ash&elar Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 Its dog related.... I was commenting on a friends photo of their new dog, I asked what breeds were in it, she said irish wolfhound x bandog, I quickly googled bandog and it gave me an old topic from here, with ppl saying a bandog wasn't an actual breed, usually a mastiff x of somesort, then there was also a breeders site on googel claiming they are a breed, so I said as much on both and gave her the links (she isn't very dog savvy) I thought she could have a look and decide for herself, I said that from the breeds in her I would ASSUME that she had originally been bred by pig hunters, anyway I went on to say that I wasnt trying to knock the dog just giving her some info, that a good dog is a good dog etc. and then her OH got on and wrote this big post how not to believe everything I read and that purebred dog owners like to put down cross breeds cause they are usually better then the purebreds without the health probs cause they are not so inbred and on n on.... Can I post it here or that breaking a forum rule? I just want some help from people on here with a reply to him, I dont want to get my info wrong or say something that isn't right etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 Not sure what the rules would be?? However people like that quite often don't want to hear it and take any comments regarding the "breed" (used loosely!) of their dog as an insult or insinuation. If you wanted to you could reply something along the lines of you think the puppy is gorgeous and was just trying to help out by supplying your friend with some "breed" (once again used loosely) information. It is going to be a large dog so she needs to understand dogs and make sure the dog is trained and brought up correctly. If all else fails give her Wolfhound info - they are large and do need specific feeding and care as being a giant dog their needs are different to say a Kelpie or Whippet. I would be interested to see if down the track the little puppy has any joint issues. But I suppose of it did they would blame the named purebreed used in the cross as the culprit as usually happens. Not the fact the dog is a badly bred cross breed. Goodluck, but to be honest quite often these days I keep my mouth shut and maybe say something short and sweet down the track when their very healthy crossbreed dog all of a sudden has issues. But then that is possibly because I can be a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash&elar Posted October 9, 2010 Author Share Posted October 9, 2010 Not sure what the rules would be?? However people like that quite often don't want to hear it and take any comments regarding the "breed" (used loosely!) of their dog as an insult or insinuation.If you wanted to you could reply something along the lines of you think the puppy is gorgeous and was just trying to help out by supplying your friend with some "breed" (once again used loosely) information. It is going to be a large dog so she needs to understand dogs and make sure the dog is trained and brought up correctly. If all else fails give her Wolfhound info - they are large and do need specific feeding and care as being a giant dog their needs are different to say a Kelpie or Whippet. I would be interested to see if down the track the little puppy has any joint issues. But I suppose of it did they would blame the named purebreed used in the cross as the culprit as usually happens. Not the fact the dog is a badly bred cross breed. Goodluck, but to be honest quite often these days I keep my mouth shut and maybe say something short and sweet down the track when their very healthy crossbreed dog all of a sudden has issues. But then that is possibly because I can be a bitch. Well.... they just got the dog a couple of days ago and it is fully grown and about to pop.... very pregnant.... to a bull arab x american bulldog I believe she said.... I just wanted to give him some facts on the things he stated as facts but I know are not but I wanted to word it right and get my facts right before I went on my high horse They also have a lovely young great dane boy..... who's dad was actually great dane x bull arab she thinks but his mum was pure dane... she is pretty sure. I honestly was just trying to give her some info as she didnt seem to really know and I thought she might be interested to know what type of dog she had just taken in. he said more things about If you are washing and grooming it to parade it and win trophies it defeats the whole purpose of the breed likend it to having a kelpie with no sheep to herd. Lol I can be a bitch too but as I really do like this friend I dont want to get on my high horse and be bitchy at her OH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) Save your breath. I'd not be happy to see something I said on Facebook copied and pasted for those I'd not given access to read. Just let it go I say. I'm sure your friend will be relieved if you decide not to get into it with her OH. Edited October 9, 2010 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) I'd try to stay positive on the good things about pure bred dogs and their people but don't say anything he thinks criticises his choice. He's already very defensive so it wouldn't be heard, just reacted against. So if he thinks pure bred dog people are snobs or feel threatened just say something like you've found the pure breed enthusiasts you have dealt with helpful and friendly and very interestedd in the health and temperament of their breeds, and that you hope he gets as much pleasure from his dogs as you do from yours. If you think you can say that truthfully. And then just leave it be. If she is a friend you don't need an argument with her OH. Edited October 9, 2010 by Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash&elar Posted October 9, 2010 Author Share Posted October 9, 2010 Save your breath. I'd not be happy to see something I said on Facebook copied and pasted for those I'd not given access to read. Just let it go I say. Yeah true. And true again, I just hate it when people say such ignorant things like he did about dogs and their breeding etc. But I guess like you's have said nothing I say will change what he believes to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 From the rules page: This site was created for pure bred dog discussion The primary purpose of this forum is to promote and discuss pure bred dogs (as recognised by the ANKC) so we ask you respect our aim when visiting here. If you own a cross breed dog, you are also welcome here, but we ask that you refer to it by it's proper name (eg a pug-x or cavalier-x instead of the designer term 'pugalier'). Please do not start threads asking what breeds people think make up your cross-bred dog or to express your outrage at the latest designer dog you saw. We prefer to concentrate our discussion on the pure bred dog (ANKC recognised). