OSoSwift Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 Hmm I don't think so. Rommi will counter surf and scab any food items possible. That is a little of a breed characteristic, but very annoying. Other than that she is very very good. LEwis I got a bit older so cannot take credit for, he does have a couple of issues, tha main one whinging and yelling if he is crated and I am trying to do something with Rommi, and counter surfing. I think it is all subjective though, some people don't like some things that others let go. I also think that as each dog is an individual it is hard to have a dog that is 100% perfect. Also a dogs idea of being 100% good and ours can differ dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrietta Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 Well, I've only done it once to date and I don't think I could've stuffed it up more if I had tried... in terms of temperament/socialisation issues. I do, however, have a very spunky and clever dog who is perfect for my family in our family situation. With no real bad habits at home... except for maybe a penchant for barking which we closely monitor. So I have a great dog at home, but unfortunately I can't do the things I always want to do outside the home, although we still manage to have a lot of fun. And what I have learnt has made me a better owner. There is a heap of room for improvement for me starting with getting a dog from a great breeder or rescue, but I don't think I'll ever have a 100% perfect dog. I know there are some mistakes I will never repeat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badboyz Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 Yes - my Charm was pretty much perfect. Happy, friendly, rarely barked (only ever if necessary) and then would stop, didn't jump, steal, destroy, wander, accepted new situations with grace, easy whelper and natural mother to any babies or yongsters, the leader of the pack who never had to push anyone around to prove it. Never caused fights (but did join in for support on a couple of occasions though was easily disengaged). While she wasn't great at typical obedience commands (sit/stay/roll over) she did need to be as she was generally a great dog. She is the one that converted me to the shar pei breed. All of my shar pei have been pretty easy dogs to live with compared to any other breed I have owned, but she was the closest to perfect. Miss her so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastus_froggy Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 My heart dog was totally amazing, so easy going and nothing ever phased him, he loved other animals, didn't dig, didn't chew, didn't pull on lead, was great with kids, he was gentle yet protective. He is the reason I will never own another Rotty, I don't think it would be fair to the dog as I would have possibly unreasonable expectations of it. ICE And this is Chevy, my bf's dog, he is another dog that is just so chilled with life, easy to train, loves everything - and just couldn't be bothered to do anything naughty. A darn good dog considering his lack of training pre me entering his life. His only let down is that when he is playing he sometimes gets over excited and crashes into you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monah Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 I don't and can't claim that we brought up Mungo with zero bad habits. Mungo was a Deerhound and I think bad habits would have been too much effort for him. :D He was a really lovely, happy easy going boy - he was the perfect pup - no chewing ,no digging, great recall, no lead pulling, loved everyone including cats and other dogs , didn't bark or growl and grew into a laid-back giant hairy rug. His only downfall was going to bone cancer at just 5 years old. Very sad. xxx This is exactly how my wolfies were too Bad habits etc. did not compute So easy!!! Lovely lovely Maybe I'm not hard to please :D I consider a dog perfect (well even my BAD girl is perfect to me) when they have a perfect temperament. Mine have never won training or doggy sports and I only showed wolfhounds (who did extremely well ). Even so, I never had any who are difficult to groom, aggressive, digging, barking, nervy, unfriendly, who escape, attack, etc. dogs. I don't consider that up to me either, all had rock solid temps. SO does my spin, although she can be naughty... but I still think she's perfect as she' soooooo laid back ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 So i was at dog training today and i was wondering has anyone got it 100% right, have your brought up a dog that has zero bad habits or issues? Obviously im not talking about rescues or mature dogs Have you ever raised a dog from a pup that is obedient with no problems? Is it a common thing? I guess i would define bad habits as the basics food aggression, pulls when walking, whines/whinges/barks when crated or waiting for something, counter surfers etc. I know there are members here who have done REMARKABLE things with mature dogs/rescues etc Shell and Zero spring immediately to mind. For those people, is there anything else you would improve in your dog or do you think that they are 100% successfully rehabbed? Alternatively do you think that this is something that may be subjective - something that you find acceptable with your dog (leading you to think you have a dog with no bad habits or issues) would be unacceptable for another dog owner? If you have id love to hear about it and if you have managed it with every dog. If not what will you change with your next