of his pups. Both stud dogs are black so I don't think we'll be able to tell too much by the puppies colour LOL! Camelot method was developed in America. Only method used for racing greyhounds AFAIK. Not sure exactly what the method is or how it differs from any others? What happens if you get no pups from either of them? Is there a free return? My dilemma would be not just the stud fee lost but also all the costs getting the FS here, which could happen anyway in a single sire implant. Lots of things to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 I'm sure show dogs are quite different, and you may be able to DNA privately for less :-). Not sure on prices but would have to be DNA tested before registration with microchipping already done for ID purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapvic Posted January 10, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 In our case, there is no free return (or refund) should we miss with either stud dog. It was a risk we chose to take. I think you'd just have to negotiate that with the stud owners first :-). Yes, lots of risk! But also lots of benefits should it all work :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemulvak Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Good luck with your breeding, will be interesting to see how you end up. New technology is amazing! I have friends in USA who often do dual sire matings, they run working sled dog teams and thus only have to take their bitches out of the team less often. Please keep us posted ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapvic Posted June 9, 2011 Author Share Posted June 9, 2011 Hi all, Thought I'd better update this thread! Of our eight puppies, we ended up with seven by Sire A and one by Sire B. We are quite pleased with this as there were four other whelpings due for Sire B for March and all missed, as it seems there were some issues with the semen (that have now been rectified). So although it would have been nice to have more pups by Sire B, we're happy to have the one :-). Larissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Thanks for the update Larissa, I have been wondering how you got on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitchat Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Personally I think this is a smart way to breed now days with DNA, you get a chance of two bites of the cherry. Hope more breeders start this method in breeding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapvic Posted June 17, 2011 Author Share Posted June 17, 2011 I'll certainly be doing it again in the future. Just wish the DNA prices were cheaper - we had to pay $115 per puppy (and there were eight of them!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlot Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) what would prevent me from doing this, is the cost of finding out which sire was responsible for which pup.. Edited June 17, 2011 by Sherlot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I'll certainly be doing it again in the future. Just wish the DNA prices were cheaper - we had to pay $115 per puppy (and there were eight of them!) That is expensive! Who did you use? http://www.animalnetwork.com.au Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chitchat Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I'll certainly be doing it again in the future. Just wish the DNA prices were cheaper - we had to pay $115 per puppy (and there were eight of them!) That is a little rich, my vet told me it would be $65.00 per pup so I'm happy to go with that. Maybe you need to ask around to get a better price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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