Registered Breeders..

[Jed]

Geo

I met a beautiful male amstaff on the Goldy a while ago who's owner took it away from some idiots who were trying to fight him, hitting him etc.. to make him aggressive.

These people are seeing them as legal pitbulls (i know many will say they are) i've heard a guy on the beach with a blue amstaff telling people it's a pitbull.

The bad breeders are trying to transpose the pitbulls image onto amstaffs, exactly what the decent people are trying to get away from. The worse thing is, is that image was created by the media, not genuine pitbull breeders. So in reality they're aiming to breed a dog that fits restriction requirements, now i know a couple of pitbull breeders and they're trying to do the complete opposite

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Deja vu - "we" said when there were no pitbulls left to fight, they would fight amstaffs, staffies, rottweilers, boxers, GSD.

And they will.

Pffft to the bans.

One of the problems with the bans were that owners told everyone their dog - no matter what it was - was a pitbull - and they still do it. I guess if you are physically challenged, owning a pit bull or would be pitbull gives you a bit of street cred

Good breeders whether they breed pitbulls or pekinese, always try to do the right thing.

[poodlemum]

Very good post Steve. As usual

One simple, (but not foolproof, what is ?) way of checking for problems is to phone someone who has a pup from every litter you have bred a year or so later & ask. Some you hear from forever but not always.

I have done this for years. They can be quite suprised but I just explain that I always check on my breeding to see if any health issues have cropped up that are not able to be tested for as it helps me to know.

They are always quite chatty & friendly & honest.

So far good reports for the last 7 years I have been doing this.

Winning the shows is a delightful bonus but health & welfare has to come first.

This is a great idea, Christina - I try to keep in touch with my puppy buyers, as well. Still get the occasional email from someone who bought a puppy from me 15 years ago!

[ellz]

I noticed a "registered breeder" selling puppies on adelaide gumtree. I figured she must be "registered" with the local council ie permission from them to breed dogs on her place or similar. I phoned up SACA who said that "registered breeders" with them - would have waiting lists and would not need to advertise in internet classifieds. The SACA lady said that all puppies in a litter had to be registered too even if it was "limited register". The gumtree ad had no breeder prefix and was fuzzy about what breed the dogs were (arguably cross breeds).

A lot of people think they're getting a dog with "papers" or the parent dogs have "papers" and the "papers" turn out to be vet vaccination certificates, council rego, or something the breeder mocked up on their own computer.

Forgive me saying so, but that's the biggest load of codswallop I've ever seen!!! I've been a registered breeder for over 17 years and have ALWAYS had to do some advertising to sell my puppies (possibly because I don't show). I think that SACA saying that borders on defamatory - implying that anyone who has to advertise must be a BYB.

I agree entirely!

I have frequently placed ads on places where BYBers and millers tend to congregate. For two reasons, firstly because it gives the BYBers and millers a "run for their money" and gives puppy people the option to purchase a dog from somebody who will hopefully provide a better puppy and WAY better "after sales' service" than the others and secondly because it makes economic sense to have ads where the puppy people are going to look when they're in the market for a puppy.

I have also placed ads when I don't have puppies in an effort to be in a position to educate puppy purchasers and hopefully steer them in the right direction when it comes to selecting a new family member.

Advertising there doesn't mean you are legally bound to sell a puppy, but it puts you in the right place to at least be able to ask the right questions.

[shortstep]

It makes no difference if you breed lots or hardly any though the more you breed the more chance you have of spotting a problem and being able to take adequate steps to eliminate it . Much harder if you only have a couple of dogs and only breed a litter a year. It makes no difference if you advertise them in newspapers or websites.

it makes no difference if you show them, or work them or do agility with them. In fact it makes no difference if you are registered with a CC as a breeder or whether you put your puppies out with rego papers.

I would say almost impossible when breeders are severely limited in the number of dogs they can keep or run on. They really need to keep several lines going each with slightly (or more) different genetics. Then they are able to select away from any lines that are linked back to any problems that may develop. If you only have a couple of dogs, you have no where to turn when problems arise. Now spread this same severe limitation of dogs across all the breeders in a breed, yikes! Everyone will be stuck with very limited directions to turn. Talk about decreasing genetic diversity and promoting the breeding of sick dogs! It is a McGreevy nightmare on steroids!

[Jed]

It makes no difference if you breed lots or hardly any though the more you breed the more chance you have of spotting a problem and being able to take adequate steps to eliminate it . Much harder if you only have a couple of dogs and only breed a litter a year. It makes no difference if you advertise them in newspapers or websites.

it makes no difference if you show them, or work them or do agility with them. In fact it makes no difference if you are registered with a CC as a breeder or whether you put your puppies out with rego papers.

I would say almost impossible when breeders are severely limited in the number of dogs they can keep or run on. They really need to keep several lines going each with slightly (or more) different genetics. Then they are able to select away from any lines that are linked back to any problems that may develop. If you only have a couple of dogs, you have no where to turn when problems arise. Now spread this same severe limitation of dogs across all the breeders in a breed, yikes! Everyone will be stuck with very limited directions to turn. Talk about decreasing genetic diversity and promoting the breeding of sick dogs! It is a McGreevy nightmare on steroids!

Yep. Breeders breed so few litters now (because of the restriction in numbers) that problems from recessive genes are not likely to show up - but someone else probably gets them - most pups sold do not breed, so you can contact them all you like, but you wont be much further ahead most of the time. Everyone is limited in their direction.

McGreevey wants to promote McGreevey and McGreevey's suppositions, whether they are right, or good for dogs or not. And as far as I can see, they are not right.

The problems that purebred dogs have is that there were too many McGreevey's over the past 30 years, and too many people believed in them. They wore the suits of decency, but underneath was the attitude of predators, and they did get their own way.

[shortstep]

Yep. Breeders breed so few litters now (because of the restriction in numbers) that problems from recessive genes are not likely to show up - but someone else probably gets them - most pups sold do not breed, so you can contact them all you like, but you wont be much further ahead most of the time. Everyone is limited in their direction.

McGreevey wants to promote McGreevey and McGreevey's suppositions, whether they are right, or good for dogs or not. And as far as I can see, they are not right.

The problems that purebred dogs have is that there were too many McGreevey's over the past 30 years, and too many people believed in them. They wore the suits of decency, but underneath was the attitude of predators, and they did get their own way.

LOL Oh so true!! But poor McGreevy, he is being outdated now because the new hero message for today is massive spay neuter laws and severe limitations on breeders to make good choices. Does not jive with what he has presented that we need to increase genetic diversity. Think how useless a national wide microchip mandated vet input disease databank for the Uni to make EBV's with will be, when there is no choice of intact dogs to use in the EBV breeding scheme.

It must be very hard being a animal rights activist these days. Swing to the left and you are a hero, but in no time you are just not left or radical enough and end up looking like a conservative animal abuser.

Things are moving along fast eh?

[fungrzz]

It's all good and well to say that puppy buyers need to do their research - but can someone offer some pointers on just *how* we should go about researching? and how do you find out if someone is "reputable"?

I mean even on Dogz Online website there are so many breeders listed! I find it so confusing because I dont even know where to start. I mean when you contact someone it's very rare that they come across nasty/unethical or generally unknowledgable about the breed...?