Steve Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 http://www.vic.alp.org.au/news-events-medi...animal-welface/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) ;) Crap. Saying "NO" to Labor here. Edited November 25, 2010 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moselle Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) You beat me to it, Steve.....I was actually thinking of asking you, in particular, if you could provide more info pertaining to the elections as so far as pet ownership is concerned. Thank you for the link....it has certainly answered my question! No labor party for moi!!! If there was no such thing as corruption I would have been all for the RSPCA, I would have celebrated the idea of the RSPCA being given more powers but unfortunately the world being what it is, it would be akin to play russian roulette. Edited November 25, 2010 by Moselle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Di* Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 You beat me to it, Steve.....I was actually thinking of asking you, in particular, if you could provide more info pertaining to the elections as so far as pet ownership is concerned. Thank you for the link....it has certainly answered my question! No labor party for moi!!! OK, I'm dumb. What are your specific concerns with the ALP blurb? D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tralee Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Steve According to the Greens, Victoria is now a Green State. Won't be long before the other States are too. Big banks, big governments, big militaries. My gut hurts. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikesPuppy Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Sex Party for me this year. Far out. I feel ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Well, I'm going to take a punt. I met with Michelle Frazer who is the Liberal representative in my electorate (Narre Warren North). Ok, so I've heard promises before and seen zillions of them broken, and I know that there's the "I'll say anything to get your vote" element that goes with pre-election times, but I quite liked Michelle and she has said that she is open to our concerns being voiced; that she doesn't just pay lip service - something that she herself hates; and that where she can she will support us (our discussion being based on some of these stupid laws that have been pushed through). I don't have a crystal ball. Wish I did. But I'm going to run with the hope that I have that there is someone inside politics who is reasonable; who still uses common sense; and who is fair, just and sincere. I truly hope I'm not being unrealistic. I hope Michelle is the person she portrayed to me the other day. I'm willing to give her the chance to show me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazzapug Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 What about the Country Alliance...for us country folk....will have to google them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 This was a copy/paste of an email I sent to Michelle, which led to us meeting up. It is too close to election date, but can't hurt to send it to your representative to see what he/she has to say. Dear xxxI note you are standing as a candidate for the Liberal Party in the xxx sector in the imminent elections. I live within that electorate and am deliberating who to vote for this year. All my life I have voted xxx, but feel as though I’m in a quandary this time around. A Bill was proposed by the Labor Party recently. It went through the usual Parliamentary process and there were many letters sent in to all parties from a good range of the public sector, objecting to the laws and pointing out the very good reasons for the objections as well as asking many many questions, none of which have been, to my knowledge, answered. At Parliamentary debate the Liberal/Nation Party representatives told Parliament that the laws within the Bill were flawed but that neither Libs or Nats would be opposing them. Do you think that is good and sufficient representation by our Liberal and/or National Party representatives? I look forward to receiving your urgent response and this will assist me in determining whether faith in the Liberal Party is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moselle Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 What about the Country Alliance...for us country folk....will have to google them. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMaddy Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Ok so correct me if I'm wrong, but an ad I heard on the radio seemed to imply that Country Alliance are the ones who want to continue practices such as live export and there was something else I didn't agree with. While I understand it does create jobs, surely there's a better way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moselle Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Ok so correct me if I'm wrong, but an ad I heard on the radio seemed to imply that Country Alliance are the ones who want to continue practices such as live export and there was something else I didn't agree with. While I understand it does create jobs, surely there's a better way. I quickly read Country Alliance's policies a few minutes ago....I must have missed the bit about live export....will be checking their policies again; it's obvious that there are pro's and con's with just about every political party! Decisions, decisions..