Here We Go Mandatory Desexing For All Pet Puppies.

[Steve]

So where is the evididence of what happened to these dogs? A couple of hundred is hardly worth punishing every dog over in case it has an accidental litter isnt it?

[Crisovar]

What bothers me the most about domestic pets in Australia is that over 100,000 of them are euthanised every year, not because they are sick, bad, or dangerous - but because they are unwanted.

Yet there are so many more being deliberately and accidentally bred to add to this amount. None of it makes sense to me.

Desexing really is the only thing that can stop this.

I sadly doubt, laws or not, that I will ever see this society getting to the point where we stop euthanising good animals simply because we have over-bred.

The BIGGEST problem is people making impulse and uninformed choices, choosing the wrong animal for their circumstances.

Be it exercise, training, or grooming requirements you have to choose the dog that fits the bill for your abilities, and circumstances, choose a high maintenance breed when you would be suited better to an easy care low activity breed and you are inviting either heartache or simply dissatisfaction. All too hard, dog ends up in the pound or shelter.

People also need to realise that not everyone including themselves will be a suitable and succesful dog owner so they may need to forget the cute puppy in the yard vision.

[Steve]

What bothers me the most about domestic pets in Australia is that over 100,000 of them are euthanised every year, not because they are sick, bad, or dangerous - but because they are unwanted.

Yet there are so many more being deliberately and accidentally bred to add to this amount. None of it makes sense to me.

Desexing really is the only thing that can stop this.

I sadly doubt, laws or not, that I will ever see this society getting to the point where we stop euthanising good animals simply because we have over-bred.

The BIGGEST problem is people making impulse and uninformed choices, choosing the wrong animal for their circumstances.

Be it exercise, training, or grooming requirements you have to choose the dog that fits the bill for your abilities, and circumstances, choose a high maintenance breed when you would be suited better to an easy care low activity breed and you are inviting either heartache or simply dissatisfaction. All too hard, dog ends up in the pound or shelter.

People also need to realise that not everyone including themselves will be a suitable and succesful dog owner so they may need to forget the cute puppy in the yard vision.

Well here's 6 of them http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=211031

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

Why not simply have a mandatory code for pet shops and leave breeders alone.

Yes but that makes too much sense, Steve.

Is it really possible to make too much sense?

If the way forward can be seen clearly, if it just shines with truth, then that is the direction we must take.

please take this religious mumbo jumbo to another forum where it wont offend people

you make no sense at all

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

What bothers me the most about domestic pets in Australia is that over 100,000 of them are euthanised every year, not because they are sick, bad, or dangerous - but because they are unwanted.

Yet there are so many more being deliberately and accidentally bred to add to this amount. None of it makes sense to me.

Desexing really is the only thing that can stop this.

I sadly doubt, laws or not, that I will ever see this society getting to the point where we stop euthanising good animals simply because we have over-bred.

The BIGGEST problem is people making impulse and uninformed choices, choosing the wrong animal for their circumstances.

Be it exercise, training, or grooming requirements you have to choose the dog that fits the bill for your abilities, and circumstances, choose a high maintenance breed when you would be suited better to an easy care low activity breed and you are inviting either heartache or simply dissatisfaction. All too hard, dog ends up in the pound or shelter.

People also need to realise that not everyone including themselves will be a suitable and succesful dog owner so they may need to forget the cute puppy in the yard vision.

Well here's 6 of them http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=211031

and this infuriates me i cannot believe any ethical rescue would allow bitches to whelp

[Tralee]

Why not simply have a mandatory code for pet shops and leave breeders alone.

Yes but that makes too much sense, Steve.

Is it really possible to make too much sense?

If the way forward can be seen clearly, if it just shines with truth, then that is the direction we must take.

please take this religious mumbo jumbo to another forum where it wont offend people

you make no sense at all

Jaxx's Buddy Posted on: 5th Dec 2010 - 9:10 am

Quote: "this is a forum where people give their views. who are you to be disgusted with what anyone says. keep you personal insults to yourself and stop your attacks on forum members when they dont agree with you" end quote.

