Moselle Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Jo, you have forgotten about the registered breeder who can afford the acres and the kennels, which we could make happen if we needed to but would walk away because raising pups in kennels away from the house, is not how we would choose to do so.We do not feel it's the best way to bring up a puppy and meet its early and ongoing needs. I take great pride in raising the pups in the home and sending out happy well adjusted babies, that leave home and tackle the world without a second thought. I truly do not think I could achieve this and provide puppy buyers with the social and outgoing creatures that I do now, if I didn't have them in the house, being raised alongside the other dogs and my family. I have 5 bitches and two dogs, for some that's reached the magical line in the sand that would see me shut down. That is a sad state of events RSG. I know that I would much much prefer to buy a pup that was raised as part of the family and NOT in kennels !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 DOL's at it again.. What do you mean PE?? DOLers are again pointing out the flaws in the RSPCA's work. Some would rather we didnt do that. Souff Souff; you don't need to answer posts for me on my behalf, anyone would tihnk you like seeing your sig. I meant that as soon as The Ark posted something good, she got shut down. I'm entitled to my opinion and I'm looking at the big picture. If only it was as straight forward as shutting down the puppy farmers, but it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souff Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I know that in Gippsland, there is a breeder that breeds LARGE SCALE and I mean HUMONGOUS....to the tune of 600 dogs, kept in small cages.....surely they WILL be affected and esp. under the LIberal party.....the code of practice goes to say that they stand to be fined around $30,000 which is vastly more than the current fine. I just shudder with the thought that such factories exist! 600 dogs..... Have you been there and counted them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Jo, you have forgotten about the registered breeder who can afford the acres and the kennels, which we could make happen if we needed to but would walk away because raising pups in kennels away from the house, is not how we would choose to do so.We do not feel it's the best way to bring up a puppy and meet its early and ongoing needs. I take great pride in raising the pups in the home and sending out happy well adjusted babies, that leave home and tackle the world without a second thought. I truly do not think I could achieve this and provide puppy buyers with the social and outgoing creatures that I do now, if I didn't have them in the house, being raised alongside the other dogs and my family. I have 5 bitches and two dogs, for some that's reached the magical line in the sand that would see me shut down. That is a sad state of events RSG. I know that I would much much prefer to buy a pup that was raised as part of the family and NOT in kennels !!!!! Give the RSPCA the powers to police the planning laws and that's what they want. They can shut down every one of the registered breeders, who has their dogs living as we do. We're sitting ducks and easy targets, we're the one's who chip and register our dogs, are members of state bodies, register all progeny and can be tracked down in an instant via CAR or the CC's database. Meanwhile life goes on for the back yard breeders and the puppy farmers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Thanks for that explanation. Just one minor thing.....in suburbia, isn't there a rule that people are not allowed to own more than a couple of dogs anyway? I was under the impression that councils did not allow more than a certain number of dogs anyway, even with a permit Is it going to be harder to keep the number of dogs under wraps given that Dogs Vic will disclose such info??? NSW there is no limit, and in many places you can apply to have more adult dogs so you you meet the three bitches quite easily. I know that in Gippsland, there is a breeder that breeds LARGE SCALE and I mean HUMONGOUS....to the tune of 600 dogs, kept in small cages.....surely they WILL be affected and esp. under the LIberal party.....the code of practice goes to say that they stand to be fined around $30,000 which is vastly more than the current fine. I just shudder with the thought that such factories exist! That farmer will just use his money to build kennels instead. He'll then be untouchable. Yes, I did forget to include the breeder who can afford kennels, but refuse to breed like that. I would never let a bitch whelp in kennels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moselle Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I know that in Gippsland, there is a breeder that breeds LARGE SCALE and I mean HUMONGOUS....to the tune of 600 dogs, kept in small cages.....surely they WILL be affected and esp. under the LIberal party.....the code of practice goes to say that they stand to be fined around $30,000 which is vastly more than the current fine. I just shudder with the thought that such factories exist! 600 dogs..... Have you been there and counted them? Spoke just a moment ago to someone in the RSPCA, he mentioned this particular puppy farmer and told me the figure. Never heard of it until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 DOL's at it again.. What do you mean PE?? DOLers are again pointing out the flaws in the RSPCA's work. Some would rather we didnt do that. Souff Souff; you don't need to answer posts for me on my behalf, anyone would tihnk you like seeing your sig. ;) I meant that as soon as The Ark posted something good, she got shut down. All rightie then! I understood what you meant from your post, Souffle. Maybe your keyboard is set to some secret language and only some Dolers can interpret it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souff Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I know that in Gippsland, there is a breeder that breeds LARGE SCALE and I mean HUMONGOUS....to the tune of 600 dogs, kept in small cages.....surely they WILL be affected and esp. under the LIberal party.....the code of practice goes to say that they stand to be fined around $30,000 which is vastly more than the current fine. I just shudder with the thought that such factories exist! 