Latest News On Syringomyelia In Cavalier King Charles Spaniels.

[Gretel]

Why let the facts spoil a good story.....

[bet hargreaves]

All I can quote ,is that there were 60 Cavaliers MRI Scanned in February at a Cavalier Seminar,in Australia....

Bet Hargreaves

Here you go again ... misusing information ... and you have been corrected on this one before butas usual you

choose to ignore it.

The 60 Cavaliers were NOT scanned in February. They were scanned over a period of time and the findings were

presented at a February meeting.

A small point I know but it's typical of you Bet ....

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Here is the Exact Quote which is on the Internet.

MRI SCANS of AUSTRALIAN CKCS Breeding Stock shows 50% with SM.

Dr G. CHILDS ,Board Certified Veterinary Neurologist at the Small Animal Specialist Hospital ,in North Ryde , NSW ,Australia,spoke at the CKCS CLUB of NSW about Syringomyelia this Month ,and Reported that of 60 Cavaliers which have been MRI Scanned under the Breeding Protocol ,50% have been found to have Syrinxes on their MRI's

None of these Scanned Dogs had Any Symptoms of SM ,and All were Potential Breeding Stock.Their Syrinxes ranged from from 2mm to over 5mm in Size.

Does it matter if I made a mistake in saying that they were MRI 'd at the CKCS Seminar, the Importatant thing is surely , and must be giving cause for Concern ,is that this Information was given at the CKCS CLUB of NSW , that 60 Cavaliers of Potential Cavalier Breeding Stock ,50% were found to have SM.

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[Dellcara]

Does it matter if I made a mistake in saying that they were MRI 'd at the CKCS Seminar...

Bet Hargreaves

Actually, yes it does matter. If you are going to quote information then get it correct. This is typical of you, and even when you are corrected you ignore it. As can be

seen on any forum you post to.

As always, it's "doom and gloom" ... maybe some people look at the NSW report and say 50% are CLEAR ....

I also noticed you mention one of the posts from this forum on the restricted group CavalierTalk .... why not raise it here Bet? why mention it on a forum

where none of the breeders you contsantly attack are able to reply ?

[bet hargreaves]

Does it matter if I made a mistake in saying that they were MRI 'd at the CKCS Seminar...

Bet Hargreaves

Actually, yes it does matter. If you are going to quote information then get it correct. This is typical of you, and even when you are corrected you ignore it. As can be

seen on any forum you post to.

As always, it's "doom and gloom" ... maybe some people look at the NSW report and say 50% are CLEAR ....

I also noticed you mention one of the posts from this forum on the restricted group CavalierTalk .... why not raise it here Bet? why mention it on a forum

where none of the breeders you contsantly attack are able to reply ?

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I would be so pleased to get an Answere to this, ,how am I attacking Cavalier Breeders when I am saying that the Cavalier Buying Public,should be advised to only buy a Cavalier from a Cavalier Breeder who is Health Testing and following the Breeding Guideline Recommendations, and to see Proof that this is Being Done, how on Earth is this Attacking Cavalier Breeders, is this not Common Sense .

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[Dellcara]

I would be so pleased to get an Answere to this.......

Bet Hargreaves.

how typical .... again you ignore anything that questions something about what you have posted ......

[Jed]

Does it matter if I made a mistake in saying that they were MRI 'd at the CKCS Seminar...

Bet Hargreaves

Actually, yes it does matter. If you are going to quote information then get it correct. This is typical of you, and even when you are corrected you ignore it. As can be

seen on any forum you post to.

As always, it's "doom and gloom" ... maybe some people look at the NSW report and say 50% are CLEAR ....

I also noticed you mention one of the posts from this forum on the restricted group CavalierTalk .... why not raise it here Bet? why mention it on a forum

where none of the breeders you contsantly attack are able to reply ?

LATEST NEWS ON SYRINGOMYELIA IN CAVALIER KING CHARLES SPANIELS.

I would be so pleased to get an Answere to this, ,how am I attacking Cavalier Breeders when I am saying that the Cavalier Buying Public,should be advised to only buy a Cavalier from a Cavalier Breeder who is Health Testing and following the Breeding Guideline Recommendations, and to see Proof that this is Being Done, how on Earth is this Attacking Cavalier Breeders, is this not Common Sense .

