W Sibs Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 (edited) Came back from the vets/specialist saying that Emmy has this. Both her hind legs kneecaps but her right one is the one that's going to get operated first Hopefully because she is still very young, she will make a full recovery. I only notice her limping on Saturday morning and took her straight to the vets. The new vet there said she might have this, so we made an appointment with a specialist there who knows a lot more about it. He confirmed it. Both her knees need to be done. But the right is worst then the left. He says that they rarely get Jap Spitz in the clinic but in the past month, Emmy is the 4th JS that has came in having the same problem. Edited November 22, 2010 by CW EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Personally I would not be touching Patellas until the dog is fully grown - my boy had some luxation when he was about 9 months, it went away and he has since been declared fit as a fiddle by a specialist. It seems quite common that the ligaments and bones get a bit loose while the dog is growing. That's just my opinion though, I wish you and her the best, the last thing you need is more health problems with your dogs CW EW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted November 22, 2010 Author Share Posted November 22, 2010 From what i've been told.. her right knee cap won't stay in the middle at all. They said that she's Grade 3. I don't know what's with my dogs but apparently she is suppose to be in pain, but she doesn't seem like she is in pain. Got pain med to give her if needed, but Emmy doesn't know the concept of pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollipup Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 ;) sorry to hear this. I was thinking the same thing, you don't need to go through any more health problems with your dogs! I'm sure Emmy will spring right back from this to continue to conquer the world with Charlie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretel Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Oh sorry to hear that. Is Emmy desexed? I think she is. It's just sometimes patellas can get looser around season time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted November 22, 2010 Author Share Posted November 22, 2010 Luckily Charlie is doing awesome.. Yes, Emmy is desexed Gretel. It's just sometimes patellas can get looser around season time. I did not know this... is there anything people do to help them with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretel Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 No I don't think anything can be done about it CW EW. Years ago I was very unlucky and had several pups who had good knees until they hit a year old and then all had slipping patellas ;) The vet explained to me that as the leg straightened up a bit with growth it can happen then. She also mentioned seasons at that time. One of these pups is Lacey who is now 6 and has never had any problems. Her sister, Liesl, had her worst knee repaired and went on to a pet home. Both parents have good knees. Ingrid is nearly 9 and very sound. No one else had any problems from the stud dog. I was just unlucky. Lacey was desexed and has been very spoilt here One of those times I hate breeding.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 CW EW .... Can't offer you any advice, I'm sorry. But I do wish you and Emmy good luck. It is not as though you haven't already had your fair share of trials and vet bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Bugger! How old is Emmy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 What has your breeder said ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted November 22, 2010 Author Share Posted November 22, 2010 (edited) I had both parents viewed and everything and they are 100% healthy and fine. Emmy was only pup in litter too and now she got it... I feel bad for Emmy (but we don't show it to her though). It's just a sucky situation all around. Erny, thanks. We no longer look at vet bills anymore because we like to keep our sanity Edited November 22, 2010 by CW EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted November 22, 2010 Author Share Posted November 22, 2010 Bugger!How old is Emmy? Emmy is 8 months.. a few days shy of 9 months. What has your breeder said ? I haven't spoken to her yet. Going to give her a call tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 CW, I got my Toy Poodle Lily aged 8 months. She had a luxating patella. My vet advised me to wait until she was 12 months old before making any decision about operating. She said the knees can tighten as muscles develop. We waited and the hoped for result occured. Grade 3 might be a bit serious for this to happen but I'd suggest you ask about whether maturity and increased muscle might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'd speak to your breeder before you do anything. It would have been nice to let her know of your issues before announcing to the world also. I'd be upset if I bred her and heard second hand on the DOL grapevive that she has problems but you;ve not yet discussed them with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julzjc Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Oh no CWEW, so sorry to hear the news. Bonnie had Grade 2-3 at around 6months but we were advised to wait until she was 12mths old and then reasses her. She is fine now, she has only once had her knee cap slip in the last 6mths and she only needed to stretch her leg and it was fine again. Hope all goes well with the surgery, good luck keeping her quiet for 2weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julzjc Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 CW, I got my Toy Poodle Lily aged 8 months. She had a luxating patella.My vet advised me to wait until she was 12 months old before making any decision about operating. She said the knees can tighten as muscles develop. We waited and the hoped for result occured. Grade 3 might be a bit serious for this to happen but I'd suggest you ask about whether maturity and increased muscle might help. Snap PF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted November 22, 2010 Author Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'd speak to your breeder before you do anything. It would have been nice to let her know of your issues before announcing to the world also. I'd be upset if I bred her and heard second hand on the DOL grapevive that she has problems but you;ve not yet discussed them with me I didn't mean to upset anyone. I have all intention of talking to her and I'm not blaming her for anything. I'm sure she will be understanding about the situation. She knows I think she's a great breeder and a good person, but it is a sucky situation/bad luck for Emmy. As I said, we did everything right, there is nothing wrong with her dogs (I think her dogs are fantastic). Oh no CWEW, so sorry to hear the news. Bonnie had Grade 2-3 at around 6months but we were advised to wait until she was 12mths old and then reasses her. She is fine now, she has only once had her knee cap slip in the last 6mths and she only needed to stretch her leg and it was fine again.Hope all goes well with the surgery, good luck keeping her quiet for 2weeks I'm sure things will be fine... kinda not looking for the 6 - 8 weeks recovery period. Poodlefan Grade 3 might be a bit serious for this to happen but I'd suggest you ask about whether maturity and increased muscle might help. Emmy's right hind kneecap is always out.. it won't go back to where it's suppose to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'm sure things will be fine... kinda not looking for the 6 - 8 weeks recovery period.Poodlefan Grade 3 might be a bit serious for this to happen but I'd suggest you ask about whether maturity and increased muscle might help. Emmy's right hind kneecap is always out.. it won't go back to where it's suppose to be. In which case the op cannot be delayed. What a bummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted November 22, 2010 Author Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'm sure things will be fine... kinda not looking for the 6 - 8 weeks recovery period.Poodlefan Grade 3 might be a bit serious for this to happen but I'd suggest you ask about whether maturity and increased muscle might help. Emmy's right hind kneecap is always out.. it won't go back to where it's suppose to be. In which case the op cannot be delayed. What a bummer Yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'm not saying you think she's bad or it's her fault. It's just that breeders put countless hours and care into puppies and it always comes as a bit of a shock when things go wrong, she'll be concerned and probably upset. It's just not something that you'd want to read about on DOL, but rather be told first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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