FHRP Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) Sounds great TSD I went out to rubyroo's place today and did some training with my 'rent-an-all-age-dog' It was lovely to run a ready trained dog Although I found out that several of my verbal cue's are different to his owners, poor dog had to cope with both at times He even got called Polo The star of the day was a young working Springer though, she did some lovely work, even on the mark that all other dogs much more experienced managed to stuff up Edited April 2, 2011 by FHRP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Sounds great TSD I went out to rubyroo's place today and did some training with my 'rent-an-all-age-dog' It was lovely to run a ready trained dog Although I found out that several of my verbal cue's are different to his owners, poor dog had to cope with both at times He even got called Polo The star of the day was a young working Springer though, she did some lovely work, even on the mark that all other dogs much more experienced managed to stuff up Was Em in Canberra? I was reading in a Brittany book that pointing/UG field trial dogs should not be taught to retrieve birds (bumpers yes but just not birds) until they are solid on the point, as to not confuse them.... thoughts FHRP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHRP Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Was Em in Canberra? No, but I'm sure it was a relative :D I was reading in a Brittany book that pointing/UG field trial dogs should not be taught to retrieve birds (bumpers yes but just not birds) until they are solid on the point, as to not confuse them.... thoughts FHRP? I've not heard that, but I do know that my Vizsla wouldn't point planted pigeons when we were trying to get him ready for the UG test. A field trialer did suggest it was because he'd been retrieving them at Retrieving trials for several years already. He did go on to point wild quail, and then the caged birds in the UG. However, Polo was retrieving birds for a couple of years before I did any 'serious' pointing work with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Was Em in Canberra? :D No, but I'm sure it was a relative I was reading in a Brittany book that pointing/UG field trial dogs should not be taught to retrieve birds (bumpers yes but just not birds) until they are solid on the point, as to not confuse them.... thoughts FHRP? I've not heard that, but I do know that my Vizsla wouldn't point planted pigeons when we were trying to get him ready for the UG test. A field trialer did suggest it was because he'd been retrieving them at Retrieving trials for several years already. He did go on to point wild quail, and then the caged birds in the UG. However, Polo was retrieving birds for a couple of years before I did any 'serious' pointing work with him. Thanks FHRP, it's some food for thought for me:thumbsup: I am really lucky in that once the weather cools down I will be going to field training sessions and field trials, so I will get to figure out what is going on before I get the pup :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Been taking my dog to retrieving classes for the last 4 weeks and i must say that he shows no potential at all. He will do it when we train on our own but not in the group. He will for his first turn and after that he is over it. Plus his hold is no better after 4 weeks of me training it. I blame myself as he obviously has no idea about what i want him to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubyroo Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 What a great weekend!! Thanks to FHRP and company for making the trip out, we had a fantastic time, and as always way too much homework!! Boy this restricted training aint easy. I am just blown away with the work the Springers in NSW are doing, they are amazing to watch, the little rabbit definately out did the older dogs. Cant wait to see some photos Sounds like Em is training nicely and having fun TSD!! Hang in there Mason2009 it can take alot of patience before the light goes on, can you have some one on one with the instructor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Rubyroo i train on a monday with a lady who competes in trials and she helps me quite a bit. My dog is on meds atm so i think thats half the issue plus he just has no drive so its a bit of a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 RV, that is too funny Yes, probably was a relative but, my goodness! The more I train the more I realise how far we are away from trialling FHRP - sounds like a wonderful experience and opportunity! rubyroo - glad you also had a good time! Great to hear about the Springers doing well too. Em often reminds me of a rabbit....although right now she is a very tired little rabbit after spending all day at an agility trial with Zig and I - she had HUGE zoomies with another working Springer pup, did a few drills and spent the rest of the day being cuddled by everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubyroo Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 RV, that is too funny Yes, probably was a relative but, my goodness! The more I train the more I realise how far we are away from trialling FHRP - sounds like a wonderful experience and opportunity! rubyroo - glad you also had a good time! Great to hear about the Springers doing well too. Em often reminds me of a rabbit....although right now she is a very tired little rabbit after spending all day at an agility trial with Zig and I - she had HUGE zoomies with another working Springer pup, did a few drills and spent the rest