Bet Hargreaves.

You are atracking Cavalier breeders because you NEVER post any balanced reporting.

Considering the paucity of MRI scanners for dogs in Aus,I would be surprised if the entire 60 dogs scanned were ALL breeders dogs, or dogs intended for breeding. As I just directed Sunnyflower and her dog to the next SM screening day, I am quite sure other owners with dogs with suspected SM have been directed to other screening days, and those dogs, which were already suspected of having SM were also screened.

No doubt some dogs suspected of having SM would have been scanned privately and not included in those figures.

I actually think you should get together with some of those pet owners you want to help, and breed Cavaliers without any problems for yourself, before the government bans breeding them.

[bet hargreaves]

Does it matter if I made a mistake in saying that they were MRI 'd at the CKCS Seminar...

Bet Hargreaves

Actually, yes it does matter. If you are going to quote information then get it correct. This is typical of you, and even when you are corrected you ignore it. As can be

seen on any forum you post to.

As always, it's "doom and gloom" ... maybe some people look at the NSW report and say 50% are CLEAR ....

I also noticed you mention one of the posts from this forum on the restricted group CavalierTalk .... why not raise it here Bet? why mention it on a forum

where none of the breeders you contsantly attack are able to reply ?

LATEST NEWS ON SYRINGOMYELIA IN CAVALIER KING CHARLES SPANIELS.

I would be so pleased to get an Answere to this, ,how am I attacking Cavalier Breeders when I am saying that the Cavalier Buying Public,should be advised to only buy a Cavalier from a Cavalier Breeder who is Health Testing and following the Breeding Guideline Recommendations, and to see Proof that this is Being Done, how on Earth is this Attacking Cavalier Breeders, is this not Common Sense .

Bet Hargreaves.

You are atracking Cavalier breeders because you NEVER post any balanced reporting.

Considering the paucity of MRI scanners for dogs in Aus,I would be surprised if the entire 60 dogs scanned were ALL breeders dogs, or dogs intended for breeding. As I just directed Sunnyflower and her dog to the next SM screening day, I am quite sure other owners with dogs with suspected SM have been directed to other screening days, and those dogs, which were already suspected of having SM were also screened.

No doubt some dogs suspected of having SM would have been scanned privately and not included in those figures.

I actually think you should get together with some of those pet owners you want to help, and breed Cavaliers without any problems for yourself, before the government bans breeding them.

Jed

Here is a suggestion.

Should the advice from the Cavalier Researchers be listened to.

Not to Breed from a Cavalier before 2.5 years of age and to know the Health Status of the Grand-Parenrs at 5 years of age.

I don't know how this will help the MVD Problem in our Cavalier Breed but it it the only way at the moment, since it is now being believed that there are so many Cavalier Carriers around with the MVD GENES ,and to give the Cavaliers a future , the Genes for both SM and MVD have to be found.

The Breeding of Cavaliers is not like what it used to be,it has to be more Scientific now.

There is to be a Cavalier Seminar held here in London on the 20-11-10 when all the latest Research Information will be being given.

And no, I won't be going , I am still having problems from the Treatment I got for Breast Cancer.

Bet Hargreaves

[Jed]

Fact : There are about 5 to 10 times as many buyers as Cavalier pups from registered breeders who test. In Australia

Fact: The greater number of Cavalier pups have come from byb and puppy farms, who do not give a rats about anything except money

Fact: The people on this thread with problematic Cavaliers did not buy them from reputable breeders

Fact: If they had tried to buy them from reputable breeders, they probably would be out of luck, so everyone understands

Fact: Most registered breeders here sell to people who have bought from them before or to friends, or we sell to the best of 15 enquiries

Fact: This country needs more reputable, ethical breeders, so more litters are bred

Fact: The stuff you write makes no difference to people who want to breed for money, but it actually stops people who are genuine getting into breeding, because they are

frightened away by what you say. Which would be ok if it was true, but it is not.

