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We have been using it for about 7 months now & my dogs don't drink large amounts of water :confused: & their coats are looking great & only two poos a day, nice & firm.

But that's not to say it doesn't agree with all dogs. It gave my Pug really nasty hot spots that took ages to get rid of, my Shih Tzu got yeasty ears and another dog got too fat. However I have two other dogs who seem to do well on it.

It's just trial and error and won't be the right food for all dogs, which the fan club needs to accept instead of appearing confused.

Clyde....no one food agrees with all dogs. If I am confused then it's about the excessive drinking & I would be interested if someone could come up with a reason for it.

Dogs with an upset stomach apparently drink more. It could be giving them indigestion?

http://www.professorshouse.com/Pets/Dogs/Health/Articles/GI-Problems-in-Dogs/

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Excessive drinking in dogs can be caused by roughly 67 different conditions...I would like to know what is, if any, connection with feeding them BH. Also, do they urinate more??? Have they been switched over too quick??? What were they eating before BH & for how long were they being fed XYZ??? What are they eating with it & how much BH do they get???? What treats do they get...it may be a combination of something else they are being fed, which is being doubled up by giving them BH??? Were they maybe not drinking enough before & now they are normal???? I am sure BH, like any other food upsets some dogs, but if I had a dog which couldn't stop drinking, I would have it checked by the vet. It could be one of up to 67 different problems including Diabetes or kidneys. I wouldn't just be saying that since my dogs have been eating such & such a food they have excessive thirst...I would want to know why???? Also if your dog is getting too fat on it, then obviously you are feeding it too much.

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Well Sherel has now posted me 2 samples of BH,& I haven't received either of them. :(

I've emailed Sherel about not receiving the latest one, but I have not received a reply.

Such a pity as I really wanted to try my dogs with it, but don't really want to waste my money buying a large bag of it, without trying them with it first.

It does make me wonder, if I'm having this much trouble just getting a sample of it, what will it be like trying to get a bag of it on a regular basis.

I really want to start changing the dogs over onto something else, so will be going to my pet supply store tomorrow & probably pick up a sample or small bag of Nutro lamb & rice for them to try.

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Excessive drinking in dogs can be caused by roughly 67 different conditions...I would like to know what is, if any, connection with feeding them BH. Also, do they urinate more??? Have they been switched over too quick??? What were they eating before BH & for how long were they being fed XYZ??? What are they eating with it & how much BH do they get???? What treats do they get...it may be a combination of something else they are being fed, which is being doubled up by giving them BH??? Were they maybe not drinking enough before & now they are normal???? I am sure BH, like any other food upsets some dogs, but if I had a dog which couldn't stop drinking, I would have it checked by the vet. It could be one of up to 67 different problems including Diabetes or kidneys. I wouldn't just be saying that since my dogs have been eating such & such a food they have excessive thirst...I would want to know why???? Also if your dog is getting too fat on it, then obviously you are feeding it too much.

If taking the dogs off the food stops the excessive drinking, I'd have thought cause and effect was patently obvious.

Personally I have never held with the 'change food slowly' adage and my dogs have never suffered any ill effects from food changes. I actually don't know anyone with a dog that has. :shrug:

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I do respect your opinions, Poodlefan, I really do, but PA did not say she had taken her dogs off it & the drinking stopped, she said she was going to take them off it, so until she puts them back onto another food we will not know. I also put my two onto it cold turkey, even a 10 week old puppy & neither had any problems. But that is what is advised by vets etc when changing foods or introducing new ones. It is strange that both her dogs had excessive drinking, maybe one got the excessive drinking & the other one copied the behaviour....I have seen that many times before, especially after playing. One dog will rush to the water bowl & the other can't wait to have a go too.

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Sheena, my dogs drank excessive amounts of water on BH. Stopped feeding it and they no longer drank a bowl of water EACH numerous times a day. Nothing wrong with my dogs other than a food that didn't suit them. Pity cos it worked, but the amount they were drinking was insane.

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I do respect your opinions, Poodlefan, I really do, but PA did not say she had taken her dogs off it & the drinking stopped, she said she was going to take them off it, so until she puts them back onto another food we will not know.

There have been other posters who've reported the drinking and that it stopped when the food was discontinued.

I'm not knocking the food - but that is what some who've fed it reported.

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Just thought I'd throw my thoughts in re: excessive drinking on BH. All 4 of mine drink more on BH than they did before but I find it is generally only after they eat their dinner which is only BH, around half hour after food they all drink a huge amount and then they resume normal drinking activity for the rest of the night and next day.

So for mine I wouldn't say excessive drinking more like they need a good drink after they have had their daily feed.

I never noticed this on other foods and we have tried, barf, cooked meat, veg, etc also dry only including pro plan, EP, Nutro and Canidae. All 4 of mine are doing well, too well, I've changed them all to the light variety, one of my girls could stay on the regular but I don't want to have to buy two lots like I have been doing so she will get extra.

All got good healthy shiny coats and lots of energy, and touch wood Cooper has had no blood in his urine for months which the vet thought could hav been caused by bladder crystals.