Wise words Jaxx's Buddy. Your words.

Don't you believe in what you say?

I believe in what I say.

Purebred Enough Said

And

Educated not Medicated.

Edited December 10, 2010 by pewithers

[Fleuri]

What bothers me the most about domestic pets in Australia is that over 100,000 of them are euthanised every year, not because they are sick, bad, or dangerous - but because they are unwanted.

Yet there are so many more being deliberately and accidentally bred to add to this amount. None of it makes sense to me.

Desexing really is the only thing that can stop this.

I sadly doubt, laws or not, that I will ever see this society getting to the point where we stop euthanising good animals simply because we have over-bred.

The BIGGEST problem is people making impulse and uninformed choices, choosing the wrong animal for their circumstances.

Be it exercise, training, or grooming requirements you have to choose the dog that fits the bill for your abilities, and circumstances, choose a high maintenance breed when you would be suited better to an easy care low activity breed and you are inviting either heartache or simply dissatisfaction. All too hard, dog ends up in the pound or shelter.

People also need to realise that not everyone including themselves will be a suitable and succesful dog owner so they may need to forget the cute puppy in the yard vision.

Well here's 6 of them http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=211031

and this infuriates me i cannot believe any ethical rescue would allow bitches to whelp

I think even in rescues emotions overides common sense and logic where baby pups are concerned

Edited December 10, 2010 by Fleuri

[vetrg]

Playing devil's advocate: why in all these posts are people breeding "non health tested white fluffies" or just some person having a litter from their pet dog castigated when registered breeders of pure bred dogs should be exempt from early neutering 'cos their dogs are special?

I see registered pure bred dogs all the time with preventable (ie able to be tested for and eliminated) disease. When I encourage the owners to tell the breeder so they are aware of the issues the owners are almost always met with hostility and denial from the breeder.

I believe that early neutering would be impossible to enforce and as a vet I don't see how I could be forced to neuter pups of that age if I considered it inappropriate. If the veterinary profession does not police this it would be unenforcable and if it is anything like the docking legislation in the UK it would be impoaable to police

[OSoSwift]

I would not desex my dogs as 8 week old babies - IT just won't happen. If the average pet owners that buys a prt desexes it at 6 months great, that is my agreement. But I will not advocate or desex 8 week old babies. Personally for my own dogs they will not be desexed until they have had at least one heat, or they are 18 months.

I do dog sports with my dogs and I am worried if desexed early I may have issues with them.

I am responsible I have 2 entire dogs of opposite sexes and have not had an unplanned litter or even come close. I have had entire dogs of opposite sexes of different breeds and never had a problem. Why should I be disadvantaged because of idiots that cannot get their dogs desexed at an older approipriate age or if they wish to have a first season with them, lock them up effectivly???

We do not need more bloody laws!

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

Why not simply have a mandatory code for pet shops and leave breeders alone.

Yes but that makes too much sense, Steve.

Is it really possible to make too much sense?

If the way forward can be seen clearly, if it just shines with truth, then that is the direction we must take.

please take this religious mumbo jumbo to another forum where it wont offend people

you make no sense at all

Jaxx's Buddy Posted on: 5th Dec 2010 - 9:10 am

Quote: "this is a forum where people give their views. who are you to be disgusted with what anyone says. keep you personal insults to yourself and stop your attacks on forum members when they dont agree with you" end quote.

Wise words Jaxx's Buddy. Your words.

Don't you believe in what you say?

I believe in what I say.

Purebred Enough Said

And

Educated not Medicated.

i did not personally insult you i do not want religious crap to be sprouted at me

and quite honestly your posts make no sense...again this is not a personal insult it is a fact

[BigPaws]

If mandatory desexing as a pup becomes legislation then the kindest thing for some breeds would be extinction.

