Puppy Vaccinations

[fuzzy82]

Just wondering if my puppy is protected after just one vaccine? He had his first at about 5 weeks old, and is due for his booster on Oct 23rd.

I assumed he wouldn't be fully protected until he'd had the booster, but in puppy class they don't seem worried about this at all, seeing as they are all outdoors and in areas where other (unvaccinated) dogs could possibly have access.

[fuzzy82]

Oh, and also wondering if I can start him on Revolution as a heartworm preventative now, or if he needs to be older? He is 13 weeks.

[Dju]

Yeeeaah. I was wondering about this too when registering for puppy preschool. They said that the time between 8-12weeks is the best time to go there but I don't think Hugo would be fully protected until his second shot at 12 weeks. It's really confusing, I'm not sure what sort of information I'm being fed here.

[OSoSwift]

He does need another vaccination and the reason being is all puppues have different levels of immunity that run out at different times. So he may still have maternal antibodies, he may not. If he had maternal antibodies when he was vaccinated then the first vaccine wouldn't have imparted any immunity. 5 weeks is very early for him to have had his first vaccination.

Puppy pre school requires them to be up to date for their age. Having said that it should be held in an environment that is easy to disinfect and clean to reduce the risk of them coming in contact with disease. This usually means it is heald indoors on a surface that can be effectivly cleaned with a product that kills PArvo (very important) and other viruses.

[aussielover]

Most puppies have very little to NO immunity after the first vax (6 weeks) due to maternal antibodies interefering with the vaccination.

Puppy class is a relatively low risk environment which is why they accept puppies from 8 weeks.

How old is your puppy? Most puppies usually receive another vax at around 8 weeks of age when they leave the breeder anyway. It does take two weeks for them to mount an appropriate response though.

I would only be carrying the puppy in public places if it had only had one vaccination.

Puppy school is probably fine, but there is always a slight risk.

[OSoSwift]

If he is 13 weeks then he is old enough for his second (and last depending on regime and brand of vaccine used) I would get it done now.

There is a risk with taking puppies to puppy preschool however the benefits of socialisation and training they recieve outweighs the risk IF it is ran properly and correct procedures are carried out for disease prevention.

[tdierikx]

seeing as they are all outdoors and in areas where other (unvaccinated) dogs could possibly have access

This part is a worry... I'd be waiting until at least his 2nd shot has taken effect (2 weeks after the shot) before taking him to an outdoor training area that other dogs frequent...

T.

[stormie]

5 weeks is very early for the first shot.

Generally the regime is 6-8wks, then 12wks then 16wks, though not all vets do the 16wk shot.

The first shot at 5wks would almost definitely have been over ridden by mums antibodies and be rendered useless. I would have had his second shot a little earlier but so long as he's not been taken to any major risk areas, he should be ok.

I'd be worried about the puppy school if its in a place like you described. I'd be wanting the vaccine now.

[poodlefan]

What breed is the puppy?

I would not be using Revolution or any Ivermectin based product on any collie breed. I'd not be using Revolution period unless there is a flea problem in the area.

[Agility Dogs]

What breed is the puppy?

I would not be using Revolution or any Ivermectin based product on any collie breed. I'd not be using Revolution period unless there is a flea problem in the area.

Agree with Poodlefan. My boy doesn't like the Ivermectin (has a reaction to it).

On the Vacc - our breeder recommended the 6 week, 12 week regime. Our vet recommended 6, 12, 16 week, but knows we titre test our older dogs in preference to vaccinating so we compromised and did 6 week, 12 week, TT at 16 weeks with another at 6 months.

I will take pups out and about before their second vaccination, but not to high risk areas. I figure the benefits of socialising early outweigh the risks of infection. I know not everyone will agree, but unless I quarantine the other dogs for that period I don't see a lot of difference.

[B-Q]

I waited till Quinn was 12 weeks and up to date with her vacc's before I started puppy class with her. Because the classes were held out the back carpark of the vet and I just didn't want to risk it.

[matilda1]

I have never managed to find a puppy school that will take pups without being FULLY vacc.

not that i wanted to attend without it...but I always found it 'inconvenient' that they reccomend socialisation at a youmg age , but then you can't really until they are (in my case) 16 weeks old.

I have other dogs at home that I know are not infected with anything so i did the early socialising myself.