I hope you are keeping hard copies of what you disseminate, so that you can remind yourself of how much you encouraged the banning of the breed you claimed to like.

I think you can see that too, but you don't see a problem.

I believe the % of cavs scanned with syrinxes is high because a lot of the cavs referrred for scanning are suspected of having SM, or are from lines where an ancestor has been suspected of having SM. And that makes the stats look worse than they are.

It is so expensive to scan in Australia, a lot of breeders would prefer not to breed than to scan - because of the cost. And that means that there are perfectly healthy cavs taken out of the breeding pool because of what unknowing and unthinking people like you write and do.

anyhow, take you advice, get together with a couple of pet owners, and breed your own. You'll have success and pleasure. Good luck.

[WreckitWhippet]

Fact : There are about 5 to 10 times as many buyers as Cavalier pups from registered breeders who test. In Australia

Fact: The greater number of Cavalier pups have come from byb and puppy farms, who do not give a rats about anything except money

Fact: The people on this thread with problematic Cavaliers did not buy them from reputable breeders

Fact: If they had tried to buy them from reputable breeders, they probably would be out of luck, so everyone understands

Fact: Most registered breeders here sell to people who have bought from them before or to friends, or we sell to the best of 15 enquiries

Fact: This country needs more reputable, ethical breeders, so more litters are bred

Fact: The stuff you write makes no difference to people who want to breed for money, but it actually stops people who are genuine getting into breeding, because they are

frightened away by what you say. Which would be ok if it was true, but it is not.

I hope you are keeping hard copies of what you disseminate, so that you can remind yourself of how much you encouraged the banning of the breed you claimed to like.

I think you can see that too, but you don't see a problem.

I believe the % of cavs scanned with syrinxes is high because a lot of the cavs referrred for scanning are suspected of having SM, or are from lines where an ancestor has been suspected of having SM. And that makes the stats look worse than they are.

It is so expensive to scan in Australia, a lot of breeders would prefer not to breed than to scan - because of the cost. And that means that there are perfectly healthy cavs taken out of the breeding pool because of what unknowing and unthinking people like you write and do.

anyhow, take you advice, get together with a couple of pet owners, and breed your own. You'll have success and pleasure. Good luck.

;)

Thank dog for someone with some common sense, who understands the breed and the real picture here is Australia

[shortstep]

OLD NEWS ON CAVS

BET SAYS AGAIN, EXTINCTION IS ONLY POSSIBLE FUTURE FOR CAVS.

that there are so many Cavalier Carriers around with the MVD GENES ,and to give the Cavaliers a future , the Genes for both SM and MVD have to be found.

And we have had this conversation already on this thread.

There is not a snowballs chance in **** that they will find the genes for MVD and SM in the foreseeable future, we do not have any technology that is capable of finding all the genes and trait genes from complex genetic diseases...and you know this.

So if this is your final word on Cavs, then what you want is the end of the breed. I say again, you are just too chicken to come right out and say what your goal is. You want to come off a wanting to help breed when in fact what you want is to scare the heck out all breeders and buyers in order to bring about the end of the breed.

Edited November 12, 2010 by shortstep

[Dellcara]

And we have had this conversation already on this thread.

get used to it .... as with the UK forums BH will post the same thing over and over again ......

[bet hargreaves]

Fact : There are about 5 to 10 times as many buyers as Cavalier pups from registered breeders who test. In Australia

Fact: The greater number of Cavalier pups have come from byb and puppy farms, who do not give a rats about anything except money

Fact: The people on this thread with problematic Cavaliers did not buy them from reputable breeders

Fact: If they had tried to buy them from reputable breeders, they probably would be out of luck, so everyone understands

Fact: Most registered breeders here sell to people who have bought from them before or to friends, or we sell to the best of 15 enquiries

Fact: This country needs more reputable, ethical breeders, so more litters are bred

Fact: The stuff you write makes no difference to people who want to breed for money, but it actually stops people who are genuine getting into breeding, because they are

frightened away by what you say. Which would be ok if it was true, but it is not.

I hope you are keeping hard copies of what you disseminate, so that you can remind yourself of how much you encouraged the banning of the breed you claimed to like.

