Call To Create A Dog Owner Licencing System

[GeckoTree]

What like accumulating demerit points before your dog gets suspended? lol

That guys smoked something from Off Topic.

[PRADA68]

So no to more laws, say no to more laws, say no to more laws, say no to more laws, say no to more laws ,say no to more laws. Say no to more laws.

x 100 I could not agree more.

[Stitch]

No, No, No to giving local authorities etc. more power over dog ownership.

Dogs must be seen either as an easy target or there is something more sinister in the works.

If a dog barks and someone complains then you have the council on your back real quick BUT if there is an issue in another area say like we have where people are continuously bringing in truck loads of dirt into an area without a permit, chewing up the roads with their trucks, poluting the environment with the dust they stir up - all of which are not allowed under the environmental laws - the council moves at snail pace and seems to be either unwilling or unable to stop them even though they have the ability to apply major fines.

I am sick and tired of local councils and really wonder why it is that they continually want to target dogs with more and more by-laws - why not enforce the ones they already have???

[Tapferhund]

Is that all of the states canine associations gone to hell? licences, registrations, memberships - thats looking after their members alright.

Look after their members?....now that makes me laugh . IMO these associations have TURNED on their own . The Canine Associations have 'crossed over to the dark side' in that they support , by their very own actions, any laws brought in by any authorities. For example , if a dog dares act ONCE like a dog , for whatever reason , in having a snap or go at another dog while on CC hallowed ground....all HELL breaks loose for the owner/s! The owner/s of the dog are treated like they have just committed some sort of capital offense and their dog is treated like it has some dreaded disease . Its never allowed on CC hallowed ground again and that includes ALL dog clubs around the State, until it has been 'tested' at some time down the track. (bloody ridiculous and overkill/over reaction to the extreme imo..........AND by our very own)

The thing is, if we can't rely on 'our own' to look after ' our own' with help and support in all situations .....then what's the point ?

Edited November 9, 2010 by Tapferhund

[~Anne~]

What on earth is Peter Higgins on about? ANKC and Dogs NSW stood against licences for breeders and push for microchipping to do the job but now they are asking for them for pet owners ????? - Arent they capable of seeing the consequences - Its just gets worse and worse every bloody day.

It is so beyond belief. Maybe they changed who they are representing but for got to tell the membership?

What is the economic status of Blacktown?

Is it really the only way to help the folks in Blacktown get control of their dogs to license all pet owners in the whole state?

If the government was held accountable like a business they would never be allowed to take off in this sort of wild direction of massive costs without a hint of evidence this will improve things in Blacktown, never mind the rest of the state.

In all reality, the dog attack stats would probably be similar across many LGAs and not just specific to Blacktown.

Blacktown is the largest LGA, to my knowlege, in NSW and so the alleged high number of attacks could really only be looked at fairly by taking that fact into account. It is also rated as low socio-economic and I think, one of the lowest in the stats.

Edited November 9, 2010 by ~Anne~

[~Anne~]

Just as an added;

Some facts and figures regarding Blacktown Local Govrnment Area which may put things in perspective;

Blacktown LGA - 285,564 people

Darwin LGA - 72,859

Hobart LGA - 49,593

In order of size the top 4 LGA's are;

Brisbane LGA - 1,006,976

Gold Coast LGA - 524,654

ACT - 339,761

Blacktown LGA - 285, 564

However, stats aside, I agree strongly with Julie. We don't need any more laws.

Edited November 9, 2010 by ~Anne~

[Fit for a King]

Oh Tapferhund so "in having a snap or go at another dog while on CC hallowed ground" should just be ignored? Are you serious? Yes they are dogs but they should be under control.....

[Steve]

What on earth is Peter Higgins on about? ANKC and Dogs NSW stood against licences for breeders and push for microchipping to do the job but now they are asking for them for pet owners ????? - Arent they capable of seeing the consequences - Its just gets worse and worse every bloody day.

It is so beyond belief. Maybe they changed who they are representing but for got to tell the membership?

What is the economic status of Blacktown?