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash&elar Posted October 9, 2010 Author Share Posted October 9, 2010 I'd try to stay positive on the good things about pure bred dogs and their people but don't say anything he thinks criticises his choice. He's already very defensive so it wouldn't be heard, just reacted against.So if he thinks pure bred dog people are snobs or feel threatened just say something like you've found the pure breed enthusiasts you have dealt with helpful and friendly and very interestedd in the health and temperament of their breeds, and that you hope he gets as much pleasure from his dogs as you do from yours. If you think you can say that truthfully. And then just leave it be. If she is a friend you don't need an argument with her OH. Thanks for those ideas, yes don't want to be getting in a tiff over it but I was just taken by surprise as I didnt mean any of it in the way he took it and then he actually goes and starts bagging out others as he assumed ide been doing over his cross, even though he admitted that it was without realising it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash&elar Posted October 9, 2010 Author Share Posted October 9, 2010 From the rules page:This site was created for pure bred dog discussion The primary purpose of this forum is to promote and discuss pure bred dogs (as recognised by the ANKC) so we ask you respect our aim when visiting here. If you own a cross breed dog, you are also welcome here, but we ask that you refer to it by it's proper name (eg a pug-x or cavalier-x instead of the designer term 'pugalier'). Please do not start threads asking what breeds people think make up your cross-bred dog or to express your outrage at the latest designer dog you saw. We prefer to concentrate our discussion on the pure bred dog (ANKC recognised). ok thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 Not sure what the rules would be?? However people like that quite often don't want to hear it and take any comments regarding the "breed" (used loosely!) of their dog as an insult or insinuation.If you wanted to you could reply something along the lines of you think the puppy is gorgeous and was just trying to help out by supplying your friend with some "breed" (once again used loosely) information. It is going to be a large dog so she needs to understand dogs and make sure the dog is trained and brought up correctly. If all else fails give her Wolfhound info - they are large and do need specific feeding and care as being a giant dog their needs are different to say a Kelpie or Whippet. I would be interested to see if down the track the little puppy has any joint issues. But I suppose of it did they would blame the named purebreed used in the cross as the culprit as usually happens. Not the fact the dog is a badly bred cross breed. Goodluck, but to be honest quite often these days I keep my mouth shut and maybe say something short and sweet down the track when their very healthy crossbreed dog all of a sudden has issues. But then that is possibly because I can be a bitch. Well.... they just got the dog a couple of days ago and it is fully grown and about to pop.... very pregnant.... to a bull arab x american bulldog I believe she said.... I just wanted to give him some facts on the things he stated as facts but I know are not but I wanted to word it right and get my facts right before I went on my high horse They also have a lovely young great dane boy..... who's dad was actually great dane x bull arab she thinks but his mum was pure dane... she is pretty sure. I honestly was just trying to give her some info as she didnt seem to really know and I thought she might be interested to know what type of dog she had just taken in. he said more things about If you are washing and grooming it to parade it and win trophies it defeats the whole purpose of the breed likend it to having a kelpie with no sheep to herd. Lol I can be a bitch too but as I really do like this friend I dont want to get on my high horse and be bitchy at her OH. Oh my!!!!!!!!! Just what is needed, does she have any idea what she is getting herself in for??? I definately wouldn't be getting into a fight with her OH, he wouldn't listen anyway. Be around to hand out sage advice and she will most likely be needing some help when the puppies arrive - good lord what a mix. Goodluck is all I can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) Thanks for those ideas, yes don't want to be getting in a tiff over it but I was just taken by surprise as I didnt mean any of it in the way he took it and then he actually goes and starts bagging out others as he assumed ide been doing over his cross, even though he admitted that it was without realising it was. Sounds like you weren't the first to say something to him, or that he was shocked not to just get congratulations. I don't like seeing people cross IW's - that's if it is genuinely that cross, often anything a bit wire coated and big gets called that. Pure bred Wolfies are such lovely dogs. I've yet to meet one I didn't like. But crossing a breed that size with something with a quite different nature and then sticking the progeny in pet homes just seems daft to me. I know lots described as that are found in country pounds and they often have lovely natures - but the pure bred form is such a magnificent dog to mix up like that. Edited October 9, 2010 by Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 Poor puppies ash- leave them be- be there if they ask advice .. that's all you can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash&elar Posted October 9, 2010 Author Share Posted October 9, 2010 Not sure what the rules would be?? However people like that quite often don't want to hear it and take any comments regarding the "breed" (used loosely!) of their dog as an insult or insinuation.If you wanted to you could reply something along the lines of you think the puppy is gorgeous and was just trying to help out by supplying your friend with some "breed" (once again used loosely) information. It is going to be a large dog so she needs to understand dogs and make sure the dog is trained and brought up correctly. If all else fails give her Wolfhound info - they are large and do need specific feeding and care as being a giant dog their needs are different to say a Kelpie or Whippet. I would be interested to see if down the track the little puppy has any joint issues. But I suppose of it did they would blame