The Ark Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I was just doing my weekly browse of a certain online animal classified site and there is now a big RSPCA ad at the top advertising "closepuppyfactories.org". It is quite eyecatching as it has changing photos & text fading in and out all the time. I know we do a lot of RSPCA-bashing on here, but I was pleased to see that ad looming at the top of the screen - hopefully at least some people will notice it and ask questions of puppy advertisers. Just a few would be better than nothing....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) All well and good except that the RSPCA want to shut the lot of us down, not just those farming puppies... but I guess that doesn't matter, as long as the puppy farms are gone right ? ETA: they'll just blindly sign whatever the RSPCA sticks infront of their noses. Edited November 30, 2010 by ReadySetGo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ark Posted November 30, 2010 Author Share Posted November 30, 2010 Yeah I knew we'd go down this path...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Yeah I knew we'd go down this path...... I make no apologies. The RSPCA's current campaign of shut down the puppy farmer, isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to those sheds operating with council approval. The one's that are going to be shut down are the registered breeders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ark Posted November 30, 2010 Author Share Posted November 30, 2010 I'm not so much applauding the RSPCA's campaign as just being pleased to see SOMETHING at the top of the screen that might make one or two puppy buyers think twice about where they are buying their pup from. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I'm not so much applauding the RSPCA's campaign as just being pleased to see SOMETHING at the top of the screen that might make one or two puppy buyers think twice about where they are buying their pup from. That's all. No it doesnt. People buying from petshops and from online ads dont think about where the mass produced puppies are coming from. It's not going to do a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ark Posted November 30, 2010 Author Share Posted November 30, 2010 Okay. Much better we do nothing then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) Okay. Much better we do nothing then. I did not say that. I just dont think an rspca ad at the top of a page will make the average Joe put two and two together. Gee you're reactive. Why start a thread if you're just going to get all sarcastic everytime someone responds with a differing opinion. Edited November 30, 2010 by raz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I know we do a lot of RSPCA-bashing on here, but I was pleased to see that ad looming at the top of the screen - hopefully at least some people will notice it and ask questions of puppy advertisers. Just a few would be better than nothing....... Are you using 'we' as the royal plural, or do you believe you can speak for everyone? Wrong, on the latter. I don't know about the former. Seriously, that's a good point about the need to caution re online sales. Couple years back, one of the US states achieved good bipartisan accord to prevent puppy-farmers selling their wares. But the hardest one to do anything about, proved to be online ads coming from other states, because obviously they were coming from different legal contexts. The two main (bipartisan) legislators were working to figure out how to deal with this, when they were voted out. So cautionary counter-ads, seem one good way to warn puppy-buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalathebear Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) No it doesnt. People buying from petshops and from online ads dont think about where the mass produced puppies are coming from. It's not going to do a thing. RSPCA whether people like the organisation or not has far more of an audience and message 'reach' than a lot of organisations so a message coming from them actually does 'mean' something. The Ordinary Person recognises the RSPCA 'brand', advertisements and the RSPCA is actually a first stop for many people I know when they want to get a pet. It's a part of the general community in a way that a lot of other organisations (including DOL are not) so a message from them actually does have a degree of persuasiveness that another org might not even just by virtue of the fact that it has a wider audience. Of course we could all just continue to gripe and grumble about it here on DOL and sooner or later the Immense Power of our Minds and Collective Discontent will inevitably shift and manipulate the Jungian Collective Unconscious thereby precipitating an anti-BYB/Puppy Farm Zeitgeist among the Masses by Osmosis ... Ommmm ... I can feel it happening now ... Or not ... Edited November 30, 2010 by koalathebear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ark Posted November 30, 2010 Author Share Posted November 30, 2010 Okay. Much better we do nothing then. I did not say that. I just dont think an rspca ad at the top of a page will make the average Joe put two and two together. Gee you're reactive. Why start a thread if you're just going to get all sarcastic everytime someone responds with a differing opinion. Sorry raz - it's just that we seem so busy on here bagging things while the average Joe isn't a part of any of our discussions so is none the wiser about the issues we discuss. All our brilliant ideas on here count for nothing in the right-here-right-now, so at least this ad is SOMETHING out there right now, while we're all still just talking about what to do, so I don't think that can possibly be all bad. And I understand the worry that reputable breeders are getting tarred with the same brush as puppy farmers (I am a "breeder" myself), but I think if the public just starts to ask the right questions we will eventually shine through. And yes, I am reactive - just ask my husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ark Posted November 30, 2010 Author Share Posted November 30, 2010 No it doesnt. People buying from petshops and from online ads dont think about where the mass produced puppies are coming from. It's not going to do a thing. RSPCA whether people like the organisation or not has far more of an audience and message 'reach' than a lot of organisations so a message coming from them actually does 'mean' something. The Ordinary Person recognises the RSPCA 'brand', advertisements and the RSPCA is actually a first stop for many people I know when they want to get a pet. It's a part of the general community in a way that a lot of other organisations (including DOL are not) so a message from them actually does have a degree of persuasiveness that another org might not even just by virtue of the fact that it has a wider audience. Of course we could all just continue to gripe and grumble about it here on DOL and sooner or later the power of our minds and Collective Discontent will inevitably shift and manipulate the Jungian Collective Unconscious thereby precipitating an anti-BYB/Puppy Farm Zeitgeist among the Masses by Osmosis ... Ommmm ... I can feel it happening now ... Or not ... I missed this while I was busy with my own lengthy reply. Well said, koalathebear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Of