[WreckitWhippet]

If he were my pup, I'd waiti until he was over 12 weeks of age, then give him a vacc and one booster at 15 months. In the meantime I'd socialise without taking him to high risk places like dog parks and other areas where dogs frequent.

[bridie]

Just wondering if my puppy is protected after just one vaccine? He had his first at about 5 weeks old, and is due for his booster on Oct 23rd.

I assumed he wouldn't be fully protected until he'd had the booster, but in puppy class they don't seem worried about this at all, seeing as they are all outdoors and in areas where other (unvaccinated) dogs could possibly have access.

I would think this very risky,I wouldn't do it,hell what other stray dogs walk etc on this ground when school is not held?????? & what they may be carrying & leave to infect your puppy,you could pick parvo up on your shoes,omg it only takes one dog to infect yours.I've been advised by my vet that "they" are not fully protected immediately either,I'd wait a week later.....heh what's a couple of weeks to be safe & sure.Others have advised re vaccs.

[fuzzy82]

I have signed him up to 3 different puppy classes, to socialise him as much as possible, and only one puppy class is held indoors. The other two are outdoors in grassy areas, so would be pretty much impossible to disinfect. One of the outdoors ones is in a fenced in area around the club house, but I don't see what would stop anyone from going in there when there are no classes being held. Not sure if there is any kind of fence around the other outdoors one.

But then, I have another dog and I take her for walks every day (she is fully vaccinated of course) but if she sniffs some other dog's poo while we are out, then she could possibly carry the parvo virus back into the house and infect puppy... I haven't taken puppy out anywhere except puppy class, but he's hardly quarantined, because of my other dog that goes out... Even if I didn't have any other dog, there is still the possibility of me stepping in something while I am out and him then chewing my shoes and getting it that way. You just can't win can you...

His vaccination certificate says his booster is due on the 23rd, he will be 13 weeks on the 22nd, so I thought that was a bit strange too. I thought you're supposed to leave 4 weeks between the first and second vaccination, but in his case it's about 8 weeks between them....

[Golden Rules]

I have signed him up to 3 different puppy classes, to socialise him as much as possible, and only one puppy class is held indoors. The other two are outdoors in grassy areas, so would be pretty much impossible to disinfect. One of the outdoors ones is in a fenced in area around the club house, but I don't see what would stop anyone from going in there when there are no classes being held. Not sure if there is any kind of fence around the other outdoors one.

But then, I have another dog and I take her for walks every day (she is fully vaccinated of course) but if she sniffs some other dog's poo while we are out, then she could possibly carry the parvo virus back into the house and infect puppy... I haven't taken puppy out anywhere except puppy class, but he's hardly quarantined, because of my other dog that goes out... Even if I didn't have any other dog, there is still the possibility of me stepping in something while I am out and him then chewing my shoes and getting it that way. You just can't win can you...

His vaccination certificate says his booster is due on the 23rd, he will be 13 weeks on the 22nd, so I thought that was a bit strange too. I thought you're supposed to leave 4 weeks between the first and second vaccination, but in his case it's about 8 weeks between them....

My puppy is a few days over 10 weeks old. He just had his second vaccination a couple of days ago. The reason he had his second vaccination so young was because his breeders gave him the first vaccination at 6 weeks, and I believe it IS important to have the second one done 4 weeks later.

I believe the immunity from the first vaccination starts to drop after 4 weeks, which is why vets recommend 4 weeks spacers between vaccinations.

I have done a lot of research (in the last few weeks particularly) regarding vaccinations and emailed Jean Dodds for her opinion as well.

Because my puppy is only having the 2 vaccination regime, he is now finished until he gets his 12 monthly booster, thereafter it will be every 3 years until age 8.

I may have him titre tested in another 5 weeks just out of interests sake.

Re the puppy classes, mine started at 8 weeks for one lot and 9 weeks for the other (I'm taking him to two different classes).

One is outside (trainer's back yard) and the other is inside (vet clinic).

It is a calculated risk sometimes as to where you take your puppy, but the socialisation is hugely important between weeks 8 to 12, so I take a few risks.