the named purebreed used in the cross as the culprit as usually happens. Not the fact the dog is a badly bred cross breed. Goodluck, but to be honest quite often these days I keep my mouth shut and maybe say something short and sweet down the track when their very healthy crossbreed dog all of a sudden has issues. But then that is possibly because I can be a bitch. Well.... they just got the dog a couple of days ago and it is fully grown and about to pop.... very pregnant.... to a bull arab x american bulldog I believe she said.... I just wanted to give him some facts on the things he stated as facts but I know are not but I wanted to word it right and get my facts right before I went on my high horse They also have a lovely young great dane boy..... who's dad was actually great dane x bull arab she thinks but his mum was pure dane... she is pretty sure. I honestly was just trying to give her some info as she didnt seem to really know and I thought she might be interested to know what type of dog she had just taken in. he said more things about If you are washing and grooming it to parade it and win trophies it defeats the whole purpose of the breed likend it to having a kelpie with no sheep to herd. Lol I can be a bitch too but as I really do like this friend I dont want to get on my high horse and be bitchy at her OH. Oh my!!!!!!!!! Just what is needed, does she have any idea what she is getting herself in for??? I definately wouldn't be getting into a fight with her OH, he wouldn't listen anyway. Be around to hand out sage advice and she will most likely be needing some help when the puppies arrive - good lord what a mix. Goodluck is all I can say. She lives quite a while from me (the otherside of vic) so I wont be able to give any hands on help. I refered her to this site but didnt get a response so figure she wont bother, from her status they are temp testing her but thats all i know and after the OH comments I dont feel I can offer much help. They have had the boy since a pup and he looks to be a nice dog from the body language in the photos but he is 6months old and yesterday is the first time she has mentioned him on her Fb so idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash&elar Posted October 9, 2010 Author Share Posted October 9, 2010 Thanks for those ideas, yes don't want to be getting in a tiff over it but I was just taken by surprise as I didnt mean any of it in the way he took it and then he actually goes and starts bagging out others as he assumed ide been doing over his cross, even though he admitted that it was without realising it was. Sounds like you weren't the first to say something to him, or that he was shocked not to just get congratulations. I don't like seeing people cross IW's - that's if it is genuinely that cross, often anything a bit wire coated and big gets called that. Pure bred Wolfies are such lovely dogs. I've yet to meet one I didn't like. But crossing a breed that size with something with a quite different nature and then sticking the progeny in pet homes just seems daft to me. I know lots described as that are found in country pounds and they often have lovely natures - but the pure bred form is such a magnificent dog to mix up like that. I completey agree I think IW are stunning and though I dont agree with deliberatly crossing dogs some x's dont turn out too bad but I think doing these crosses esp on purpose is just plain ignorant and an accident waiting to happen. A friend has a dog that is ment to be pointer, staffy, kelpie and maybe shepherd..... Its off its head.... wants to chase everything, never stops moving, constantly watching anything that moves, will kill anything small enough.... it pretty much got all of the difficult trait of every breed in it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash&elar Posted October 9, 2010 Author Share Posted October 9, 2010 Poor puppies ash- leave them be- be there if they ask advice .. that's all you can do. Yeah I doubt they will and Im not close by so I prob wont ever know how they get on. She is a good person but just not dog savvy its, oh I love puppies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdog Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 Why on earth would they take on a heavily pregnant dog? Or did they find it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash&elar Posted October 9, 2010 Author Share Posted October 9, 2010 Why on earth would they take on a heavily pregnant dog? Or did they find it? As far as I can tell from her FB they know the previous owner and got her from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullyfan Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 I do wonder though, where he got his information from, surely he doesn't believe everything he's told?? Or by the sounds of it, he does... their girl will most likely have a healthy litter and he will continue carrying on about how wonderful cross breed are, cause they do it all on their own.. Such a shame.. At least try and convince her to desex the bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss BeRidgierent Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Unfortunately I just wouldn't be able to hold my tongue but thats just me..... do you what you feel is right. To me this is a subject I truly believe in and will debate it to no end and him saying "purebred dog owners like to put down cross breeds" is totally wrong and shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 I'd try to stay positive on the good things about pure bred dogs and their people but don't say anything he thinks criticises his choice. He's already very defensive so it wouldn't be heard, just reacted against.So if he thinks pure bred dog people are snobs or feel threatened just say something like you've found the pure breed enthusiasts you have dealt with helpful and friendly and very interestedd in the health and temperament of their breeds, and that you hope he gets as much pleasure from his dogs as you do from yours. If you think you can say that truthfully. And then just leave it be. If she is a friend you don't need an argument with her OH. Thanks for those ideas, yes don't want to be getting in a tiff over it but I was just taken by surprise as I didnt mean any of it in the way he took it and then he actually goes and starts bagging out others as he assumed ide been doing over his cross, even though he admitted that it was without realising it was. So why not just reply with that If you really want to suppy them with breed information why not just google "Bandog" and send them the links :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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