Black Hawk Holistic Dog Food

[spottychick]

LOL I don't know that. But if it's on their site and in all their literature that they source say, salmon from the waters off New Zealand and it actually isn't true they can be held accountable for that. If they say nothing at all there's no accountability at all. Everything's a risk but there are ways to go about things so that you try to minimise the risks you take.

Anyway, I don't go totally overboard about it. I'm just talking about whether or not I can get hold of any kind of information from the manufacturers and then I can evaluate based on the info I have (or don't have). If any company is difficult to get info out of then it makes me less inclined to trust them therefore I am unlikely to buy from them. Simple.

[Gayle.]

In Dusty's case, I'm just ecstatic if she likes it. If it's ground up eyeballs and chook toenails and she'll eat it happily, I'll feed it to her.

If it's the best fillet steak, cooked slowly in the finest truffle stock and she spits it out the side of her mouth.....her way of saying "What's this shit you're trying to feed me tonight?" then nup....not good enough.

[Gayle.]

If a company has to state Lamb or Chicken or Beef sans by-products then it must be actual meat. They are bound to do so. They can't decide 'this batch will be wings, heads, eyeballs and feet' where it has previously been muscle meat.

Years ago, my dad used to breed, train and race greyhounds. He was passionate about his dogs....which is where I think I must get it from, cos mum hates animals....and he only ever used to feed them what was deemed to be the most nutritious meat.....sheeps heads. Which he stewed up with vegetables, rice and god knows what else...but it was the whole head, skinned but not "gutted". He did it in his shed because it made the worst stink, and he used a big pot that looked like a witches cauldron.

And I'd often peer in there only to find an eyeball or two peering back up at me from the stew pot. Now that's the stuff nightmares are made of.

[whippets]

I'm getting some Black Hawk dog food tommorow to try. My dogs coat, overall condition and poop will tell me what I need to know.

I don't care if the lambs where shepparded in by Heidi from the highlands or the cow was fed by Mary from the dairy.

[whippets]

If a company has to state Lamb or Chicken or Beef sans by-products then it must be actual meat. They are bound to do so. They can't decide 'this batch will be wings, heads, eyeballs and feet' where it has previously been muscle meat.

Years ago, my dad used to breed, train and race greyhounds. He was passionate about his dogs....which is where I think I must get it from, cos mum hates animals....and he only ever used to feed them what was deemed to be the most nutritious meat.....sheeps heads. Which he stewed up with vegetables, rice and god knows what else...but it was the whole head, skinned but not "gutted". He did it in his shed because it made the worst stink, and he used a big pot that looked like a witches cauldron.

And I'd often peer in there only to find an eyeball or two peering back up at me from the stew pot. Now that's the stuff nightmares are made of.

being an ex grey breeder/trainer/racer I can tell you half of them don't bother with all the hype of "premium" dog food. Very few use it unless it's given to them and then used as an endorsement.

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Edited October 6, 2010 by whippets

[JulesP]

Think some of you are getting muddled up with holistic and organic. Holistic simply means that the whole animal/person is treated body & mind. So I guess if it is yummy, good for muscles, coat etc then it could be called holistic. Holistic doesn't have to be organic.

Any food using free range, true organic would be super expensive.

At the end of the day the ingredients are pretty good and it is Australian.

Meat meal means that the water content is removed from the meat btw. Which means you get more protein in a kg of meat meal then you would in a kg of pure meat.

[Staff'n'Toller]

If a company has to state Lamb or Chicken or Beef sans by-products then it must be actual meat. They are bound to do so. They can't decide 'this batch will be wings, heads, eyeballs and feet' where it has previously been muscle meat.

Years ago, my dad used to breed, train and race greyhounds. He was passionate about his dogs....which is where I think I must get it from, cos mum hates animals....and he only ever used to feed them what was deemed to be the most nutritious meat.....sheeps heads. Which he stewed up with vegetables, rice and god knows what else...but it was the whole head, skinned but not "gutted". He did it in his shed because it made the worst stink, and he used a big pot that looked like a witches cauldron.

And I'd often peer in there only to find an eyeball or two peering back up at me from the stew pot. Now that's the stuff nightmares are made of.

being an ex grey breeder/trainer/racer I can tell you half of them don't bother with all the hype of "premium" dog food. Very few use it unless it's given to them and then used as an endorsement.

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Yeah I've seen what's been pumped out of greyhounds stomachs...mostly large amounts of 4x2 biscuits, I doubt that they have ever picked up a Billinghurst book either.

[Gayle.]

When dad had his dogs, there wasn't much available in the way of specialised greyhound food....although I do recall one that was advertised everywhere. Yellow bag with a black and white checkered flag. Can't remember the name though.

The trainers would just make their own food, and sheeps heads were the flavour of the month. Gross.

[whippets]

If a company has to state Lamb or Chicken or Beef sans by-products then it must be actual meat. They are bound to do so. They can't decide 'this batch will be wings, heads, eyeballs and feet' where it has previously been muscle meat.

Years ago, my dad used to breed, train and race greyhounds. He was passionate about his dogs....which is where I think I must get it from, cos mum hates animals....and he only ever used to feed them what was deemed to be the most nutritious meat.....sheeps heads. Which he stewed up with vegetables, rice and god knows what else...but it was the whole head, skinned but not "gutted". He did it in his shed because it made the worst stink, and he used a big pot that looked like a witches cauldron.

