Ignorant Owners! Argh

[JaneH]

This dog has bitten people. If the owners are too irresponsible to fix this problem, it should not just be made somebody else's problem.

There are too many nice dogs needing homes as it is, that have never bitten anyone.

Yes, I agree - to a point - yes - 'there are too many nice dogs out there needing homes' - but why do all these nice dogs need homes?

A dog rescuer said to me recently - not every dog can be saved - each one has their own quirks and needs - if this dog has bitten people - particularly family members - then there are serious questions that need to be asked - and being emotional and trying to do the right thing often leads to even more problems - 'even though there may be a lot of nice dogs out there needing homes'.

Also another person said to me - 'that there is no antidote for stupidity and they are still out there breeding'

I am not really speaking from my own experience - I have only rescued one 'pup' - at this stage - but he was a nightmare when he first arrived - 2 years old and knew everything - but still a beautiful 'pup' - but with my vet's help and with what we are doing at home here - we are getting there - he definitely won't be leaving here any time soon.

[tdierikx]

Backyard bred dogs tend to come with poor temperaments anyway

I'd probably qualify the above with something more along the lines of "backyard bred, undersocialised, and undertrained dogs tend to develop poor temperaments anyway"

Not all backyard bred dogs are going to be problem dogs - it really does come down to getting out what you put in - well bred dogs can be nasty little things when owned by idiots too...

T.

[Steve]

Well Im sorry but I think sometimes dogs are born that way and while you may be able to train them to behave most times in controlled situations I dont want to live with a dog which may react badly when its under pressure.I dont expect anyone else to have to do that either. As a breeder if it bites for no good reason , is given the benefit of the doubt and then has another go its gone.Im not interested in how it might behave after training because I think temperament is bred in and if I didnt think that I wouldnt have a preference for particular breeds.It doesnt stay here, it isnt used for breeding and it doesnt go out for anyone else to have the pain in the neck.

If the owner says its got a nasty temperament then they are in a better position to know than anyone and personally I think its responsible behaviour to decide whether they think it will be O.K. with other people or not. I know trainers dont agree with me but there's not a chance I would have a dog which has been thrown out of home for biting here around my kids no matter how well you tell me it is now its had some training. Ive been around and lived with a hell of a lot of dogs in my life time and just as I wouldnt live with a man who hit me I wouldnt live with a dog that bit me.I wouldnt wish the man on anyone no matter how much therapy or training they gave him as I would always believe if he did it once he could do it again and I wouldnt want to live near a child molester either for the same reason thats how I think about dogs which bite.

If you came here trying to tell me you could train it out of them I wouldnt care - if it bites its on its way to God no matter how spoilt it is.

[sas]

If the dog is aggressive then there is no way that it should be re-homed *shakes head* Logic people - not just emotion.

Additionaly if the owners won't do anything to help the dog then it will continue to be dangerous and should be PTS - no dog deserves to live in that state of anxiety.

[sas]

Well Im sorry but I think sometimes dogs are born that way and while you may be able to train them to behave most times in controlled situations I dont want to live with a dog which may react badly when its under pressure.I dont expect anyone else to have to do that either. As a breeder if it bites for no good reason , is given the benefit of the doubt and then has another go its gone.Im not interested in how it might behave after training because I think temperament is bred in and if I didnt think that I wouldnt have a preference for particular breeds.It doesnt stay here, it isnt used for breeding and it doesnt go out for anyone else to have the pain in the neck.

If the owner says its got a nasty temperament then they are in a better position to know than anyone and personally I think its responsible behaviour to decide whether they think it will be O.K. with other people or not. I know trainers dont agree with me but there's not a chance I would have a dog which has been thrown out of home for biting here around my kids no matter how well you tell me it is now its had some training. Ive been around and lived with a hell of a lot of dogs in my life time and just as I wouldnt live with a man who hit me I wouldnt live with a dog that bit me.I wouldnt wish the man on anyone no matter how much therapy or training they gave him as I would always believe if he did it once he could do it again and I wouldnt want to live near a child molester either for the same reason thats how I think about dogs which bite.

If you came here trying to tell me you could train it out of them I wouldnt care - if it bites its on its way to God no matter how spoilt it is.

Ditto.

I have a dog that in someone elses hands would be a real concern, I find him extremely challening at times, he's not babied or spolit and is still a prat and we have worked with Trainers & Behaviourists - some dogs are just prats - I'm not saying the said dog is - but no one but the owners know this dog - everyone is just making assumptions.

[whiskedaway]

Backyard bred dogs tend to come with poor temperaments anyway

I'd probably qualify the above with something more along the lines of "backyard bred, undersocialised, and undertrained dogs tend to develop poor temperaments anyway"

Not all backyard bred dogs are going to be problem dogs - it really does come down to getting out what you put in - well bred dogs can be nasty little things when owned by idiots too...

T.

Agreed. I own a BYB dog and while there were issues at first and there still is a teensy issue with men that we're getting through, we now have a well adjusted dog because we put in the hard work.

[Greytmate]

Backyard bred dogs tend to come with poor temperaments anyway

I'd probably qualify the above with something more along the lines of "backyard bred, undersocialised, and undertrained dogs tend to develop poor temperaments anyway"

Not all backyard bred dogs are going to be problem dogs - it really does come down to getting out what you put in - well bred dogs can be nasty little things when owned by idiots too...

T.

Sorry, rant time. Not aimed at you personally T, just at everyone saying this lately.

It is the hugest myth going around this forum these days.

That dog's bad temperaments are formed by owners and not by breeders.

Hello people, we are on a purebreed forum. If breeding doesn't make any difference to what a dog is like-

WHY ARE YOU HERE?

To admire a dog's fluffy coat?

I keep dogs as pets, so I rely on good breeders to produce good pets way more than I do on my own ability to do a bit of basic training and socialisation.

Not to say all purebred dogs have good temps either, but if you do not breed for good temp, you LOSE IT. Same as you do with conformation.

And if a dog has a bad temp, NO amount of training and socialisation is going to make it a good one. You cannot always blame owners for bad dogs, if the dog was badly bred to begin with.