I think you can see that too, but you don't see a problem.

I believe the % of cavs scanned with syrinxes is high because a lot of the cavs referrred for scanning are suspected of having SM, or are from lines where an ancestor has been suspected of having SM. And that makes the stats look worse than they are.

It is so expensive to scan in Australia, a lot of breeders would prefer not to breed than to scan - because of the cost. And that means that there are perfectly healthy cavs taken out of the breeding pool because of what unknowing and unthinking people like you write and do.

anyhow, take you advice, get together with a couple of pet owners, and breed your own. You'll have success and pleasure. Good luck.

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I would think that now it is acknowledged World Wide that Cavaliers have Two Serious Problems Afflicting the Breed ,SM and MVD.

Nothing can get away from this Fact.

It is up to Cavalier Breeders to Health Test and follow the Breeding Guideline Recommendations for their Cavalier Breeding Stock .

I am not being Unthinking or dont know what I am talking about when I am mentioning this. Just listen to what the Cavalier Researchers into SM and MVD are advising about those Two Health Problems.

What would you suggest should be done, keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best when Breeding Cavaliers.

Surely not!!!!

Those days are now past, the Cavalier Buying Public now know this, and realize that much greater care should be being taken when Breeding Cavaliers.

Bet Hargreaves

[Dellcara]

I am not being Unthinking or dont know what I am talking about when I am mentioning this.

Bet Hargreaves

Actually you are being "unthinking" and you don't know what you're talking about. This is Australia NOT the UK.

What knowledge do you have of Australian breeders?

What knowledge do you have of MRI facilities in Australia?

[Jed]

What Dellcara said

What would you suggest should be done, keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best when Breeding Cavaliers.

Well, I would like to know what you suggest?

It's not my suggestions. If is the fact that black and gloomy posts such as yours make the people who should be breeding stop. The greater majority of Cavaliers in this country show absolutely no signs of SM. 50% may well prove to have syrinxes on MRI, but if they have no symptoms, what's the problem? MVD is not a particular problem with registered dogs, but the vast majority are unregistered. Personally, I don't think doing the scans will lead anywhere. The fact that SM can spontaneously regress is a factor which everyone knows, and ignores. I suppose that is because scanning is the only way forward they see.

SM is not the problem it is in the UK. You have no idea of the difficulty of having any dogs scanned here. You have no idea of the distances either. There is ONE subsidised scanner in the country, and there is no helpful club offering reduced price scans to dogs over 6 - because there are insufficient registered breeders to support anything like that, although they work damned hard to do as much as they can,

It is a toss up whether the puppy numbers reach zero first, or the Government bans the breed.

Just 3,186 registered Cavalier King Charles Spaniels were bred in 2009. That was an increase of over 1,000 since 1986, but when you consider the population of the country has doubled, (about 21million, I think) and 63% own a pet, the numbers bred are absymal, and dropping fast.

According to my rough calculations, approximately 1,000 or more of those 3,186 pups are shipped out of Australia to a pet onshipping company in Hawaii. for delivery to pet shops in Asia.

I would make an educated guess that 20,000 + Cavaliers are bred in Australia annually. if only 3,186 are registered and likely to be health tested, I suggest you buy a bell and ring it on the street corner to get your message to the would be buyers of those 16,000+ cavaliers. Because they are in the majority

There are no where near enough registered dogs being bred to fill demand, the majority are unregistered from puppy factories. These people neither know nor care about SM - how do I know? Because I used to rescue them.

This country is nothing like UK, and you are doing a great deal of damage

I didn't see the pet owners raising money and donating privately to Claire Rusbridge to get this research started either. i saw Breeders doing all that. I saw breeders taking dogs to be scanned to try to establish some points of reference, good or bad.

And the very worst thing is that I see breeders downing tools and walking away, or reducing their litters still further to reduce the possibility of sm.

And sorry, you are totally unthinking, and you have no idea what you are talking about.

You are not reducing SM, you are reducing the number of decent dogs bred.

Edited November 12, 2010 by Jed

[bet hargreaves]

What Dellcara said

What would you suggest should be done, keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best when Breeding Cavaliers.