I also have another dog and between us we could be walking in all sorts of bugs etc from the local dog parks etc ..... so

Best of luck with your puppy fuzzy! ;)

[bridie]

I have signed him up to 3 different puppy classes, to socialise him as much as possible, and only one puppy class is held indoors. The other two are outdoors in grassy areas, so would be pretty much impossible to disinfect. One of the outdoors ones is in a fenced in area around the club house, but I don't see what would stop anyone from going in there when there are no classes being held. Not sure if there is any kind of fence around the other outdoors one.

But then, I have another dog and I take her for walks every day (she is fully vaccinated of course) but if she sniffs some other dog's poo while we are out, then she could possibly carry the parvo virus back into the house and infect puppy... I haven't taken puppy out anywhere except puppy class, but he's hardly quarantined, because of my other dog that goes out... Even if I didn't have any other dog, there is still the possibility of me stepping in something while I am out and him then chewing my shoes and getting it that way. You just can't win can you...

His vaccination certificate says his booster is due on the 23rd, he will be 13 weeks on the 22nd, so I thought that was a bit strange too. I thought you're supposed to leave 4 weeks between the first and second vaccination, but in his case it's about 8 weeks between them....

Yes,I hear you & understand,all you can do is not take unnecessary risks.

Some-thing rather odd about your vet & vaccs.

This year I had fogotten one of mine to get her 2nd C4,because it was a 2 month lapse,not one month, I then had to have another one...C4,it is because the immunity is null & void after 4 weeks,then the final one C5 a month after this. I was quite surprised that I had to do this,that won't happen again,until this happened I assumed be it 1 month,6 weeks-2 months it wouldn't matter,so this means she has had 4 vaccs for the year.

I like them to be protected but I don't like over dosing them .

I'd be double checking re 8 weeks between vaccs,you need to know.

[WreckitWhippet]

The 8 weeks between vaccs is fine. The pup probably has no immunity at the moment, because of the first vacc being given at 5 weeks. If the pup were to be vaccinated now at 13 weeks, that would be the only vacc it would need until it reaches 15 months.

[stormie]

I don't believe the vaccines necessarily need to be done four weeks apart. The dates are to do with the pups immunity carried from mum.

So at about 6-8weeks, the immunity can start to fade in some dogs, so a shot is given then, to give those who have none from mum, immunity. If they still have mums, then the vaccine is over ridden by mums and is useless.

In most dogs, the antibodies from mum have faded by about the 12wk mark, so they have another one here. If mums immunity has gone, the vaccine will work and they'll have antibodies.

In some, mum's immunity can stick around longer than 12weeks, particularly in black and tan dogs for some reason. So this is why another shot is often given at this time, in case mums antibodies have stuck around till around this point.

I'm not sure you can titre test for maternal antibodies, so the only way to really know whether the puppy shots have been successful, is to titre test after. So technically you could titre test after each puppy shot to know when the vaccine was successful, but that could prove expensive.

In very high parvo areas, there has actually been a suggestion to vacc every two weeks, to ensure you 'catch' the pup at the time the maternal antibodies have worn off.

There are some vaccines which claim to over ride maternal antibodies, which they say can be finished at 10wks. As for the other types of vaccines though, I wouldn't risk stopping at 10wks unless you titre test and know for sure the vaccine was successful. If the pup still had maternal antibodies at this age, the vaccine would be useless and without another shot, the pup could be total susceptible.

[Moselle]

Most puppies have very little to NO immunity after the first vax (6 weeks) due to maternal antibodies interefering with the vaccination.

Puppy class is a relatively low risk environment which is why they accept puppies from 8 weeks.

How old is your puppy? Most puppies usually receive another vax at around 8 weeks of age when they leave the breeder anyway. It does take two weeks for them to mount an appropriate response though.

I would only be carrying the puppy in public places if it had only had one vaccination.

Puppy school is probably fine, but there is always a slight risk.

Most pups are vaccinated at 6 weeks of age which IMO is too young anyway due to maternal antibodies neutralising the vaccine. They usually get their 2nd shot 4 weeks later and the third shot another 4 weeks later. By rights they should be vaccinated for the 1st time at 8 weeks followed by another shot 4-5 weeks later.

Carrying a pup in a public place can be just as risky as walking the pup itself; best bet is in staying away from a park or an area where other dogs are because if it so happens that the area is infected you would be walking it home on your shoes and infecting your own environment.

It is a catch 22 situation as you would want to socialise the pup as soon as possible and it is risky in doing so.