Is it really the only way to help the folks in Blacktown get control of their dogs to license all pet owners in the whole state?

If the government was held accountable like a business they would never be allowed to take off in this sort of wild direction of massive costs without a hint of evidence this will improve things in Blacktown, never mind the rest of the state.

In all reality, the dog attack stats would probably be similar across many LGAs and not just specific to Blacktown.

Blacktown is the largest LGA, to my knowlege, in NSW and so the alleged high number of attacks could really only be looked at fairly by taking that fact into account. It is also rated as low socio-economic and I think, one of the lowest in the stats.

Low socio economic! My Mum's little 3 bedroom 40 year old fibro house sold for half a million dollars in Blacktown! My sister's house near Bungaribeee Rd was recently valued at over that too. Rents are huge too. If that's low socia ecomomic out around here where a similar house on double the land goes for around 100,000 and rentals are around $150 a week makes you wonder .

[~Anne~]

What on earth is Peter Higgins on about? ANKC and Dogs NSW stood against licences for breeders and push for microchipping to do the job but now they are asking for them for pet owners ????? - Arent they capable of seeing the consequences - Its just gets worse and worse every bloody day.

It is so beyond belief. Maybe they changed who they are representing but for got to tell the membership?

What is the economic status of Blacktown?

Is it really the only way to help the folks in Blacktown get control of their dogs to license all pet owners in the whole state?

If the government was held accountable like a business they would never be allowed to take off in this sort of wild direction of massive costs without a hint of evidence this will improve things in Blacktown, never mind the rest of the state.

In all reality, the dog attack stats would probably be similar across many LGAs and not just specific to Blacktown.

Blacktown is the largest LGA, to my knowlege, in NSW and so the alleged high number of attacks could really only be looked at fairly by taking that fact into account. It is also rated as low socio-economic and I think, one of the lowest in the stats.

Low socio economic! My Mum's little 3 bedroom 40 year old fibro house sold for half a million dollars in Blacktown! My sister's house near Bungaribeee Rd was recently valued at over that too. Rents are huge too. If that's low socia ecomomic out around here where a similar house on double the land goes for around 100,000 and rentals are around $150 a week makes you wonder .

$500 is nothing for a house Julie. You've been out of Sydney for too long. :rolleyes:

Besides, low socio-economic doesn't have anything to do with realestate. Low socio-economic is based on education, income and social status.

[Steve]

What on earth is Peter Higgins on about? ANKC and Dogs NSW stood against licences for breeders and push for microchipping to do the job but now they are asking for them for pet owners ????? - Arent they capable of seeing the consequences - Its just gets worse and worse every bloody day.

It is so beyond belief. Maybe they changed who they are representing but for got to tell the membership?

What is the economic status of Blacktown?

Is it really the only way to help the folks in Blacktown get control of their dogs to license all pet owners in the whole state?

If the government was held accountable like a business they would never be allowed to take off in this sort of wild direction of massive costs without a hint of evidence this will improve things in Blacktown, never mind the rest of the state.

In all reality, the dog attack stats would probably be similar across many LGAs and not just specific to Blacktown.

Blacktown is the largest LGA, to my knowlege, in NSW and so the alleged high number of attacks could really only be looked at fairly by taking that fact into account. It is also rated as low socio-economic and I think, one of the lowest in the stats.

Low socio economic! My Mum's little 3 bedroom 40 year old fibro house sold for half a million dollars in Blacktown! My sister's house near Bungaribeee Rd was recently valued at over that too. Rents are huge too. If that's low socia ecomomic out around here where a similar house on double the land goes for around 100,000 and rentals are around $150 a week makes you wonder .

$500 is nothing for a house Julie. You've been out of Sydney for too long. :rolleyes:

Besides, low socio-economic doesn't have anything to do with realestate. Low socio-economic is based on education, income and social status.

Well how the hell does anyone afford to keep a roof over their head with those kind of prices? They must be educted better on survival than I am because they are finding that kind of money to live ,they must be getting a hell of a lot more income than I am to pay for it and in my eyes they have a pretty high social status when I look at the those around here who struggle to find enough to eat after paying 100 a week rent. There might be more of em but they are definitely doing something better than us slum dwellers out here!