And I'd often peer in there only to find an eyeball or two peering back up at me from the stew pot. Now that's the stuff nightmares are made of.

being an ex grey breeder/trainer/racer I can tell you half of them don't bother with all the hype of "premium" dog food. Very few use it unless it's given to them and then used as an endorsement.

edit: I can't spell

Yeah I've seen what's been pumped out of greyhounds stomachs...mostly large amounts of 4x2 biscuits, I doubt that they have ever picked up a Billinghurst book either.

oh yay vet nurse experts. Top racers don't live on 4x2 biscuits, that is left to the bogan trainers.

To GayleK. Yes we made our own soups and fresh meat also with some kibble. Carcasses were a big hit. I couldn't use heads or anything like that. ick.

[sezling]

Has anyone noticed the ingredients have changed. I contacted Kelly (NSW rep) and Sherel (VIC rep) and they confirmed there was a bit more protein and fat and the addition of emu oil. They've also removed the synthetic vitamin K.

Crude Protein…25.00% (min) Crude Fat… 14.00% (min) Crude Fibre… 4.50% (max

Crude Ash … 11.0% (max) Phosphorus(P)… 1.50% (max) Calcium (Ca)… 1.45% (min)

Moisture… 10.00% (max) INGREDIENTS

Lamb Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Oats, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols source of Vit E,

Citric Acid Rosemary extract), Brewers Dried Yeast, Flaxseed meal, Fish Meal. Canola Oil, Emu Oil Dried Carrots

Dried Kelp, Choline Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Chicory, Yucca Shidgera Extract, Glucosamine Chondroitin Sulphate

Dried Blueberries, Dandelion, Peppermint, Rosemary, Tomato Meal,Zinc Oxide, Zinc Amino Acid Chelated, Iron Sulphate,

Vitamin A-Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement. Manganous Oxide, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement

Copper Sulphate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Riboflavin, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate,

Folic acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, D-Biotin, Calcium Iodate Sodium Selenite, Cobalt Carboinate.

I'm wrestling with going back to kibble (and trying this one after the last eagle pack disaster) because my dog isn't doing too well with raw...

[OSoSwift]

If the meat is meat meal and still at the top of the list that is good. The meat can be the top of the list, then you take away the moisture content and all of a sudden it is 3rd of 4th on the list.

Meal is the meat minus the moisture - which is what happens to it eventually anyway!

[Gayle.]

I'm wrestling with going back to kibble (and trying this one after the last eagle pack disaster) because my dog isn't doing too well with raw...

I fed mine raw from when they were puppies, but Dusty started throwing it back up after every meal a few months ago. So I switched them all to kibble with just a small amount of raw and I'm much happier with their coats, their weight and their general wellbeing. Even on Supercoat, they look better than they do on mostly raw. They still get a chicken drumstick for their breakfast, and a raw meaty bone to chew on every now and then but their main meal is now kibble, with or without sardines, table scraps etc.

[Poodlecrazy]

My friend in Vic

had a bag of Black Hawk delivered yesterday

her dogs went crazy over the bag itself she had to fight them to open it

her fussy eater just loved it

It's not in SA yet but as soon as it becomes available my dogs and cats will be switching

[piper]

My friend in Vic

had a bag of Black Hawk delivered yesterday

her dogs went crazy over the bag itself she had to fight them to open it

her fussy eater just loved it

It's not in SA yet but as soon as it becomes available my dogs and cats will be switching

They will freight it though. I am awaiting a sample and if the dogs like it I will order a bag in and see how they go on it as a supplement to raw. She did say they are sending to SA and some people order 2 bags at once as it is more economical to do so but I don't think I would go through it quick enough.

[hungryhound]

I actually am a part owner of the company, i helpt to develop the formula so i know exactly where it comes from

[hungryhound]

A DOL member sells it would be more accurate.

APFE makes it.

Hungry Hound distributes/wholesales it.

Black Hawk (DOL member) & other places sell it to consumers.

APFE dont make it but APFE DID develop the formula for it and it is exclusive, it is manufactured in NSW and distributed by Hungry Hound, we have received no complaints so far, so this is a great way of seeing what consumers want and provides us with feedback to improve this product for the dogs we all love!

[JulesP]

Funny yesterday I called APFE directly and asked if they made this product and they said yes. Hungry Hound appears on their website as one of their brands. They also said that the Hungry Hound rep worked for them.

[Lemonlime]

I actually am a part owner of the company, i helpt to develop the formula so i know exactly where it comes from

Well the people in this thread are potential future customers with questions you havent answered. Could you be so kind as to tell them where your ingredients are sourced?

[megan_]

Who do I contact to get a sample? I'm in Melbourne.

[Sheridan]

I actually am a part owner of the company, i helpt to develop the formula so i know exactly where it comes from

Which is where?

A DOL member sells it would be more accurate.

APFE makes it.

Hungry Hound distributes/wholesales it.

Black Hawk (DOL member) & other places sell it to consumers.

APFE dont make it but APFE DID develop the formula for it and it is exclusive, it is manufactured in NSW and distributed by Hungry Hound, we have received no complaints so far, so this is a great way of seeing what consumers want and provides us with feedback to improve this product for the dogs we all love!

Curiouser and curiouser. So who does make it?

Funny yesterday I called APFE directly and asked if they made this product and they said yes. Hungry Hound appears on their website as one of their brands. They also said that the Hungry Hound rep worked for them.

Who to believe? It's getting a bit odd.

Edited October 7, 2010 by Sheridan