of the day being cuddled by everyone TSD, the sooner you start the more you get to learn, when is your first trial? My poor boy was just exhausted after yesterday mornings workout!! He couldnt even pull himself out of bed to sit by the BBQ, he always makes sure nothing falls off Mason2009, Im not really experienced enough to point you in the right direction, sorry. How old is your dog? Is he retrieving mad when not on the meds? does anything retrievable excite him? If he is only keen for 1 retrieve could it be a lack of commitment? My dog has this problem at times but has got alot better due to training. There are some brilliant training DVDs, I really like 'Fowl Dawgs' (3 part series') something like that may help? Anyone else have some ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 rubyroo - she's only 7 months and I need to do way more marking practice with her yet. I think also her resilliance will improve with a bit more maturity too from what I can gather on the breed. What age are everyone's dogs???? Would be interesting from a training perspective. Mason - rr asked all the questions I came back into this thread to ask! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Has anyone heard when there will be a RAT in Victoria? Or who I can ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Has anyone heard when there will be a RAT in Victoria? Or who I can ask? I heard some chatter about the Springer club holding one at the end of May. If I can I will offer to steward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayreovi Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Cool, hope they do, I will be interested in doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Cool, hope they do, I will be interested in doing it I will definitely post in here if I hear anything definite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fetchindawgs Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Mason, Not every gundog is meant for retrieving competition. But, saying that, most have the time of their life once they get out to a comp. The excitement of the guns, the birds, the atmosphere and the tension of new handlers just gets the adrenalin going. Also, some dogs in training sessions, are not as switched on as in trials. I would just keep on plugging at it and try some pigeon wings on your dummies, which might excite him more. Try not to be tense yourself, as this transmits to your dog. In regards to his dropping the dummy on his return, do you pick it up ? or do you make him pick it up and bring it to you ? More fetch and hold work on lead is obviously needed I think. Also heel him around with a dummy in his mouth, and not just in your backyard, but anywhere you can do it. He must hold the dummy whilst heeling with you and not release it until commanded. Reinforcing the hold is the answer to your problem (it is a common one). Start off with short holds of the dummy, (you can gently tap under his bottom jaw as he is holding & reinforce your "hold" command whilst doing this exercise). Then put your hand on the dummy and give him your release command and quietly praise. No throws !!!!! Gradually increase the length of the hold. If he does drop the dummy out of his mouth, just pick it up without saying anything to him and gently replace it in his mouth, then reinforce your voice command again quietly. Do this hold exercise with him 4 -5 times each session. I must warn you that most dogs do not find the above exercise fun, or stimulating, and typically, want to get on with the good stuff of retrieving, but you must be diligent in your work on this, and he calm and quiet, even if it all goes wrong at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHRP Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 One of the best things about Retrieving training and trialing IMO is being able to enjoy the Australian countryside. This is what we got to enjoy on a beautiful Autumn weekend, roobyroo is lucky enough to have this view on her front step. The little Springer that showed us all up rubyroo's Stinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Beautiful photos - thank you FHRP That little Springer definitely looks like a relative of Em's - the coat and body type really remind me of dogs from her breeder. Do you know how old the dog is? I'm really interested in the ages of dogs vs level of training so I have a vague idea of what to expect in terms of maturity. Stinger looks like he's having a hoot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHRP Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Scout the ESS is 18 months old and from the same breeder as Em. To answer your earlier question about ages of dogs, Polo will be four this month. My doG where has that time gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Thanks Fetchingdawgs, i train with another lady who does retrieving and lives near me, we are working on his hold daily as its something he really needs to learn ( i feel) He just seems to not understand that i need him to hold it in his mluth and keep it there! I am going to persist with this as even if i dont compete in retrieving i will need to teach dumbell for open obedience soon anyway!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Scout the ESS is 18 months old and from the same breeder as Em.To answer your earlier question about ages of dogs, Polo will be four this month. My doG where has that time gone! Thanks for the info - just love the serious look of concentration on his face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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