Raising Dogs In Apartments

[Rebanne]

No one is saying breeders shouldn't care about their dogs and where they go. You keep avoiding the real question. Where does yard size correlate to being a negligent dog owner?

leaving a dog unsupervised in an unfenced back yard is pretty negligent

[raz]

leaving a dog unsupervised in an unfenced back yard is pretty negligent

Good point. So if a breeder says no to selling someone a puppy based on unsuitable fencing, is that discrimination?

[Rebanne]

I am yet to see a dog exercise itself in one my large backyards. I'm still waiting for the day my kelpie will take it self for a jog around the perimeter.

you ain't seen a greyhound in action then

[Braithwaites]

And I could ask ... If you're not a breeder why do you care?

Ofcourse I care that breeders care who they sell to. Why wouldnt I?

Poor breeders get bashed regardless of what they do. Make sure a home is suitable - get bashed. Sell to any Tom Dick or Harry - get bashed. They cant win, can they. Thanks for confirming why I'll never become a breeder.

You might need some air. You have an opinion about everything and anything, as your 37 000 posts seem to attest to.

No one, especially not me is saying breeders need to abandon their want to find good homes for their pups. Having a small yard does not equate to being a bad dog owner, and placing your much loved, well bred dog into a bad circumstance. The logic is flawed, I've stated why.

You seem too quick to type and reply and less vigilant to read & think about what I'm saying.

Have a good xmas, and put the keyboard down for a day. ;)

[Rebanne]

leaving a dog unsupervised in an unfenced back yard is pretty negligent

Good point. So if a breeder says no to selling someone a puppy based on unsuitable fencing, is that discrimination?

is seems to some people any time a breeder says no it's discrimination

[Braithwaites]

I am yet to see a dog exercise itself in one my large backyards. I'm still waiting for the day my kelpie will take it self for a jog around the perimeter.

you ain't seen a greyhound in action then

lol. actually I have. That is why i said in an earlier post that Greyhounds would be a breed that is a definite exception to my argument.

Remember? And you replied it's only the adolescent grey's that need this.

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

I am yet to see a dog exercise itself in one my large backyards. I'm still waiting for the day my kelpie will take it self for a jog around the perimeter.

you ain't seen a greyhound in action then

or a boston doing zoomies

[Greytmate]

And yes. it is about yard size. *Some* Breeders give a blanket no to someone in an apartment with only a courtyard or small yard.

it's the blanket no, and the reasoning behind which irritates me.

Did you not read all my posts in this thread?

Or do you just choose to ignore what I have said, dismiss it as rubbish, and keep harping on about how you feel?

This isn't an opinion, it is science. Bones need a certain amount of stress while they are growing to develop to their full strength and potential. If that irritates you, that is your own problem, and not the fault of dog breeders.

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

And I could ask ... If you're not a breeder why do you care?

Ofcourse I care that breeders care who they sell to. Why wouldnt I?

Poor breeders get bashed regardless of what they do. Make sure a home is suitable - get bashed. Sell to any Tom Dick or Harry - get bashed. They cant win, can they. Thanks for confirming why I'll never become a breeder.

You might need some air. You have an opinion about everything and anything, as your 37 000 posts seem to attest to.

No one, especially not me is saying breeders need to abandon their want to find good homes for their pups. Having a small yard does not equate to being a bad dog owner, and placing your much loved, well bred dog into a bad circumstance. The logic is flawed, I've stated why.

You seem too quick to type and reply and less vigilant to read & think about what I'm saying.

Have a good xmas, and put the keyboard down for a day. ;)

you haven't been around long enough to insult members here...go read the forum rules before posting

Edited December 19, 2010 by Jaxx'sBuddy

[raz]

leaving a dog unsupervised in an unfenced back yard is pretty negligent

Good point. So if a breeder says no to selling someone a puppy based on unsuitable fencing, is that discrimination?

is seems to some people any time a breeder says no it's discrimination

Exactly!

I think you're the one who needs to put the keyboard down, Braithwaite. You're the one with the issue about who breeders sell their puppies to.

[Rebanne]

I am yet to see a dog exercise itself in one my large backyards. I'm still waiting for the day my kelpie will take it self for a jog around the perimeter.

you ain't seen a greyhound in action then

lol. actually I have. That is why i said in an earlier post that Greyhounds would be a breed that is a definite exception to my argument.

Remember? And you replied it's only the adolescent grey's that need this.

yes but adult greys make excellent apartment dwellers, I would have no issuses letting an adult go to an apartment dweller who ticked all the boxes, one of which would be to provide a safe area for off lead (legal, no dog parks) exercise a couple of times a week. Otherwise they may find a racetrack in their apartment.

[Braithwaites]

And yes. it is about yard size. *Some* Breeders give a blanket no to someone in an apartment with only a courtyard or small yard.

it's the blanket no, and the reasoning behind which irritates me.

Did you not read all my posts in this thread?

Or do you just choose to ignore what I have said, dismiss it as rubbish, and keep harping on about how you feel?

This isn't an opinion, it is science. Bones need a certain amount of stress while they are growing to develop to their full strength and potential. If that irritates you, that is your own problem, and not the fault of dog breeders.

I've also read research from the U.S about growth plates maturation. not taking varying breeds into account, but only the one's I own, you shouldn't work a kelpie or a border hard in the first 18 months of their life. Recommended are collared walks in parks and on beaches. You know, the kind of things you can offer from an apartment.

