Rare Or Disqualifed Colours In Breeds.

[RallyValley]

And pretty much the same, this gamut of colours is what is called "yellow" in Labs

It also covers (from left to right) Light Deadgrass, Deadgrass, Sedge and Dark Sedge in Chessies.

[Diva]

And just to confuse things more, sable in Borzoi is now known not to be a^s or a^w as once reported, but almost certainly a^t a^t with a modifier on the e series, e^G. Unlike clear red borozi which are a^y. Sable can be tricky.

Different allele or mutation at the same gene, agouti.

The agouti gene doesn't by itself explain the sable colour/pattern in Borzoi.

In all likelihood it is the same as domino in Affies and grizzle in Salukis, the e^G gene whch was only written up this year affecting the expression of black and tan, a^t. But the work wasn't done on 'zoi so I don't think it's 100% certain it's the same. Borzoi breeders have known for a long time it's not just the agouti gene though, from the way it was inherited.

Edited to be a bit shorter and less confusing with the quotes, I hope!

Edited November 4, 2010 by Diva

[Flaves]

My Dad has photos of his Silver and Black German Shepherd. Is that possible?

Loving the panda marked German Shepherds.

Could be a Sable,

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=42931

Bekki is considered a wolf grey sable or silver sable

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=40103

Tripp is also a sable but you can see the difference in colour between the two

Yes it is.

Not desirable though

[Crazy Daisy]

And pretty much the same, this gamut of colours is what is called "yellow" in Labs

It also covers (from left to right) Light Deadgrass, Deadgrass, Sedge and Dark Sedge in Chessies.

Urgh, "deadgrass" is not a nice name. :p

[RallyValley]

And pretty much the same, this gamut of colours is what is called "yellow" in Labs

It also covers (from left to right) Light Deadgrass, Deadgrass, Sedge and Dark Sedge in Chessies.

Urgh, "deadgrass" is not a nice name. :p

Yep we also get tan, ash and (wait for it) light brown, brown and dark brown.

[Crazy Daisy]

And pretty much the same, this gamut of colours is what is called "yellow" in Labs

It also covers (from left to right) Light Deadgrass, Deadgrass, Sedge and Dark Sedge in Chessies.

Urgh, "deadgrass" is not a nice name. :p

Yep we also get tan, ash and (wait for it) light brown, brown and dark brown.

At least ours is easier. Any shade of golden except for white or red.

[Marion 01]

What! :p No-one wants to comment on the pretty TTS

OK t-time, I love the two TT pics you showed, but then I am biased anyway.

Marion01

[Liath]

I just thank my lucky stars they dont have a breed standard for humans..otherwise alot of us would have been PTS or neutered at birth!

[Liath]

Over vaccination may be a cause of dogs developing allergies, so on that one you may be correct.

Out of curiosity what is classed as 'over vaccination'?

[TessiesTracey]

Has anyone mentioned merle Staffordshire Bull Terriers?

(I did do a search on the topic, but it didn't come up with any!).

Not a colour recognised by the UK Kennel Club (registrations refused from 05/01/2010), and not one I'd like to see in the breed, but it has turned up nontheless (good old cross breeding for ya! tic).

[Kalevi]

I believe PINK is a fault in Poodles :p

Nope, I believe it is a fault in the owner

Hahah - too funny, and so so wrong!!!

[Sayreovi]

Tollers come in buff and brown tri colour as well, some even have black tipped fur.

Both the tri's were from the same litter, one of the other pups had black tipped fur as a pup which went away when he got his adult coat, and there were clear reds in there as well.

All 3 variations are a DQ due to that Tollers need to be a reddy orange colour to do what they were bred for, can't remember who posted but Tollers need not have a white tail tip. It is desirable but our standard states that a dog of otherwise high quality should not be penalised for lack of white and a Toller with no white at all is fairly uncommon as it is what sets the breed apart IMO, though two dogs of equal standing being judged, the one with the white would win . The breed needs dogs that have minimal white otherwise the dogs with alot of white can't be bred as too breed two high white dogs together you would end up with Tollers with BC markings.

Similar concept with what Boxer breeders face, alot of white is flashy but can be annoying when the dog who would suit yours best is also very flashy :p

ETA: Excuse the little black Lab puppy

Edited November 4, 2010 by tollersowned

[Simply Grand]

Do healthy dogs really get put down because of colour? Why can't they just be pet homed? That's so sad... unless there are serious health issues of course.

They used to be. I don't know any breeders who it these days but I think it happens less often at least.

I wouldn't think twice to make sure a black and tan, liver, blue or fawn doesn't make it past the first few hours. I'd be taking a serious look at how they've come about and making sure I take measure to prevent them popping up again.

