Anyone Interested

[raz]

I have heard they can be trained to be reasonably clean and friendly though

The one I met was really clean and incredibly smart. I'd say they're smarter than a dog when it comes to training but it was just my experience with a one off. He was just amazing

[asal]

Oh comeon....so people who kill their own meat are simply doing it from the goodness of their own heart? Nonsense. IT is purely for selfish reasons and none other than....

Jesus are you still on this thread? That quoted above is probably one of the most idiotic posts ive ever read. So you dont eat lamb, (dont know what you're missing out on Moselle), you havent eaten pork 'for ages', not eaten beef in 18months (thats pretty specific is that something you're proud of?) but you eat chicken.... where does your chicken come from again?

Are you having a go at vegos?

It is a personal choice, and I assure you we are not all unbalanced and sexist

she does seem to be bringing out the worst in us.

think its the assumption if u dont think along the same lines your not a nice person.

whatever happened to freedom of choice these days?

frankly i think everyone has the right to decide if they are christian, muslim, jewish, meatmuncher, vegan, hunter, gather, lounge lizard or whatever

gee as for the fanaticism that surfaces re religion,,, sheesh.... most babies end up the religion they were born too soo how can anyone decide which one is the RIGHT one. defies belief.

fraid 9/11 would have to have been one of the saddest days of my life............. no where no way could that be justified

its ok surely to have an opinion. think its the going one step further and attributing motives at well thats getting up peoples noses i suspect

ie "so people who kill their own meat are simply doing it from the goodness of their own heart? Nonsense. IT is purely for selfish reasons and none other than.... "

is pretty uncalled for surely?

bound to cause resentment, so dont plead suprised at the result

Edited October 11, 2010 by asal

[Animal House]

No I do have a career, lol. Okay so you've explained that dogs don't tear rabbits apart....don't know the story on that one but I'll take your word for it. What I do know is that dogs are in fact often used to tear other animals apart as part of a hunting expedition (namely pigs amongst other animals).

wow so something you have never seen in the flesh you choose to make a judgement on. Awesome. Hunting dogs do not tear up their quarry at all. Dogs hold pigs they dont tear them up. Also deer dogs bail them and hold them in place by surrounding them NOT by actually touching them. Rabbits are caught by dogs and held with soft mouths to be brought back in one piece and not a scratch on them.

I choose not to keep company with women that are rough around the edges as that is the way that I potray women that are into hunting.

well that's just your opinion and just quietly, you sound like an absolute snob. Once again seemingly unfounded on enough personal experience. I cook, I clean, I bake, I garden, I sew and I hunt. It's about basic skills and doing things for yourself instead of going out and buying cheap imported junk, or highly processed rubbish that passes for food these days. As for 'rough around the edges' myself and my partner are both tertiary educated, well spoken and mannered. More fool you when you choose to pass judgement on a person because of their hobbies. I don't want a massive flat screen, designer clothing, holidays to 5 star cookie cutter hotels and a bathroom full of makeup, then spend my spare time sipping chardonnay with the 'girls' and watch stupid romance movies. There's a whole world out there, beyond your own backyard. Nature is fascinating. Try it sometime, you may be surprised

The whole meat industry pretty much sickens me....the meat animals life is pretty horrible, and then to be sent off to the slaughterhouse....makes my skin crawl. I've seen the videos.

I'd much rather buy quickly killed farm meat, than supermarket packaged meat. I rarely eat red meat, but do eat chicken and fish, and occasionally bacon.

I make sure I buy free range eggs (or get them from a friend who has chookies) and free range chicken, and Coles sells Free Range Otway Pork products.

I don't eat lamb or veal (just my decision not to eat baby animals) but respect everyone's choice to eat what they like.

When I was a young kid, I wouldn't eat eggs after my brother (turd he was) told me that eggs were baby chickens that had melted.

Anyhoo, hope the ferreting goes well.

ETA: All 3 of my elder brothers used to hunt bunnies (with guns) and I would go with them when young (10 ish). I never shot one myself, but just liked to go so I could sit out in the bush.

My ex hubby used to regularly go shooting (bunnies) and I would sit and read a book while he waited to snipe them.

Never ate a rabbit though. And fishing I always threw the fish back in, unless it was a carp.

Edited October 11, 2010 by Cazablanca

[Souff]

I eat eggs obtained from a farmer neighbour of mine (free range). I also eat chicken and on rare occasions....fish. Have never eated lamb. Have not eaten pork in ages; haven't eaten beef in 18 months.

Oh no, not HENNY & PENNY !!!! :D

[deerhound owner]

A great thread, my cousins used to have ferrets and I used to love the way they could tie themselves in knots and turn around in very tight spaces.