dog? Why should it be obvious? A dog's temperament is a result of its genes mostly. And a dog can be wonderfully behaved in one person's hands, and behave very undesirably with another. I have never owned or raised the perfect dog, but I think the best way to get a great dog is to buy the right dog in the first place, work it and love it, and try to avoid doing anything to traumatise it. Get a dog from a great line of dogs. For the reason i used obviously see where i have bolded. I am firstly specifically requesting if people have raised a puppy to adult hood without making any errors or causing any hang ups or problems. Or if they have done everything right and there are problems anyhow. As to the second sentence ive bolded that where i was inquiring about adult rescue dogs with issues and weather they are rehabbed 100% I find it interesting reading peoples opinions about what makes an ideal dog and what issues are show stoppers. Im not trying to say anyone is right or wrong as it is ALL opinions based. I find dog behavior and training and interactions with people very interesting. How would people know whether their dog's behaviour is caused by genetics or a mistake they made? There are a lot of people that claim that their dog's temperament or faults is a result of its upbringing (or because its a rescue), when often the two biggest factors in the dog's behaviour are its temperament and its current management, not necessarily how the dog was raised. Talking about rehab just confuses the issue. Every dog is in the equivalent of rehab every day if somebody is working with that dog. I just think your line of questioning reinforces the common myth that it is people that train dogs to be what they are more than breeding them to be what they are. Even rescue dogs have genes, the rescue dog is not just a product of neglect or abuse or however it was raised. Being a purebred forum here, I would like to say it again. If you want a great dog, buy a great dog from a great line of dogs. And be proud you bought the right dog, don't take all the credit (or blame) of thousands of years of selective breeding, just cause you do a little obedience training with the dog, or make a mistake with its training or management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 Jedi is pretty damn close. I can't think of any issues with his behaviour. He's too cool to cuddle me now that he has won best neuter in show. Big issue in my eyes. Geez, I better go bring him back down to earth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spottychick Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Yep, i have one ,and i think he must be a broken dally, or just pure luck on my part He has never been a chewer, barker, puller. He is rock solid with other dogs, will tell off a pup if it leaps all over him, has taught many fosters.But will avoid conflict. He is outside most of the time, i can leave the back door open and he won't come in. He has brilliant recall. He is tolerant of most things. He will bark if anyone comes near the house. He has started to come in and sleep, and he surfes the kitchen floor for scraps, then heads to his bed and nods off . I can honestly say he is and always has been very easy, he is now 10. ( Won't mention he hates cats ) Juice I've had two dalmatians that are as near to perfect as you could want. My old girl was like yours - she was even friendly with birds and cats and my cat DJ used to sleep curled up with her (sometimes on her head). She once attacked an intruder and was a fantastic guard dog but otherwise the most gentle dog you would ever meet. She was the top dog, even when she was 18 years old and doddery and an incredibly brave but sensible dog. She had perfect recall and manners. Never stole stuff, got into bins etc. I could call her back from anything and she would stop on a dime if I told her to. She had absolute trust in me and would do anything I asked of her. She was my heart dog and I don't think there'll ever be another like her. But altho I took her to training classes in her younger years, I don't think that was why she was so good. SHe was just one of those dogs. Pepper tho, is also pretty much perfect. Apart from being something of a chatter box (which annoys other people more than it does me) I can't think of anything I'd want to change in this girl. SHe was a snap to train from when she was a tiny puppy and I think I've only ever had to growl at her, I mean like seriously growl and give her a slight smack, once - and that was recently when she went OTT with the puppy. Since then she's been great with him and I forgave her that anyway because I've asked an awful lot of her in the last year or so. Pepper, I have to say, learnt a lot from my heart dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dust Angel Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 So i was at dog training today and i was wondering has anyone got it 100% right, have your brought up a dog that has zero bad habits or issues? Obviously im not talking about rescues or mature dogs Have you ever raised a dog from a pup that is obedient with no problems? Is it a common thing? I guess i would define bad habits as the basics food aggression, pulls when walking, whines/whinges/barks when crated or waiting for something, counter surfers etc. I know there are members here who have done REMARKABLE things with mature dogs/rescues etc Shell and Zero spring immediately to mind. For those people, is there anything else you would improve in your dog or do you think that they are 100% successfully rehabbed? Alternatively