[BigPaws]

vetrq - I agree with you totally about breeders thinking they are special. I am against anyone breeding dogs for personal gain. I don't care whether they are a BYB or a Registered Breeder pretending to give a damn...they are the same in my opinion.

[Steve]

vetrq - I agree with you totally about breeders thinking they are special. I am against anyone breeding dogs for personal gain. I don't care whether they are a BYB or a Registered Breeder pretending to give a damn...they are the same in my opinion.

But who will decide where this cuts in - should a breeder breed dogs for personal loss?

I dont think Im special I think MY DOGS are special just as I think my kids are. Not because of their breed any more than my kids are because of their nationality.Its because they are mine.

For no other reason except that as an owner / breeder I am responsible for making decisions which will give them less chance of future health issues .

You cant have it both ways. On one hand we scream that we want people to be more responsible - bond with their animals get educated and give a damn about whats best for them and then ask us to sit back and follow like sheep ,do as we are told even though we know its not whats best for them to some how stop other people's dogs from being treated irresponsibly.

These decisions at government level are not made to prevent MY dog from suffering. In fact they dont care if MY dog suffers as long as other dogs which are not as special to someone else that mine are to me dont get bumped off because they are not wanted. I dont expect anyone else to think MY dog is special but its special alright and that's why it's MY job to protect it from being treated as if it is not special and that it's long term health isnt counted. My dog should not have to suffer because a bleeding heart has decided stopping un wanted litters is more important than my dog - no dog is more important or more special to me than my dog.

[asal]

vetrq - I agree with you totally about breeders thinking they are special. I am against anyone breeding dogs for personal gain. I don't care whether they are a BYB or a Registered Breeder pretending to give a damn...they are the same in my opinion.

yep thats it.

why dont u just solve your problem in one hit..... legislate no puppy can be sold for more than 100 dollars.

get rid of every single pensioner that counts on her puppy pin money.

and kiddo they are the bulk of the canine registries belive it or not.

actually it would get rid of all but opps litters wouldnt it?

Edited December 11, 2010 by asal

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

vetrq - I agree with you totally about breeders thinking they are special. I am against anyone breeding dogs for personal gain. I don't care whether they are a BYB or a Registered Breeder pretending to give a damn...they are the same in my opinion.

are you serious? so where did you get you dog from?

[asal]

vetrq - I agree with you totally about breeders thinking they are special. I am against anyone breeding dogs for personal gain. I don't care whether they are a BYB or a Registered Breeder pretending to give a damn...they are the same in my opinion.

are you serious? so where did you get you dog from?

naughty.

good question though.

[Remarkabull]

I have no problem with breeders making money from selling puppies, as long as they are doing all the right things as far as health testing and they look after their animals what's the problem with a bit of profit if you can get it.

As for desexing, I have had entire animals most of my life and have also never had an oops litter. My Dobe will not be getting desexed unless it is required for health reasons and I guarantee you that he will never father a litter oops or otherwiwse.

[raz]

vetrq - I agree with you totally about breeders thinking they are special. I am against anyone breeding dogs for personal gain. I don't care whether they are a BYB or a Registered Breeder pretending to give a damn...they are the same in my opinion.

maybe learn to read. vetrq did not say breeders think they're special.

And as for being against anyone breeding dogs for personal gain - ok so they should go bankrupt breeding dogs and be really unhappy about providing quality pups for puppy buyers. That makes a lot of sense - not.

[Souff]

I am against anyone breeding dogs for personal gain.

God forbid that any good breeders who expend their money on the best for the dogs should ever cover their costs.

Cant get more socialist thinking than that.

Any government subsidies available to dog breeders in the commune where you live BigPaws?

[OSoSwift]

vetrq - I agree with you totally about breeders thinking they are special. I am against anyone breeding dogs for personal gain. I don't care whether they are a BYB or a Registered Breeder pretending to give a damn...they are the same in my opinion.

are you serious? so where did you get you dog from?

Was wondering if your were serious also???

I am a registered breeder and I give more than just a damn.