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The weights of my dogs haven't really altered. The skinny boys are still skinny, Dusty still puts on weight after she's been in season and Shae never changes. Ripley drinks a lot of water after his meal and first thing in the morning but he was fed BH before he came to us so I don't have a yardstick by which to judge if it's an excessive amount or not.

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Personally I have not noticed my dogs drinking more on BH, and I certainly am a very astute owner, so I would notice.

I am wondering what people call excessive drinking. I would have thought that drinking a lot of water is healthy and encouraged, as it is with humans. Yes, there is such a thing as drinking too much water, but if these dogs were doing this they would be dead, so how can it be excessive? Are the dogs drinking amounts that make it inconvenient for the owner ... requiring larger bowls or having to empty during the night?

I believe that in more recent times manufacturers of premium foods have included herbs etc that encourage more drinking for kidney health etc.

I am wondering if some of those that have noticed an increase level of drinking by their dog when switching to BH has been a result of them not drinking enough previously.

My dogs have always been fed on a combination super premium foods and raw, so they have always had a good diet, so is this why I have not noticed an increase in water intake.

If one was switching from a food that is not said to contain ingredients that encourage more water intake, could that be what owners are noticing :confused:

The only time I have ever seen what I would believe to be excessive drinking was when my bitch was on serious doses of cortisone several years ago. But she needed to drink those quantities of water to assist her body to deal with the affect the drugs were having on her organs.

Dogs will drink what they need to drink to remain healthy or they should do. If a food is assisting my dogs to drink plenty of water and is not loaded with salt (BH is not) then I would be happy about this... but that's me. :)

When changing your dog's diet, it is normal to notice a difference in your dog's weight. Every food is different as is every dog. You alter the food intake accordingly... it's not rocket science.

My dogs are cut. They are lovely and muscular and in excellent condition. They have been on BH for almost a year. I am thrilled with the product and believe me, I am not easily convinced by just anything. Yes, I distribute the food, but that happened after I became completely satisfied with the results on my dogs.

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Baileys Mum PM your address and I will send you a sample :)

Thank you so much...I have sent you a PM :)

Got it and have made it up to send over the next few days :)

That's great, thanks for going to the trouble of sending me some....looking foward to reciving it, & I hope the dogs like it. :)

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My guys have been off the BH for a few weeks now and the excessive water drinking has ceased. Out of 3 of my dogs - 2 had the issue, the dogue more than the northern breed.

Dyzney - I am not comfortable having my dogs drinking excessive amounts of water after eating dry food. As for your suggestion that it was an inconvenience to us as owners, well that is rubbish. We have a very large bowl inside our house (where they spend most of their time), our dogue was almost emptying the bowl in one night which was extreme compared to his normal drinking habits. By removing the food we were able to test if it was the issue. In our case the food was identified as the cause as his water consumption resumed to what I consider a normal amount for the 6 years he has lived with us. The same scenario without northern breed who has lived with us for 7 years. I know my dogs and the change was not one I was prepared to live with

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My guys have been off the BH for a few weeks now and the excessive water drinking has ceased. Out of 3 of my dogs - 2 had the issue, the dogue more than the northern breed.

Dyzney - I am not comfortable having my dogs drinking excessive amounts of water after eating dry food. As for your suggestion that it was an inconvenience to us as owners, well that is rubbish. We have a very large bowl inside our house (where they spend most of their time), our dogue was almost emptying the bowl in one night which was extreme compared to his normal drinking habits. By removing the food we were able to test if it was the issue. In our case the food was identified as the cause as his water consumption resumed to what I consider a normal amount for the 6 years he has lived with us. The same scenario without northern breed who has lived with us for 7 years. I know my dogs and the change was not one I was prepared to live with

Winterpaws, I think you misunderstood the tone of my post. I apologise if you felt I was attacking you and you felt you had to describe my thoughts as rubbish. That was not my intention at all. :)

I was merely expressing some thoughts and things I was wondering about. I was not directing anything towards you personally or suggesting anything that I would have thought warranted a defensive response. It was a genuine question, not a suggestion.

I was genuinely to understand what excessive meant to some owners, which you explained well. And then also adding my own experience.

Each owner needs to do what they are comfortable with. After having heard several different people mentioning the drinking over a period of time, I wanted to add my thoughts and queries.

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I do respect your opinions, Poodlefan, I really do, but PA did not say she had taken her dogs off it & the drinking stopped, she said she was going to take them off it, so until she puts them back onto another food we will not know.

There have been other posters who've reported the drinking and that it stopped when the food was discontinued.

I'm not knocking the food - but that is what some who've fed it reported.

Why dont anyone ask the experts how much salt or sodium is in the product

l had a look the other day, l couldnt find it

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Hve just been in contact with Sherel (Black Hawk) & there is NO ADDED Salt in Black Hawk. Also she said to tell anyone that has been trying to contact her for the last week or so, that she has been at the Melbourne Show for the past 10 days & has been without her laptop computer.

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