World Champion Status?

[Enigma01au]

I know how a dog gets to Australian Champ / Grand Champ status, but what is required for World Champion Status?

[Sandra777]

I think this is a FCI award and something to do with the World show (always held in Europe so far as I know) Sorry, that wasn't very helpful!

[poodlefan]

The World Show moves around a bit (has definitely been held in South America) but is in Paris next year and Salzburg the year after.

I think a win at the World Show definitely allows you to use that title.

[Bohunt]

World Titles are won at the World Show annually. My Swedish Import has the Title (it is an FCI Award) and despite it being on his Export Pedigree, it has been removed by the VCA as they said the ANKC do not have it in their Database of titles. Bit weird as we are affiliated with the FCI and they recognise all our titles. Also had his Swedish Champion Tracking Title removed.

The problem is when you would want to send a dog back to where you got it, as the new Export Pedigree would not reflect the titles that were removed here. In my case, if he went back to his breeder (this was an option if I did not want to retire him here in Australia) who is in Norway, the title would not be restored, as he was awarded this in Sweden and is not in their system.

So don't worry about trying to get one as it won't be acknowledged here anyway.

[Enigma01au]

Thanks for the replies!

I don't think I'll be trying to get to those lofty heights , but it is interesting to know what's required.

It's disappointing that the title isn't recognised universally, I would've thought that if a dog was worthy enough to win a world championship, then it deserved to

be able to keep the title, wherever on earth it lived!

[Bohunt]

I was very upset to have it removed and people need to understand that when dogs are purchased from overseas, many are priced based on the titles they have. To have them wiped off is just awful.

[becks]

If a dog wins best dog or best bitch at the world show it wins the 'World Winner' title, often you will see WW and then the year it was won, at the start of the dogs name.

Don't know how titles such as 'euro champ' or world champ' is attained.

[brightonrock]

If a dog wins best dog or best bitch at the world show it wins the 'World Winner' title, often you will see WW and then the year it was won, at the start of the dogs name.

Don't know how titles such as 'euro champ' or world champ' is attained.

Are they different ? I mean, is WW the same as World Champion or is it a way of saying BOB or DC for the World Dog Show ?

[brightonrock]

If a dog wins best dog or best bitch at the world show it wins the 'World Winner' title, often you will see WW and then the year it was won, at the start of the dogs name.

Don't know how titles such as 'euro champ' or world champ' is attained.

Are they different ? I mean, is WW the same as World Champion or is it a way of saying BOB or DC for the World Dog Show ?

I can see from the becks post it means DC or BC. Would like to know more details about World Champion if there is such a title.

[Bohunt]

There is such a thing as an International Champion and the other is the World Winner Title, the latter only be achievable at the World Dog Show.

On a pedigree one looks like this:

Int Ch

the other:

WW-08 (if the win was in 2008)

Here is my dog on the Dogzonline profile and below how his titles were displayed overseas and it includes the ones removed:

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=40949

SVCH S N INT UCH NV-05 SV-08 WW-08 NORDV-08 Damdyke Gentil Hugel

Edited December 8, 2010 by Bohunt

[brightonrock]

I see, so using your Import as an example, he is an INT CH as this is a FCI award, but he is a WW having won a Challenge but not a World Champion as he would have had to win BIS at the World Show in 08.

Thanks for clearing that info

[alpha bet]

I can understand where the VCA is coming from with not running a World Champ on the papers - from the posts here it would appear that a World Champ Show is like any other show - just that owners of some dogs from different countries have bothered to attend. Does this mean that they had to qualify to enter i.e. they had to already have a Champion Title from their own country? Even then, we must consider that sometimes there is some variation to the standard of a breed from one country to another...... perhaps also it would be very easy to get a Champion Title in some countries (including Australia) if you have a less popular breed and just campaign around enough. At a world show we must also question who is the judge of each individual breed? are they specialists judges for that breed?

There is already confusion for new people as what a Champion (Australian/Grand) really is, without adding the International or World into the equation. Just consider how it is easy to flaunt a placing at a Royal in any advertising. Remember that a CC awarded at a Royal Show in australia is not any more prestigious than many other shows. There is no qualifying for entry into a Royal Show nor are they usually being judged by specialist in that breed. I went to the last Royal to watch some of the dogs and there were not many dogs of each age grouping to compare - and this was in many of the breeds that were exhibited on that day.