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Avanti* Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) I find it all a bit confusing Steve as some (and I am only saying 'some') of the things they are proposing seem good. Whose to say any other party will do anything differently if it is the RSPCA behind the proposals? I don't know though and would appreciate more info. Posting whole article: Brumby Government to back RSPCA on animal welface Posted: Wednesday, 27 October 2010 | By: Joe Helper A re-elected Brumby Labor Government will strengthen animal welfare laws and provide further support for the RSPCA to enforce animal cruelty prosecutions. Agriculture Minister Joe Helper said a re-elected Brumby Labor Government would build on Labor’s record of improving animal welfare with a wide-range of measures designed to ensure the responsible owning and breeding of animals. “We will introduce a minimum age for buying pets, ensure more dogs and cats are desexed and introduce new laws to crackdown on rogue puppy farm operators,” he said. “We will continue to work with the RSPCA and other animal organisations to ensure animals and pets are protected.” Mr Helper said a re-elected Brumby Labor Government would: Provide the RSPCA with $4 million over four years to help fund their inspectorate work, so they can continue to prosecute cases of animal cruelty and give the RSPCA further powers to enforce animal welfare laws in relation to pets and pet-breeding establishments; Introduce a minimum age for buying pets, so anyone under 18 who wants to purchase a pet will need parental consent; Amend the pet shop code to ensure any dogs and cats sold from a pet shop are either de-sexed or the future de-sexing is pre-paid with a redeemable voucher at a vet; Review tiered pet registration in consultation with local government, to encourage further de-sexing of pets; Extend the maximum holding period for animals in shelters and pounds to allow more animals to be rehabilitated and re-housed; Improve the standards in the pet shop code of practice providing for the exercise and socialisation of animals prior to being sold; Review penalties for repeat animal cruelty offences; Expand the highly successful Responsible Pet Ownership program to cover an extra 300 kindergartens every year; and Regulate the identification and traceability of online pet sales to improve consumer protection and aid welfare investigations. Mr Helper said as part of its commitment to strengthen animal welfare laws, the Brumby Labor Government will move to stamp out rogue puppy farm operators from the pet breeding industry. “Most people breed animals in a responsible and humane way but unfortunately there are some elements in the industry that exploit animals,” he said. “That is why we will introduce tough new laws to make sure more businesses are covered by laws applying to registered pet breeders and all those businesses are audited every year to ensure they are treating their animals humanely.” Mr Helper said rogue puppy farm operators would have to contend with: Councils and the RSPCA having the ability to shut down and immediately seize animals from pet breeders who aren’t treating their animals humanely; Penalties being doubled for pet breeders who don’t register as a domestic animal business or who don’t comply with a Code of Practice from $1195 to $2389 for each breach; Changes to what is defined as a domestic animals business from a minimum of 10 breeding females to three; These new laws being applied to pet breeders who don’t intend to make money from their operation so all pet breeders are covered; Annual audits of every registered pet breeding establishment so regular checks are made to ensure animal welfare laws are being met; and A new ‘Smart Pet Buyers’ guide in partnership with stakeholder organisations to give Victorians the most up-to-date advice to make sure their purchase of a pet is from a shelter or responsible and registered pet breeder. Edited November 25, 2010 by LabTested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippets Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I find it all a bit confusing Steve as some (and I am only saying 'some') of the things they are proposing seem good. Whose to say any other party will do anything differently if it is the RSPCA behind the proposals? I don't know though and would appreciate more info. Posting whole article: Brumby Government to back RSPCA on animal welface Posted: Wednesday, 27 October 2010 | By: Joe Helper A re-elected Brumby Labor Government will strengthen animal welfare laws and provide further support for the RSPCA to enforce animal cruelty prosecutions. Agriculture Minister Joe Helper said a re-elected Brumby Labor Government would build on Labor’s record of improving animal welfare with a wide-range of measures designed to ensure the responsible owning and breeding of animals. “We will introduce a minimum age for buying pets, ensure more dogs and cats are desexed and introduce new laws to crackdown on rogue puppy farm operators,” he said. “We will continue to work with the RSPCA and other animal organisations to ensure animals and pets are protected.” Mr Helper said a re-elected Brumby Labor Government would: Provide the RSPCA with $4 million over four years to help fund their inspectorate work, so they can continue to prosecute cases of animal cruelty and give the RSPCA further powers to enforce animal welfare laws in relation to pets and pet-breeding establishments; Introduce a minimum age for buying pets, so anyone under 18 who wants to purchase a pet will need parental consent; Amend the pet shop code to ensure any dogs and cats sold from a pet shop are either de-sexed or the future de-sexing is pre-paid with a redeemable voucher at a vet; Review tiered pet registration in consultation with local government, to encourage further de-sexing of pets; Extend the maximum holding period for animals in shelters and pounds to allow more animals to be rehabilitated and re-housed; Improve the standards in the pet shop code of practice providing for the exercise and socialisation of animals prior to being sold; Review penalties for repeat animal cruelty offences; Expand the highly successful Responsible Pet Ownership program to cover an extra 300 kindergartens every year; and Regulate the identification and traceability of online pet sales to improve consumer protection and aid welfare investigations. Mr Helper said as part of its commitment to strengthen animal welfare laws, the Brumby Labor Government will move to stamp out rogue puppy farm operators from the pet breeding industry. “Most people breed animals in a responsible and humane way but unfortunately there are some elements in