Well, I would like to know what you suggest?

It's not my suggestions. If is the fact that black and gloomy posts such as yours make the people who should be breeding stop. The greater majority of Cavaliers in this country show absolutely no signs of SM. 50% may well prove to have syrinxes on MRI, but if they have no symptoms, what's the problem? MVD is not a particular problem with registered dogs, but the vast majority are unregistered. Personally, I don't think doing the scans will lead anywhere. The fact that SM can spontaneously regress is a factor which everyone knows, and ignores. I suppose that is because scanning is the only way forward they see.

SM is not the problem it is in the UK. You have no idea of the difficulty of having any dogs scanned here. You have no idea of the distances either. There is ONE subsidised scanner in the country, and there is no helpful club offering reduced price scans to dogs over 6 - because there are insufficient registered breeders to support anything like that, although they work damned hard to do as much as they can,

It is a toss up whether the puppy numbers reach zero first, or the Government bans the breed.

Just 3,186 registered Cavalier King Charles Spaniels were bred in 2009. That was an increase of over 1,000 since 1986, but when you consider the population of the country has doubled, (about 21million, I think) and 63% own a pet, the numbers bred are absymal, and dropping fast.

According to my rough calculations, approximately 1,000 or more of those 3,186 pups are shipped out of Australia to a pet onshipping company in Hawaii. for delivery to pet shops in Asia.

I would make an educated guess that 20,000 + Cavaliers are bred in Australia annually. if only 3,186 are registered and likely to be health tested, I suggest you buy a bell and ring it on the street corner to get your message to the would be buyers of those 16,000+ cavaliers. Because they are in the majority

There are no where near enough registered dogs being bred to fill demand, the majority are unregistered from puppy factories. These people neither know nor care about SM - how do I know? Because I used to rescue them.

This country is nothing like UK, and you are doing a great deal of damage

I didn't see the pet owners raising money and donating privately to Claire Rusbridge to get this research started either. i saw Breeders doing all that. I saw breeders taking dogs to be scanned to try to establish some points of reference, good or bad.

And the very worst thing is that I see breeders downing tools and walking away, or reducing their litters still further to reduce the possibility of sm.

And sorry, you are totally unthinking, and you have no idea what you are talking about.

You are not reducing SM, you are reducing the number of decent dogs bred.

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Jed, my Patience with you has finally Snapped.

To say that even if Cavaliers have been MRI Scanned and have Syrinxes ,but no Symptoms ,What's the Problem.

Do you not understand what the Problem is , a Syrinx Denotes SM.

Oh yes I know what I am talking about , but it is you who is doing Damage to our Cavaliers with your Ignorant Claims.

Bet Hargreaves

[Steve]

How unfortuneate that there has to be angst like this.

I hope the outcome is that breeders do test their dogs for MVD and follow the breeding protocol set down

and that testing for SM becomes a simple and easily accessable affordable test without too many negative side effects for the dogs and the breed.

I agree with what Bet says in regard to owners needing to know breeders test and that they are making ethical and informed decisions in their breeding programs

which includes sharing their information regarding their pedigrees openly.

But I also know the dog world and I think Bet has been a bit lacking in some regards and naive in others.

Personally - I think if its a known issue in the breed - no matter what people should test before they breed them - No matter how hard it is to get the testing done or how much it costs.

If Cavs sell for around the same price as lab's and they have to be hip scored, PRA tested and elbow tested - I dont think how expensive the test is should be an issue - its still less than many breeders have to pay to test their breeding stock.

Most people buying a cav would pay a bit extra on each pup to cover the costs.

However, as its a polygenic and it isnt as easy as it sounds when you have to work with the whole dog and the whole breed ,that testing and test results are not the complete picture no matter what its going to come down to the breeders being ethical and doing the hard bits to get it right.

Telling buyers to ensure the breeders test may make breeders test but it wont make any difference on its own and I think there are other things here which Bet has missed.

Too bad that this goes on publicly because it doesnt do much for the PR of breeders or the breed.

[Jed]

What Dellcara said

What would you suggest should be done, keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best when Breeding Cavaliers.