600 dogs..... Have you been there and counted them? Spoke just a moment ago to someone in the RSPCA, he mentioned this particular puppy farmer and told me the figure. Never heard of it until now. Well then it is a good idea to preface your statement with something like: "I was told by the RSPCA that ....... " 100 dogs is outrageous and when raids have been done on puppy farms that had around 100 tiny dogs it took a convoy of trucks from a couple of states to take the dogs away. 600 dogs? Just a tad over the top methinks. Souff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souff Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I understood what you meant from your post, Souffle. Maybe your keyboard is set to some secret language and only some Dolers can interpret it Shhhhhhh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I understood what you meant from your post, Souffle. Maybe your keyboard is set to some secret language and only some Dolers can interpret it :D Shhhhhhh! ;) For most it appears in code or simply as babble There's a select few that get'ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moselle Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) DOL's at it again.. What do you mean PE?? DOLers are again pointing out the flaws in the RSPCA's work. Some would rather we didnt do that. Souff Souff; you don't need to answer posts for me on my behalf, anyone would tihnk you like seeing your sig. ;) I meant that as soon as The Ark posted something good, she got shut down. All rightie then! I understood what you meant from your post, Souffle. Maybe your keyboard is set to some secret language and only some Dolers can interpret it Edited November 30, 2010 by Moselle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) I understood what you meant from your post, Souffle. Maybe your keyboard is set to some secret language and only some Dolers can interpret it :D Shhhhhhh! ;) For most it appears in code or simply as babble There's a select few that get'ya Only the select crowd understand the Souffle. and no point hitting edit after writing some insulting crap, Moselle. You really need to take a hike. Edited November 30, 2010 by raz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souff Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Oh FFS Souff, go and chew on a piece of timber, preferably of the treated pine variety, your beak is sharp enough. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souff Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Oh dear, I am still mopping up the tears here. Better go and feed some of the 600 ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moselle Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I understood what you meant from your post, Souffle. Maybe your keyboard is set to some secret language and only some Dolers can interpret it Shhhhhhh! :D For most it appears in code or simply as babble There's a select few that get'ya ;) Only the select crowd understand the Souffle. and no point hitting edit after writing some insulting crap, Moselle. You really need to take a hike. You are so full of it, Raz, lol. Who started the sarcasm but you and yet you're telling me that I need to take a hike? Practice what you preach and go and take a hike yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moselle Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) Oh FFS Souff, go and chew on a piece of timber, preferably of the treated pine variety, your beak is sharp enough. :D :( ;) OOps, my bad....that post was directed at none other than........Raz, you know - the one that tells me to take a hike yet forever quotes my comments and then responds with typical sarcasm. Edited November 30, 2010 by Moselle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moselle Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I understood what you meant from your post, Souffle. Maybe your keyboard is set to some secret language and only some Dolers can interpret it :D Shhhhhhh! ;) For most it appears in code or simply as babble There's a select few that get'ya Only the select crowd understand the Souffle. and no point hitting edit after writing some insulting crap, Moselle. You really need to take a hike. The only reason that I hit the edit button is because I realised that I had quoted the wrong person and I was about to quote you but instead got interrupted by someone at the door so I didn't complete it but had intended to come back later in order to do so. I don't think I was being insulting besides which.....wasn't it you (as per usual) that started it all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Mita you seem to think that the ethical registered breeders of QLD will have nothing to fear from the RSPCA.I think they are all in for a whole lot of heartache and a license just makes you a sitting duck. We'll have to agree to disagree on this, RSG. I've set my case on facts. The pilot licensing program in the Gold Coast area is moderate but has some teeth & was a cooperative production. All stakeholders are fine with it, in practice. RSPCA Qld's anti-puppy farming marterial picks up the same rationale & methods. Not surprising, the RSPCA was in the planning group...so was Dogs Qld. So I support it. The RSPCA Qld material also picks up the Qld research that nailed 2 of the essential features which 'flag' puppy-farming. Lack of socialisation and uncontrolled breeding. Registered breeders in Qld came out exceptionally well in not displaying these. So the RSPCA Qld material points out that registered breeders have a code of ethics to guide what they do. In reality, tho', some may not follow them. The biggest pity is that Dogs Qld doesn't pick up on this & do some Public Relations. The strength is in their hand...so use it. People in Qld tend to know what puppy farms are, as opposed to 'normal' breeding. Raids & seizures are publicised. I've been involved with some poor little mites rescued from one of the worst. The geography in this state lends itself to 'farmers' setting up in poor agricultural land, away from ready scrutiny. Appalling conditions. Yielding huge hauls of horribly distressed & psychologically and physically damaged dogs and puppies. This is light years away from the regular registered breeder who follows the excellent ethical guidelines set out by Dogs Qld. All stake holders are fine with it in practice / - I don't think so Mita. That is not what we are hearing AT all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Oh FFS Souff, go and chew on a piece of timber, preferably of the treated pine variety, your beak is sharp enough. :D :( ;) OOps, my bad....that post was directed at none other than........Raz, you know - the one that tells me to take a hike yet forever quotes my comments and then responds with typical sarcasm. Stop chasing me all over this forum...please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moselle Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Oh FFS Souff, go and chew on a piece of timber, preferably of the treated pine variety, your beak is sharp enough. :rofl: :D :D OOps, my bad....that post was directed at none other than........Raz, you know - the one that tells me to take a hike yet forever quotes my comments and then responds with typical sarcasm. Stop chasing me all over this forum...please NO, YOU stop harassing me, okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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