the industry that exploit animals,” he said. “That is why we will introduce tough new laws to make sure more businesses are covered by laws applying to registered pet breeders and all those businesses are audited every year to ensure they are treating their animals humanely.” Mr Helper said rogue puppy farm operators would have to contend with: Councils and the RSPCA having the ability to shut down and immediately seize animals from pet breeders who aren’t treating their animals humanely; Penalties being doubled for pet breeders who don’t register as a domestic animal business or who don’t comply with a Code of Practice from $1195 to $2389 for each breach; Changes to what is defined as a domestic animals business from a minimum of 10 breeding females to three; These new laws being applied to pet breeders who don’t intend to make money from their operation so all pet breeders are covered; Annual audits of every registered pet breeding establishment so regular checks are made to ensure animal welfare laws are being met; and A new ‘Smart Pet Buyers’ guide in partnership with stakeholder organisations to give Victorians the most up-to-date advice to make sure their purchase of a pet is from a shelter or responsible and registered pet breeder. holy crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) I find it all a bit confusing Steve as some (and I am only saying 'some') of the things they are proposing seem good. Whose to say any other party will do anything differently if it is the RSPCA behind the proposals? I don't know though and would appreciate more info. Posting whole article: Brumby Government to back RSPCA on animal welface Posted: Wednesday, 27 October 2010 | By: Joe Helper A re-elected Brumby Labor Government will strengthen animal welfare laws and provide further support for the RSPCA to enforce animal cruelty prosecutions. Agriculture Minister Joe Helper said a re-elected Brumby Labor Government would build on Labor’s record of improving animal welfare with a wide-range of measures designed to ensure the responsible owning and breeding of animals. “We will introduce a minimum age for buying pets, ensure more dogs and cats are desexed and introduce new laws to crackdown on rogue puppy farm operators,” he said. “We will continue to work with the RSPCA and other animal organisations to ensure animals and pets are protected.” Mr Helper said a re-elected Brumby Labor Government would: Provide the RSPCA with $4 million over four years to help fund their inspectorate work, so they can continue to prosecute cases of animal cruelty and give the RSPCA further powers to enforce animal welfare laws in relation to pets and pet-breeding establishments; Introduce a minimum age for buying pets, so anyone under 18 who wants to purchase a pet will need parental consent; Amend the pet shop code to ensure any dogs and cats sold from a pet shop are either de-sexed or the future de-sexing is pre-paid with a redeemable voucher at a vet; Review tiered pet registration in consultation with local government, to encourage further de-sexing of pets; Extend the maximum holding period for animals in shelters and pounds to allow more animals to be rehabilitated and re-housed; Improve the standards in the pet shop code of practice providing for the exercise and socialisation of animals prior to being sold; Review penalties for repeat animal cruelty offences; Expand the highly successful Responsible Pet Ownership program to cover an extra 300 kindergartens every year; and Regulate the identification and traceability of online pet sales to improve consumer protection and aid welfare investigations. Mr Helper said as part of its commitment to strengthen animal welfare laws, the Brumby Labor Government will move to stamp out rogue puppy farm operators from the pet breeding industry. “Most people breed animals in a responsible and humane way but unfortunately there are some elements in the industry that exploit animals,” he said. “That is why we will introduce tough new laws to make sure more businesses are covered by laws applying to registered pet breeders and all those businesses are audited every year to ensure they are treating their animals humanely.” Mr Helper said rogue puppy farm operators would have to contend with: Councils and the RSPCA having the ability to shut down and immediately seize animals from pet breeders who aren’t treating their animals humanely; Penalties being doubled for pet breeders who don’t register as a domestic animal business or who don’t comply with a Code of Practice from $1195 to $2389 for each breach; Changes to what is defined as a domestic animals business from a minimum of 10 breeding females to three; These new laws being applied to pet breeders who don’t intend to make money from their operation so all pet breeders are covered; Annual audits of every registered pet breeding establishment so regular checks are made to ensure animal welfare laws are being met; and A new ‘Smart Pet Buyers’ guide in partnership with stakeholder organisations to give Victorians the most up-to-date advice to make sure their purchase of a pet is from a shelter or responsible and registered pet breeder. Edited November 25, 2010 by Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 Do not vote for Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazzapug Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Ok so correct me if I'm wrong, but an ad I heard on the radio seemed to imply that Country Alliance are the ones who want to continue practices such as live export and there was something else I didn't agree with. While I understand it does create jobs, surely there's a better way. That isnt on the their list of policies on their website.......but I like their water and Firewood policies, anything to avoid another Black Sat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 I find it all a bit confusing Steve as some (and I am only saying 'some') of the things they are proposing seem good. Whose to say any other party will do anything differently if it is the RSPCA behind the proposals? I don't know though and would appreciate