[~Anne~]

A quick check of the BOS shows that Blacktown is rated in the 4th quintile with 5th being the absolute lowest and 1st being the better end of the scale.

[~Anne~]

What on earth is Peter Higgins on about? ANKC and Dogs NSW stood against licences for breeders and push for microchipping to do the job but now they are asking for them for pet owners ????? - Arent they capable of seeing the consequences - Its just gets worse and worse every bloody day.

It is so beyond belief. Maybe they changed who they are representing but for got to tell the membership?

What is the economic status of Blacktown?

Is it really the only way to help the folks in Blacktown get control of their dogs to license all pet owners in the whole state?

If the government was held accountable like a business they would never be allowed to take off in this sort of wild direction of massive costs without a hint of evidence this will improve things in Blacktown, never mind the rest of the state.

In all reality, the dog attack stats would probably be similar across many LGAs and not just specific to Blacktown.

Blacktown is the largest LGA, to my knowlege, in NSW and so the alleged high number of attacks could really only be looked at fairly by taking that fact into account. It is also rated as low socio-economic and I think, one of the lowest in the stats.

Low socio economic! My Mum's little 3 bedroom 40 year old fibro house sold for half a million dollars in Blacktown! My sister's house near Bungaribeee Rd was recently valued at over that too. Rents are huge too. If that's low socia ecomomic out around here where a similar house on double the land goes for around 100,000 and rentals are around $150 a week makes you wonder .

$500 is nothing for a house Julie. You've been out of Sydney for too long. :D

Besides, low socio-economic doesn't have anything to do with realestate. Low socio-economic is based on education, income and social status.

Well how the hell does anyone afford to keep a roof over their head with those kind of prices? They must be educted better on survival than I am because they are finding that kind of money to live ,they must be getting a hell of a lot more income than I am to pay for it and in my eyes they have a pretty high social status when I look at the those around here who struggle to find enough to eat after paying 100 a week rent. There might be more of em but they are definitely doing something better than us slum dwellers out here!

Haven't you been listening to the news? :rolleyes: Rent is at a peak amounts and this forcing people to live in cars and on the street. Home buyers are priced out of the market and people are under mortgage stress. OT - but I have been looking at rentals recently for my youngest. A fibro, 1 bedroom granny flat in western Sydney rents for $200 per week and then you pay utilities on top.

[Steve]

Bloody hell - tell them to come out here. 500,000 here will get you 50 acres and 4 bedroom house with all mod cons - real posh and I doubt that a whole house even exists in this town which would fetch anywhere near $200 a week for rent.

[Tapferhund]

Oh Tapferhund so "in having a snap or go at another dog while on CC hallowed ground" should just be ignored? Are you serious? Yes they are dogs but they should be under control.....

Get real FFaK. WHERE in my post did I say "should just be ignore"?????????

I am not saying such instances should be ignored but they should also not be treated in the way they are.......in pure over reaction and overkill....treating people like criminals.

Instances such as these are accidents and the dogs owners do not set out to deliberately have their dogs attack or rush at another. Their dogs ARE under control , but , for whatever reason, these things on occasion do happen....and its just as horrifying for the dogs owner as it is for the other party...but as you said , dogs are dogs and IMO this should be taken into account .

Dogs have been having shots at other dogs since time began ...and up until recently, the two human parties , one would apologize to the other, both would tell their dogs off and that would be that.....done and dusted ...all over and done with. But not today. Today we expect our dogs to behave like humans at ALL times in getting on with each other, even if they don't like each other...and if they don't.......the carry on that goes on over it by the idiot humans is ridiculous.

But why I am trying to explain this to you I don't know ...especially after reading that last sentence of yours. No understanding whatsoever imo.

[duel]

"Today we expect our dogs to behave like humans at ALL times in getting on with each other, even if they don't like each other...and if they don't.......the carry on that goes on over it by the idiot humans is ridiculous."