Where there is more prestige is when a dog takes a Challenge at say, an annual breed speciality show (assuming that the breed club has obtained a specialist judge). Here you would expect to see exhibitors from all over the state - or even the country - take the trouble to attend and show their dogs - hence picking up a broader range of what is available for that breed.

If you have decided to pay more for your dog for these titles that is your choice it doesnt necessarily mean that this dog is going to improve the breed in this country.

[Bohunt]

I can understand where the VCA is coming from with not running a World Champ on the papers - from the posts here it would appear that a World Champ Show is like any other show - just that owners of some dogs from different countries have bothered to attend. Does this mean that they had to qualify to enter i.e. they had to already have a Champion Title from their own country? Even then, we must consider that sometimes there is some variation to the standard of a breed from one country to another...... perhaps also it would be very easy to get a Champion Title in some countries (including Australia) if you have a less popular breed and just campaign around enough. At a world show we must also question who is the judge of each individual breed? are they specialists judges for that breed?

There is already confusion for new people as what a Champion (Australian/Grand) really is, without adding the International or World into the equation. Just consider how it is easy to flaunt a placing at a Royal in any advertising. Remember that a CC awarded at a Royal Show in australia is not any more prestigious than many other shows. There is no qualifying for entry into a Royal Show nor are they usually being judged by specialist in that breed. I went to the last Royal to watch some of the dogs and there were not many dogs of each age grouping to compare - and this was in many of the breeds that were exhibited on that day.

Where there is more prestige is when a dog takes a Challenge at say, an annual breed speciality show (assuming that the breed club has obtained a specialist judge). Here you would expect to see exhibitors from all over the state - or even the country - take the trouble to attend and show their dogs - hence picking up a broader range of what is available for that breed.

If you have decided to pay more for your dog for these titles that is your choice it doesnt necessarily mean that this dog is going to improve the breed in this country.

I suppose the point is, if a dog arrives in this country with an Export Pedigree reflecting titles that he has been awarded and we are running under the same system, they should be retained. How would we feel if a dog was exported with titles from Australia and had them removed on the basis that the breed was a smaller one here and it was achieved with 6 point challenges or didn't like the way we awarded things like Tracking etc.

I fail to see the relevance of the comment about a dog improving the breed etc and I can only speak for my own dog. He won in an enormous entry (Border Terriers have big entries overseas in many countries) and under an English Breed Specialist - one of the most revered in the breed today. Many of his progeny are current breed winners and he was an enormous winner himself. He has also had a BISS here in Australia. I fail to see that this should have ever been a consideration as to whether he kept the WW-08 title and it should be a consistent practice to honour Export Pedigrees. To add - and apologies for a bit off topic ...... I would have thought the removal of the Swedish Tracking Title was the most appalling as very few successful show dogs get this in our breed, very diificult to get and a working title. To get this they must track injured animals and it is a requirement for all hunters to have a dog with this title/certificate before they can get a gun license.

Remember that when they are removed here they are lost in the future Export Pedigree if the dog goes onto another country that would have acknowledged it.

[brightonrock]

Just consider how it is easy to flaunt a placing at a Royal in any advertising. Remember that a CC awarded at a Royal Show in australia is not any more prestigious than many other shows. There is no qualifying for entry into a Royal Show nor are they usually being judged by specialist in that breed. I went to the last Royal to watch some of the dogs and there were not many dogs of each age grouping to compare - and this was in many of the breeds that were exhibited on that day.

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Yes, the General Public are most impressed if you say your dog got BOB at Melbourne Royal.

[becks]

I can understand where the VCA is coming from with not running a World Champ on the papers - from the posts here it would appear that a World Champ Show is like any other show - just that owners of some dogs from different countries have bothered to attend. Does this mean that they had to qualify to enter i.e. they had to already have a Champion Title from their own country? Even then, we must consider that sometimes there is some variation to the standard of a breed from one country to another...... perhaps also it would be very easy to get a Champion Title in some countries (including Australia) if you have a less popular breed and just campaign around enough. At a world show we must also question who is the judge of each individual breed? are they specialists judges for that breed?

There is already confusion for new people as what a Champion (Australian/Grand) really is, without adding the International or World into the equation. Just consider how it is easy to flaunt a placing at a Royal in any advertising. Remember that a CC awarded at a Royal Show in australia is not any more prestigious than many other shows. There is no qualifying for entry into a Royal Show nor are they usually being judged by specialist in that breed. I went to the last Royal to watch some of the dogs and there were not many dogs of each age grouping to compare - and this was in many of the breeds that were exhibited on that day.