do you think that this is something that may be subjective - something that you find acceptable with your dog (leading you to think you have a dog with no bad habits or issues) would be unacceptable for another dog owner? If you have id love to hear about it and if you have managed it with every dog. If not what will you change with your next dog? Why should it be obvious? A dog's temperament is a result of its genes mostly. And a dog can be wonderfully behaved in one person's hands, and behave very undesirably with another. I have never owned or raised the perfect dog, but I think the best way to get a great dog is to buy the right dog in the first place, work it and love it, and try to avoid doing anything to traumatise it. Get a dog from a great line of dogs. For the reason i used obviously see where i have bolded. I am firstly specifically requesting if people have raised a puppy to adult hood without making any errors or causing any hang ups or problems. Or if they have done everything right and there are problems anyhow. As to the second sentence ive bolded that where i was inquiring about adult rescue dogs with issues and weather they are rehabbed 100% I find it interesting reading peoples opinions about what makes an ideal dog and what issues are show stoppers. Im not trying to say anyone is right or wrong as it is ALL opinions based. I find dog behavior and training and interactions with people very interesting. How would people know whether their dog's behaviour is caused by genetics or a mistake they made? There are a lot of people that claim that their dog's temperament or faults is a result of its upbringing (or because its a rescue), when often the two biggest factors in the dog's behaviour are its temperament and its current management, not necessarily how the dog was raised. Talking about rehab just confuses the issue. Every dog is in the equivalent of rehab every day if somebody is working with that dog. I just think your line of questioning reinforces the common myth that it is people that train dogs to be what they are more than breeding them to be what they are. Even rescue dogs have genes, the rescue dog is not just a product of neglect or abuse or however it was raised. Being a purebred forum here, I would like to say it again. If you want a great dog, buy a great dog from a great line of dogs. And be proud you bought the right dog, don't take all the credit (or blame) of thousands of years of selective breeding, just cause you do a little obedience training with the dog, or make a mistake with its training or management. Thanks for your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I don't believe mine was luck, or anything i did in particular, i think he was always going to be an even tempered dog. However, many people often comment on how well behaved my dogs are, and how relaxed they are, so i also think it has to do with how they are treated, exercise, etc., to a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyPaws Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Attacks her self when she hears wolfs howling - wow! I'm ashamed to admit it, but yes. She stops, listens, makes a strangled half-howl, and then snarls and turns sideways to bite her own legs. Once her teeth make contact she yelps, then crouches down whimpering. If she's facing a mirror or reflective surface she'll bark at herself until the howling stops. She also does it during the intro of CM shows. Maybe she was abandoned at birth by a pack of wolves, and has traumatic memories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Shepherd~ Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I couldnt be happier with my 2, extremely low stress well behaved ladies. The Whippet can be a shit at the park with tails and steals unsupervised but they both have superb manners. All credit to Alpinarc who bred my WGSD, they are all lovely dogs and a lot of thought went in to the breeding. As for Charlie, we dont know anything about her breeding and has been a lot more work at the same age as the WGSD. The WGSD was an older pup when I got her, but I have the benefit of being a stay at home mum with indoor dogs who get constant training in the normal rhythm of the day in a stimulating environment with kids coming and going. that has given me the opportunity to desensitise and avoid over excitement. Kimba gets over excited when she goes to school, pulling down to the oval but when she gets down there she switches off. It may be a toatlly different scenario if I was a full time worker, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphra Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) My boy Belar who died this year. First puppy I ever raised and I was lucky ... he was a good boy right from 8 weeks old. His idea of being bad was to carry my shoes (undamaged) from the front door to the back. It was nothing to do with my training and everything to do with his lovely nature and sensitive, willing to please temperament. Edited October 18, 2010 by Aphra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I guess it is all in the definition. What some might class as bad behaviour, others might class as character or normal breed behaviour. For example, my Roger is probably my dream dog. I bred him and he has spent many, many hours with me in his short life. I don't see any major character flaws or anything other than a sense of humour, yet Mr Ellz says he's a bastard (to which I reply "takes one to know one!" :D). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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