course we could all just continue to gripe and grumble about it here on DOL and sooner or later the power of our minds and Collective Discontent will inevitably shift and manipulate the Jungian Collective Unconscious thereby precipitating an anti-BYB Zeitgeist among the Masses by Osmosis ...Or not ... I love this. Blooming brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adza Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) I don't think it's a bad thing either, at least it's trying to get the message out there re puppy farms I don't see any around at all or anywhere for that matter except on TV once in a blue moon. Well said KTB Edited November 30, 2010 by adza_baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Sorry raz - it's just that we seem so busy on here bagging things while the average Joe isn't a part of any of our discussions so is none the wiser about the issues we discuss. All our brilliant ideas on here count for nothing in the right-here-right-now, so at least this ad is SOMETHING out there right now, while we're all still just talking about what to do, so I don't think that can possibly be all bad. And I understand the worry that reputable breeders are getting tarred with the same brush as puppy farmers (I am a "breeder" myself), but I think if the public just starts to ask the right questions we will eventually shine through. No problem, Ark, and while something is better than nothing, I still dont think the average Joe will put two and two together. I'm not saying they' re stupid nor was I bagging the RSPCA (this time), I was simply saying I dont think that was money (your money) well spent- just that when someone wants a puppy and they want it now, an ad like that wont make much of a difference, and while you say the average Joe isnt part of our discussion here on dogzonline - yes he is. Average Joe is very much a part of the discussions here on dogzonline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalathebear Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 (edited) I wasn't trying to be disingenuous. A lot of the discussions on DOL and on other similar fora are quite circular in the sense that (frequently, of course not always) they're really preaching to the converted. The RSPCA has the ability to reach the unconverted and whether we like it or not, as an organisation it has credibility and standing that other organisations are yet to attain ... The fact that there are elements of the RSPCA that people do not agree should not detract from an anti-puppy farm message that technically speaking is consistent with what we believe as well i.e. that we are anti-puppy farm. The rationale of the antipathy expressed above only works if it's premised on the argument of: "Get out of my corner RSPCA, you're making me look bad?" but then that's like saying: "I believe it's wrong to hurt dogs" "I don't like Person X because of Reasons XYZ". "Person X believes that it's wrong to hurt dogs" "Because I don't like Person X, their assertion is therefore of limited validity." Also, Some Average Joes are a part of DOL. Lots of people come here after they've already got their dog, though. I also know a lot of Average Joes and they are educated people but some of them don't want to deal with waiting forever for a dog from a breeder. From personal experience, I know what a long process it was contacting breeders, talking to them and sorting out what was best for us. It was a lot of hard work and definitely worth it - but it's hard to convince the average person of that ... For the anti-puppy farm message to get out, it needs to via more mainstream media than a special interest like DOL. Edited November 30, 2010 by koalathebear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Here's how it goes... rspca ad - puppy farms are bad, close them down puppy buyer/general public - yes, I agree how can we close them? rspca - give us more power to do so and we will puppy buyer/general public - ok, I'll support your new laws rspca gets their proposal through, which includes licensing of breeders result - large scale breeders with money upgrade, sell even more pups and now have a license to do so, registered breeders give up, can't afford to comply with new laws which can only be followed by those with money, i.e. those who make big bucks from puppies So in effect, those ads are contributing to the extinction of registered breeders and the new era of puppy super farms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Here's how it goes...rspca ad - puppy farms are bad, close them down puppy buyer/general public - yes, I agree how can we close them? rspca - give us more power to do so and we will puppy buyer/general public - ok, I'll support your new laws rspca gets their proposal through, which includes licensing of breeders result - large scale breeders with money upgrade, sell even more pups and now have a license to do so, registered breeders give up, can't afford to comply with new laws which can only be followed by those with money, i.e. those who make big bucks from puppies So in effect, those ads are contributing to the extinction of registered breeders and the new era of puppy super farms. in a nutshell yes, that's how it's going to play out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busterdog Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 All well and good except that the RSPCA want to shut the lot of us down, not just those farming puppies... but I guess that doesn't matter, as long as the puppy farms are gone right ?ETA: they'll just blindly sign whatever the RSPCA sticks infront of their noses. I'm a newbie here, but could someone explain to me how the RSPCA could possibly shut down a reputable ethical breeder? They can only take action on the basis of animal cruelty, they have no other legal avenues, and if you are an ethical, responsible breeder, you surely have nothing to fear? If the RSPCA has shown an interst in your operation, they could only do so if they had reason to do so???? What would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ark Posted November 30, 2010 Author Share Posted November 30, 2010 Here's how it goes...rspca ad - puppy farms are bad, close them down puppy buyer/general public - yes, I agree how can we close them? rspca - give us more power to do so and we will puppy buyer/general public - ok, I'll support your new laws rspca gets their proposal through, which includes licensing of breeders result - large scale breeders with money upgrade, sell even more pups and now have a license to do so, registered breeders give up, can't afford to comply with new laws which can only be followed by those with money, i.e. those who make big bucks from puppies So in effect, those ads are contributing to the extinction of registered breeders and the new era of puppy super farms. Okay, I see the danger, sure - but why don't we (the reputable breeders, the canine councils) have ads up there instead extolling the virtues of supporting reputable breeders? We don't. All we can manage is to talk about it amongst ourselves and while I know "ourselves" on DOL includes many non-breeders and dog-loving members of the general public there are still many more who don't know DOL exists and so therefore don't have the benefit of our "in-house" discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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