Where there is more prestige is when a dog takes a Challenge at say, an annual breed speciality show (assuming that the breed club has obtained a specialist judge). Here you would expect to see exhibitors from all over the state - or even the country - take the trouble to attend and show their dogs - hence picking up a broader range of what is available for that breed.

If you have decided to pay more for your dog for these titles that is your choice it doesnt necessarily mean that this dog is going to improve the breed in this country.

Just to add to confusion, the Int CH is also often written Inter CH and that has now been changed to CIB (certificate of international beauty). This title is won by the dog becoming a champion in 4 different countries (unless their home country has an exception to this eg Iceland as they have a 1 month quarentine to get the dog into the country and I think Ireland still has the exception too.)

The WW show can be entered by anyone, but remember dogs are graded before they are placed under the FCI system, so a poor example of the breed wouldn't get that far - but of course each judge has their own interpretation of the breed standard.

The WW show is more then just 'another dog show', it is the one where breeders and exhibitors want to be seen to do well at, the class entries are much higher, with dogs competing from many countries. There are 4 titles on offer WW for dog and bitch and then JWW for the winners of junior dog/bitch plus it is possible to win junior or adult champion titles as normal. WW (and euro winner) shows are generally held with breed speciality shows the day before or after and sometimes other shows will be held in the week before the WW show, to encourage exhibitors to make the journey. It is like most big shows, with a mix of breed specialists and top all rounder judges. before you knock how much 'prestige' comes from a WW title, go and have a look at the results online and see how many entries there are, how many champions etc etc.

[becks]

http://www.worlddogshow2010.dk/?GB/Results.aspx that is for this years show in Denmark, where docked and cropped dogs could not be shown, so a lower entry in those breeds.

[becks]

http://www.hundeweb.dk/dkk/public/openInde...on_locale=en-en that link maybe better to see all the results

[Lowenhart]

Just to add to confusion, the Int CH is also often written Inter CH and that has now been changed to CIB (certificate of international beauty). This title is won by the dog becoming a champion in 4 different countries (unless their home country has an exception to this eg Iceland as they have a 1 month quarentine to get the dog into the country and I think Ireland still has the exception too.)

The WW show can be entered by anyone, but remember dogs are graded before they are placed under the FCI system, so a poor example of the breed wouldn't get that far - but of course each judge has their own interpretation of the breed standard.

The WW show is more then just 'another dog show', it is the one where breeders and exhibitors want to be seen to do well at, the class entries are much higher, with dogs competing from many countries. There are 4 titles on offer WW for dog and bitch and then JWW for the winners of junior dog/bitch plus it is possible to win junior or adult champion titles as normal. WW (and euro winner) shows are generally held with breed speciality shows the day before or after and sometimes other shows will be held in the week before the WW show, to encourage exhibitors to make the journey. It is like most big shows, with a mix of breed specialists and top all rounder judges. before you knock how much 'prestige' comes from a WW title, go and have a look at the results online and see how many entries there are, how many champions etc etc.

The FCI's Int Ch (now CIB) is not won by titling in 4 different countries but rather by gaining a CACIB (a special CC awarded at designated "International" shows) at 4 shows in 3 countries with a minimum of 1 year 1 day between first and last CACIB.

I have bred 2 International Champions, co-owning one of them.

They have special rules for countries like Japan, Ireland, Iceland etc whose dogs can't travel easily.

The World Show is a big deal in my books. Having been to one, the entries for the breed was huge and dogs came from all over to compete. In some ways I'd say competition was tougher than Crufts used to be before the pet passport scheme.

[becks]

oops, shouldn't write late at night! I do know it is 4 CACIBs not 4 titles!

I also forgot to mention the veterans at the WW show also get a title - VWW - year for winning the VB or VD class, and over there veterans are 8 years and above.

I'm hoping to go to the WW show in Paris next year, should be interesting to compare it to Crufts! It'll be wierd seeing my breeds all split by colour though!

[Lowenhart]

oops, shouldn't write late at night! I do know it is 4 CACIBs not 4 titles!

I also forgot to mention the veterans at the WW show also get a title - VWW - year for winning the VB or VD class, and over there veterans are 8 years and above.

I'm hoping to go to the WW show in Paris next year, should be interesting to compare it to Crufts! It'll be wierd seeing my breeds all split by colour though!

I had a male win the VWW title this year :

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=297

His grandson was the JrWW.

It is weird seeing breeds split but it's a great experience. You should definately go.