Taps i have to strongly disagree with you. LOL i can see its been a long time since you have been to a nightclub. I dont think a dog could possibly be as feral some people they snort drugs off toilet seats and a fight like you are refering too consists of me and my 10 mates against you and your 15. At least if its a dog fight it generally is only one on one. I think the dogs are more itellegent to be honest.

we are begining to become a dog hating nation and like the above senario it all comes back to one thing the "DO GOODERS" they will FFCK it up so badlylike they have the society of today where kids run riot and violence is out of control then scream help us

[Tapferhund]

:D Onya Duel !!!!

[Leelaa17]

``If you’re in a park and a dog comes up to you and growls or has aggressive behaviour, this is deemed a dog attack,’’ he said.

^^^^ that was from the article in the mt druitt standard. I live in the Blacktown City area and go to the local dog park in doonside four days a week.

I'm sorry but I think if someone thinks they've been 'attacked' by a dog because its growled at them is just ridiculous.

When I take my GSD to the vet, we have to muzzle him (and he is the most placid, happy dog you could ever meet - guarenteed) because he growls at the vet - u can actually see hatred in his eyes. Does that mean my vet gets 'attacked' every time we go to the vet??

It's absolutely ridiculous. If someone said to me 'oh I just got attacked by a dog because its hackles were raised' I am going to laugh at them.

On the other hand - I think having a licence to have a dog is a fantastic idea. I do agree that the laws that are already in place should be more enforced... but I have always said that having some sort of licence in place to own a dog would be the best idea yet. It would stop people buying animals on a whim.

I am all for it.

[Steve]

``If you're in a park and a dog comes up to you and growls or has aggressive behaviour, this is deemed a dog attack,'' he said.

^^^^ that was from the article in the mt druitt standard. I live in the Blacktown City area and go to the local dog park in doonside four days a week.

I'm sorry but I think if someone thinks they've been 'attacked' by a dog because its growled at them is just ridiculous.

When I take my GSD to the vet, we have to muzzle him (and he is the most placid, happy dog you could ever meet - guarenteed) because he growls at the vet - u can actually see hatred in his eyes. Does that mean my vet gets 'attacked' every time we go to the vet??

It's absolutely ridiculous. If someone said to me 'oh I just got attacked by a dog because its hackles were raised' I am going to laugh at them.

On the other hand - I think having a licence to have a dog is a fantastic idea. I do agree that the laws that are already in place should be more enforced... but I have always said that having some sort of licence in place to own a dog would be the best idea yet. It would stop people buying animals on a whim.

I am all for it.

How would this stop people buying dogs on a whim ?

[Fit for a King]

taperhund - you rant on about hallowed ground and over reaction - my question was simple - what do you want people to do - ignore a dog behaving aggressively?

You can disagree all you like I don't give a toss....I meet show and pet people like you unfortunately....a dog gets bitten or rushed and "it's oh well.... they're dogs" - yes they are but it's the human's responsibility to control that dog....you explain to the new puppy owner why their puppy who up until an hour ago was a happy, well socialised creature is now cowering in fear because some tool allowed their animal to rush and/or bite it as they blithely had their animal on an extender lead and were busy gossiping to someone and not paying attention........go ask the showies who have had to retire puppies at less than 6 months old because of an attack that has left them scarred figuratively or literally.

...live in lala land with no rules and no responsibility all you like but stay the hell away from me and mind with that attitude....

Can't help but think that one of yours has been dq'ed at some stage and you think it was not justified...if so why not come out and give us the story.....

Edited November 12, 2010 by Fit for a King

[Souff]

Peter Higgins should pull his head out of his derriere. What a disgrace our CC's are.

Spend oodles of money hounding board members over some personal vendetta and then suggest this crap

I think that it's about time that a member's revolt happened, chop off all their heads and start again with people that can see the wood AND the trees!

Totally agree Danni.

Dogs NSW knows that councils have a lot of power in the existing legislation and they are not exercising enough of that power.

Stick with the microphone at the shows Peter. If you want to do something positive about dog attacks put a rocket up the councils for not policing the Act.

Souff