So my argument is only strengthened by your need to 'harp on'.

well done, and thank you

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

And yes. it is about yard size. *Some* Breeders give a blanket no to someone in an apartment with only a courtyard or small yard.

it's the blanket no, and the reasoning behind which irritates me.

Did you not read all my posts in this thread?

Or do you just choose to ignore what I have said, dismiss it as rubbish, and keep harping on about how you feel?

This isn't an opinion, it is science. Bones need a certain amount of stress while they are growing to develop to their full strength and potential. If that irritates you, that is your own problem, and not the fault of dog breeders.

I've also read research from the U.S about growth plates maturation. not taking varying breeds into account, but only the one's I own, you shouldn't work a kelpie or a border hard in the first 18 months of their life. Recommended are collared walks in parks and on beaches. You know, the kind of things you can offer from an apartment.

So my argument is only strengthened by your need to 'harp on'.

well done, and thank you

you are becoming very rude to forum members...you are starting to look foolish

[Rebanne]

you are becoming very rude to forum members...you are starting to look foolish

[Braithwaites]

you haven't been around long enough to insult members here...go read the forum rules before posting

That wasn't an insult.

By the time I reply to people in this thread raz is the only person who has found time to respond 2 or 3 times. And judging by her responses she's not reading my replies.

At least others here are taking the time and care I am taking to give this topic the thought it probably deserves.

I don't have a problem finding somewhere else to type my thoughts. ;)

[raz]

you are becoming very rude to forum members...you are starting to look foolish

Yes it's becoming pretty apparent why breeders might have a blank stare when he asks them about discrimination when selling a puppy to a forever home, isnt it.

[Braithwaites]

And yes. it is about yard size. *Some* Breeders give a blanket no to someone in an apartment with only a courtyard or small yard.

it's the blanket no, and the reasoning behind which irritates me.

Did you not read all my posts in this thread?

Or do you just choose to ignore what I have said, dismiss it as rubbish, and keep harping on about how you feel?

This isn't an opinion, it is science. Bones need a certain amount of stress while they are growing to develop to their full strength and potential. If that irritates you, that is your own problem, and not the fault of dog breeders.

I've also read research from the U.S about growth plates maturation. not taking varying breeds into account, but only the one's I own, you shouldn't work a kelpie or a border hard in the first 18 months of their life. Recommended are collared walks in parks and on beaches. You know, the kind of things you can offer from an apartment.

So my argument is only strengthened by your need to 'harp on'.

well done, and thank you

you are becoming very rude to forum members...you are starting to look foolish

I get it. Someone can say I'm harping on, but heaven forbid the new guy return serve.

Way to fly the flag for forum board cliques.

I find it interesting how you're the only poster going off topic. Keep it on topic or go on ignore. I guess.

[mita]

is seems to some people any time a breeder says no it's discrimination

I agree. It's not discrimination for a breeder to say 'no'. It's actually the same for when they say 'yes'. It's a judgement call.

Every time a person goes to their doctor, that doctor has to make a judgement call about diagnosis & treatment. Even human medicine isn't an exact science. That's why it's perfectly acceptable for people to go get 2nd or 3rd opinions from other doctors.

A judgement call is based on someone's knowledge & experience in looking at all the factors involved & giving a preference. Many times that preference will be strong.

If it's good enough for doctors to make judgement calls (& they have to), it's good enough for dog breeders (who also have to).

And it's also good enough for dog buyers to go seek other opinions from other dog breeders. If they can deal with the personality issue of feeling 'rejected' (& all of us can feel that way).

Seems to me that's the elephant in the room. Feelings of being humiliated because someone said 'No'.

Turned-away owners feeling they were being told, 'YOU are not suitable.' Instead of, 'The CIRCUMSTANCES you offer, are not suitable, in my judgement call.'

Edited December 19, 2010 by mita

[Braithwaites]

I am yet to see a dog exercise itself in one my large backyards. I'm still waiting for the day my kelpie will take it self for a jog around the perimeter.

you ain't seen a greyhound in action then

lol. actually I have. That is why i said in an earlier post that Greyhounds would be a breed that is a definite exception to my argument.

Remember? And you replied it's only the adolescent grey's that need this.

yes but adult greys make excellent apartment dwellers, I would have no issuses letting an adult go to an apartment dweller who ticked all the boxes, one of which would be to provide a safe area for off lead (legal, no dog parks) exercise a couple of times a week. Otherwise they may find a racetrack in their apartment.

This is the exact kind of thing I'm talking about. You have your pup's welfare at heart, but you're not giving people blanket options. You have a legit reason for wanting to not give your pups a home with little or no yard, but should that pup mature, you wouldn't discriminate on selling a dog to person with a "less than ideal yard - in some breeder's mind".

This is the kind of thing we need more of.

[WreckitWhippet]

I am yet to see a dog exercise itself in one my large backyards. I'm still waiting for the day my kelpie will take it self for a jog around the perimeter.

you ain't seen a greyhound in action then

or Pointers. My Pointers went all day every day from the time the sun came up and they were let out, until they were locked up again.

My SBT pups self exercise, the current babies are very busy, they play a lot. My Whippets also spend time running around, even when I'm not outside with them, they chase each other and run around with things in their mouths.

My dogs are all active , even if they are out individually

ETA: Hey Razzle, I didn't know you was a girl

Edited December 19, 2010 by ReadySetGo