Well, I would like to know what you suggest?

It's not my suggestions. If is the fact that black and gloomy posts such as yours make the people who should be breeding stop. The greater majority of Cavaliers in this country show absolutely no signs of SM. 50% may well prove to have syrinxes on MRI, but if they have no symptoms, what's the problem? MVD is not a particular problem with registered dogs, but the vast majority are unregistered. Personally, I don't think doing the scans will lead anywhere. The fact that SM can spontaneously regress is a factor which everyone knows, and ignores. I suppose that is because scanning is the only way forward they see.

SM is not the problem it is in the UK. You have no idea of the difficulty of having any dogs scanned here. You have no idea of the distances either. There is ONE subsidised scanner in the country, and there is no helpful club offering reduced price scans to dogs over 6 - because there are insufficient registered breeders to support anything like that, although they work damned hard to do as much as they can,

It is a toss up whether the puppy numbers reach zero first, or the Government bans the breed.

Just 3,186 registered Cavalier King Charles Spaniels were bred in 2009. That was an increase of over 1,000 since 1986, but when you consider the population of the country has doubled, (about 21million, I think) and 63% own a pet, the numbers bred are absymal, and dropping fast.

According to my rough calculations, approximately 1,000 or more of those 3,186 pups are shipped out of Australia to a pet onshipping company in Hawaii. for delivery to pet shops in Asia.

I would make an educated guess that 20,000 + Cavaliers are bred in Australia annually. if only 3,186 are registered and likely to be health tested, I suggest you buy a bell and ring it on the street corner to get your message to the would be buyers of those 16,000+ cavaliers. Because they are in the majority

There are no where near enough registered dogs being bred to fill demand, the majority are unregistered from puppy factories. These people neither know nor care about SM - how do I know? Because I used to rescue them.

This country is nothing like UK, and you are doing a great deal of damage

I didn't see the pet owners raising money and donating privately to Claire Rusbridge to get this research started either. i saw Breeders doing all that. I saw breeders taking dogs to be scanned to try to establish some points of reference, good or bad.

And the very worst thing is that I see breeders downing tools and walking away, or reducing their litters still further to reduce the possibility of sm.

And sorry, you are totally unthinking, and you have no idea what you are talking about.

You are not reducing SM, you are reducing the number of decent dogs bred.

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Jed, my Patience with you has finally Snapped.

To say that even if Cavaliers have been MRI Scanned and have Syrinxes ,but no Symptoms ,What's the Problem.

Do you not understand what the Problem is , a Syrinx Denotes SM.

Oh yes I know what I am talking about , but it is you who is doing Damage to our Cavaliers with your Ignorant Claims.

Bet Hargreaves

You have absolutely no idea. I know what a problem is.

[Jed]

The cost has nothing to do with anything. Fact is unless you live in NSW, the cost of scanning is around $2000 per dog, all up. Problem is, even if all your dogs are A, they are still going to produce 25% of pups with SM.

However, it has nothing to do with costs. Ethical breeders DO NOT WANT TO BREED PUPS WITH SM. So they simply are not breeding.

It's not about buyers suing them, it is about not wanting to breed pups which will grow into dogs which will suffer. It's about tests which give no guarantees.

Phone up some of the established breeders on DOL. You will be lucky to find a pup available. They aren't going to say they have no pups, they will say "none at present".

Meanwhile, it is believed that the rate of SM is much lower in Aust and NZ because of the early dogs imported here. This is why many breeders have never seen SM. Some who say they have never seen it may be lying - but I don't think they all are.

So, whether the cause of SM is discovered or not, it is likely that a way out of, or around the problem may come from Aust or NZ, or both. However, if there are no dogs being bred, forget that. The worrisome thing is that the likely lines to breed away from or around SM are here, but they are not being perpetuated. They are sitting in breeders' yards, going to shows, but not breeding.

Bet is rabbiting on about the % of dogs scanned in Aus who were positive. It hasn't occurred to her that the dogs scanned would have been a high propoertion of dogs from lines where SM is suspected, and dogs like Sunnyflowers, who were advised to have a dog scanned because of possible SM. That woud skew the figures but she doesn't seem to understand that. Or maybe she does.