Are you serious?!? Why couldn't you just pet home, desex before you let the pup go if you're that worried?!?! Why kill it? You could still take a serious look at how they've come aobut and take measures to prevent them popping up again.

ETA - ok, I reacted before I read the whole thread. I've now seen your reasoning. I do not agree with it. Will continue reading though...

Edited November 4, 2010 by Saxonpup

[Remarkabull]

Do healthy dogs really get put down because of colour? Why can't they just be pet homed? That's so sad... unless there are serious health issues of course.

They used to be. I don't know any breeders who it these days but I think it happens less often at least.

I wouldn't think twice to make sure a black and tan, liver, blue or fawn doesn't make it past the first few hours. I'd be taking a serious look at how they've come about and making sure I take measure to prevent them popping up again.

Are you serious?!? Why couldn't you just pet home, desex before you let the pup go if you're that worried?!?! Why kill it? You could still take a serious look at how they've come aobut and take measures to prevent them popping up again.

If other breeders had taken that approach then ppl like my SIL wouldn't have and breed 'rare' blue and blue fawn SBT's and sell the pups for around $2500 each! It makes me so mad when she brags about one of her bitches being pregnant and so far they have always had c-sections and a high mortality rate. She is registered and has a prefix but really has no idea other than there is alot of money to be made if any of the pups survive! Her male dog is HUGE (not tall, but massive head and shoulders) definately not breed standard!

[♪♫LMBC♫♪]

Edited to add Google is of no help to me but just taking a stab in the dark here, eye and hip issues are the most common problems in the breed and blue eyed dogs would have be more prone to eye issues.

Sibes don't have to be white to have blue eyes, so I don't think that would have anything to do with it.

They are beautiful though :p

[Pointees]

White dobermann

Another color that exists in Dobermans is the white or light colored cream dog. The white doberman pinscher was created from inbreeding and are considered partial albino dobermans. It’s common knowledge that these white dobermans have health problems and behavioural issues. They commonly have skin and eye sight problems like photo sensitivity. As a result of not being sure of it’s surroundings at times, this leads some dogs to fear biting. Some countries have banned the breeding of this dog mutation and breeders are encouraged not to breed for this color. It is seen as inhumane to the dog due to the serious health concerns.

The white Doberman does look unique and interesting but again care should be taken that breeders avoid introducing these dogs into their bloodlines. Consumers and dog lovers also need to be educated and avoid purchasing these dogs and made aware that these white dogs should not command a higher sale price.

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=htt...h:1%26prmd%3Div

OMG, what an interesting looking dobe.

long haired rottweiler

:p It's a Cavalier on steroids!!

What a handsome looking dog though.

that red rottie doesnt look anything like a pedigree

panda shepherd

red shep

Absolutely loving the red shep and the panda shep.

Not a fault, but not common - Apricot Pug:

I also found a white:

And chocolate:

This one is apparently silver:

I'm not entirely sure all of them are pugs though

The silver is amazing.

Its so stunning.

It reminds me of an iron grey mini lop (rabbit)

Picture attached below is a mini lop in the Uk, the colour is rare and isn't showable (I believe) correct me if I'm wrong.

Although are stunning to look at.

[ozjen]

I just thank my lucky stars they dont have a breed standard for humans..otherwise alot of us would have been PTS or neutered at birth!

:p Often tell my parents that if they had been dogs I would never have bred them, given what they produced. Me included.

[ozjen]

For anyone interested in white, here are some pictures of my girl at various ages showing how the pigmentation on her face has changed. Sometimes it's hard to tell what they're going to look like when they're older! She is still missing a tiny bit of pigment on the inside of her eyerims and ended up with some black splotches.

Wuffles she actually looks like she has some light shading over her eye and extending down to almost her nose on one side or is this just the photo giving that impression. A cryptic merle perhaps?

Looks so much better with the dark pigmentation, and safer in our climate.

[Skruffy n Flea]

I just thank my lucky stars they dont have a breed standard for humans..otherwise alot of us would have been PTS or neutered at birth!

:p Often tell my parents that if they had been dogs I would never have bred them, given what they produced. Me included.

[Skruffy n Flea]

i am very much enamoured by the DQ'd breeds in this thread but i very much understand and appreciate the need for breeders to keep certain breed types out of the public eye --- i too, as a novice --- would be as gutted to hear of a noob channeling breed stock for the sake of appearance as opposed to a dog's health and well-being...

i have learned a great deal since i've had my indescriminantly bred baby girl 'skruffy' and adopted my 'what!??!' boy 'itch' and for all i am worth, i will stand by the most ethical of breeders until i bleed.