more info. Posting whole article: Brumby Government to back RSPCA on animal welface Posted: Wednesday, 27 October 2010 | By: Joe Helper A re-elected Brumby Labor Government will strengthen animal welfare laws and provide further support for the RSPCA to enforce animal cruelty prosecutions. Agriculture Minister Joe Helper said a re-elected Brumby Labor Government would build on Labor’s record of improving animal welfare with a wide-range of measures designed to ensure the responsible owning and breeding of animals. “We will introduce a minimum age for buying pets, ensure more dogs and cats are desexed and introduce new laws to crackdown on rogue puppy farm operators,” he said. “We will continue to work with the RSPCA and other animal organisations to ensure animals and pets are protected.” Mr Helper said a re-elected Brumby Labor Government would: Provide the RSPCA with $4 million over four years to help fund their inspectorate work, so they can continue to prosecute cases of animal cruelty and give the RSPCA further powers to enforce animal welfare laws in relation to pets and pet-breeding establishments; Introduce a minimum age for buying pets, so anyone under 18 who wants to purchase a pet will need parental consent; Amend the pet shop code to ensure any dogs and cats sold from a pet shop are either de-sexed or the future de-sexing is pre-paid with a redeemable voucher at a vet; Review tiered pet registration in consultation with local government, to encourage further de-sexing of pets; Extend the maximum holding period for animals in shelters and pounds to allow more animals to be rehabilitated and re-housed; Improve the standards in the pet shop code of practice providing for the exercise and socialisation of animals prior to being sold; Review penalties for repeat animal cruelty offences; Expand the highly successful Responsible Pet Ownership program to cover an extra 300 kindergartens every year; and Regulate the identification and traceability of online pet sales to improve consumer protection and aid welfare investigations. Mr Helper said as part of its commitment to strengthen animal welfare laws, the Brumby Labor Government will move to stamp out rogue puppy farm operators from the pet breeding industry. “Most people breed animals in a responsible and humane way but unfortunately there are some elements in the industry that exploit animals,” he said. “That is why we will introduce tough new laws to make sure more businesses are covered by laws applying to registered pet breeders and all those businesses are audited every year to ensure they are treating their animals humanely.” Mr Helper said rogue puppy farm operators would have to contend with: Councils and the RSPCA having the ability to shut down and immediately seize animals from pet breeders who aren’t treating their animals humanely; Penalties being doubled for pet breeders who don’t register as a domestic animal business or who don’t comply with a Code of Practice from $1195 to $2389 for each breach; Changes to what is defined as a domestic animals business from a minimum of 10 breeding females to three; These new laws being applied to pet breeders who don’t intend to make money from their operation so all pet breeders are covered; Annual audits of every registered pet breeding establishment so regular checks are made to ensure animal welfare laws are being met; and A new ‘Smart Pet Buyers’ guide in partnership with stakeholder organisations to give Victorians the most up-to-date advice to make sure their purchase of a pet is from a shelter or responsible and registered pet breeder. You understand that means every registered breeder in Victoria who has more than 3 dogs ! better go look at the mandatory codes to see how you need to house your dogs .They will know where you are and what you are doing with how many every single step of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippets Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) These are the 2 policies re: dogs I could find at the liberal site: Puppy_Farms Review_Of_Domestic_Animals_Act I'm voting for liberal this year. For all you voters out there. If you choose a party other than liberal make sure you check where their preferences go otherwise your vote may still go to Labor. Edited November 25, 2010 by whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 Nup - dont vote for liberal either - Leader of the Victorian Liberal Nationals Coalition Ted Baillieu announced today a series of new measures which a Baillieu Government would take to close poorly operated puppy farms, including stronger legislative penalties, empowering the RSPCA, overhauling codes of practice and seizing proceeds of illegal puppy farm operations. Under new Coalition legislation, RSPCA animal inspectors would be given the same powers under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act as local government special inspectors. These new powers would significantly enhance policing and enforcement, with inspectors able to: • enter puppy farm premises; • inspect animals, equipment and any structures on the premises; • investigate the operation and running of the puppy farms to ensure that all laws and codes of practise are being complied with; and • seize animals from companion breeding establishments where operators have breached the Code of Practice. A Coalition Government would also allow for imposing heavy punitive fines on puppy farm operators to ensure compliance and prevent the practice of rogue operators paying small fines whilst continuing profitable practices that breach animal welfare standards. A Baillieu Government will introduce: • heavy fines of up to $30,000 for rogue operators who are found to have committed acts of cruelty or failed to comply with the Code of Practice (the current penalty is $1195); • heavy fines of up to $20,000 for operators who fail to register as a domestic animal business or operate illegal businesses (the current penalty is $1195); and Save yourselves Victorian - get out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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