She certainly paints a skewed picture. Reading her posts, buyers probably think is the dogs have had an MRI, and they can see the results, the pup they buy will be clear of SM. Not so, the MRI guarantees nothing, except that there is a picture of the dog's brain to look at.

[JESSIE]

Genetic health test clearances do not guarantee that Cavalier litters will be disease-free, but the odds in favor of producing genetic disease-free Cavalier puppies are greatly increased when only tested and cleared Cavaliers are bred, and therefore it is irresponsible to the puppies and the buyers to not test and clear all Cavalier King Charles spaniel breeding stock.

Breeders who do not fully health test their dogs and do not follow the breeding protocols are the ones who are damaging the future of the Cavalier King Charles spaniel breed.

Scan your dogs or stop breeding them.These excuses and ill informed remarks disgust me and it is diabolical that you pretend to care. How do we distinguish truth from error when all some breeders do is avoid true responsibility in the name of how a dog looks. These responses authenticate your lack of caring for the dogs you own and breed and you are exposed for your cruel Grandiose delusions to the entire world.

Offspring without SM only occurred when there was at least one parent of Grade A status

There were higher numbers of SM clear offspring it both parents had Grade A

All Grade A* offspring (SM clear over 5 years) had at least one parent that was Grade A

100% of offspring were SM affected if both parents were SM-affected

SM also occurs in Grade A x Grade A crosses (approximately 25%, but this figure might be improved if more older dogs are screened dogs);

Using dogs of unknown status was risky for SM affectedness;

50% of dogs in a Grade A x Unknown cross were SM affected

Matings of Code A CKCS to Code A CKCS have produced 75.9% offspring with no SM.

● Matings of Code A CKCS to either Code D, E, or F CKCS have produced 41.9% offspring with no SM.

● Matings of Code A CKCS to unscanned CKCS have produced 50.0% offspring with no SM.

● Matings of Code D CKCS to Code D, E, or F CKCS have produced no offspring free of SM.

[shortstep]

Genetic health test clearances do not guarantee that Cavalier litters will be disease-free, but the odds in favor of producing genetic disease-free Cavalier puppies are greatly increased when only tested and cleared Cavaliers are bred, and therefore it is irresponsible to the puppies and the buyers to not test and clear all Cavalier King Charles spaniel breeding stock.

Breeders who do not fully health test their dogs and do not follow the breeding protocols are the ones who are damaging the future of the Cavalier King Charles spaniel breed.

Scan your dogs or stop breeding them.These excuses and ill informed remarks disgust me and it is diabolical that you pretend to care. How do we distinguish truth from error when all some breeders do is avoid true responsibility in the name of how a dog looks. These responses authenticate your lack of caring for the dogs you own and breed and you are exposed for your cruel Grandiose delusions to the entire world.

Offspring without SM only occurred when there was at least one parent of Grade A status

There were higher numbers of SM clear offspring it both parents had Grade A

All Grade A* offspring (SM clear over 5 years) had at least one parent that was Grade A

100% of offspring were SM affected if both parents were SM-affected

SM also occurs in Grade A x Grade A crosses (approximately 25%, but this figure might be improved if more older dogs are screened dogs);

Using dogs of unknown status was risky for SM affectedness;

50% of dogs in a Grade A x Unknown cross were SM affected

Matings of Code A CKCS to Code A CKCS have produced 75.9% offspring with no SM.

● Matings of Code A CKCS to either Code D, E, or F CKCS have produced 41.9% offspring with no SM.

● Matings of Code A CKCS to unscanned CKCS have produced 50.0% offspring with no SM.

● Matings of Code D CKCS to Code D, E, or F CKCS have produced no offspring free of SM.

So if 1 in 4 pups will have SM from 'A' parents, do you then stop breeding the parents when they have their statistical 4th pup that has SM?

If this is the case then there would be no dogs left to breed once they all had their 4th affected pup correct? (Ok there might be the odd dog that never produces it but you can substain a breed with a few odd dogs).

Do I understand the prognosis correctly?

Edited November 13, 2010 by shortstep