On the other topic, I studied animal science and had to visit an abbatoir. It actually made me feel better about eating meat as they were killed so effectively and quickly they really didn't see it coming. They certainly couldn't see the other animals in front of them go down either but obviously there must still be some smell.

I actually think most lamb and beef is raised well in Australia as long as you avoid anything that has been through a feedlot. I'd much rather eat that than chicken that has a whole lot of issues, even in free-range due to the speed at which they grow.

Free range pork is obviously the best way to go but be aware of companies that say "bred free range" (I think Otway is one) as they only require the sows to be outdoors, once the piglets are weaned it's straight into a barn system they go. Better than nothing but still a bit missleading I think.

Feather and bone is a butcher in sydney specialising in humanely grown produce with links to all the producers. You buy on the internet and they deliver once a week.

Edited October 11, 2010 by deerhound owner

[Moselle]

Poor murdered vegetables. Apparently if you use a special microphone, you can hear them scream when you put them in the boiling water :D

Is this an adult forum or what? FFS I have to eat something

[Aidan]

Is this an adult forum or what? FFS I have to eat something :D

http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/breathe_li...tharianism.html

[Moselle]

Oh comeon....so people who kill their own meat are simply doing it from the goodness of their own heart? Nonsense. IT is purely for selfish reasons and none other than....

:D Jesus are you still on this thread? That quoted above is probably one of the most idiotic posts ive ever read. So you dont eat lamb, (dont know what you're missing out on Moselle), you havent eaten pork 'for ages', not eaten beef in 18months (thats pretty specific is that something you're proud of?) but you eat chicken.... where does your chicken come from again?

If you dont want me on this thread then ask all the other posters to simply stop forwarding comments or questions.....my way, it's that easy, don't you think? And yes I am proud of the fact that I have not eaten beef in 18 months....why? shouldn't I be? I merely answered a question. As for your analysation that my post (above) is idiotic....that is simply your opinion and only because you don't agree with the comment that was made. I came to that conclusion after reading time and time again in this thread how people who kill their own meat are doing so simply because they basically disagree with how livestock is treated and slaughtered in this country! That is bollocks! I do stand by my original statement and that is that people who kill their own meat do so to save money and because they simply believe it is a healthier option....and not because of wanting to make sure that the animal lives its life happily before being slaughtered.

Edited October 11, 2010 by Moselle

[Souff]

Moselle, I strongly object to your assertions that those who kill their own meat are selfish.

If they are the producers of the livestock and they are a qualified butcher, or have a qualified butcher handy, then they are entitled to produce meat for their own table.

I now cordially ask you to pull your head in and stop passing opinions as to who is selfish and who is not!

Souff

[Ruffles]

Oh comeon....so people who kill their own meat are simply doing it from the goodness of their own heart? Nonsense. IT is purely for selfish reasons and none other than....

:D Jesus are you still on this thread? That quoted above is probably one of the most idiotic posts ive ever read. So you dont eat lamb, (dont know what you're missing out on Moselle), you havent eaten pork 'for ages', not eaten beef in 18months (thats pretty specific is that something you're proud of?) but you eat chicken.... where does your chicken come from again?

If you dont want me on this thread then ask all the other posters to simply stop forwarding comments or questions.....my way, it's that easy, don't you think? And yes I am proud of the fact that I have not eaten beef in 18 months....why? shouldn't I be? I merely answered a question. As for your analysation that my post (above) is idiotic....that is simply your opinion and only because you don't agree with the comment that was made. I came to that conclusion after reading time and time again in this thread how people who kill their own meat are doing so simply because they basically disagree with how livestock is treated and slaughtered in this country! That is bollocks! I do stand by my original statement and that is that people who kill their own meat do so to save money and because they simply believe it is a healthier option....and not because of wanting to make sure that the animal lives its life happily before being slaughtered.

Moselle, if you dont want to be involved in this 'disturbing' subject then do as Raz said and Bugger Off! No one is forcing you to come in here and respond to everything thats directed at you, just leave it.

[asal]

Poor murdered vegetables. Apparently if you use a special microphone, you can hear them scream when you put them in the boiling water :D

Is this an adult forum or what? FFS I have to eat something

surely not if it cant be guaranteed stress free?

that was meant tongue firmly in cheek, though

Edited October 11, 2010 by asal

[Moselle]

Moselle, I strongly object to your assertions that those who kill their own meat are selfish.

If they are the producers of the livestock and they are a qualified butcher, or have a qualified butcher handy, then they are entitled to produce meat for their own table.

I now cordially ask you to pull your head in and stop passing opinions as to who is selfish and who is not!

Souff

I am saying that people who kill their own meat do not do so for the reasons outlined in this thread (i.e. they feel sorry in the manner that livestock is treated and slaughtered).

I have no problem in QUALIFIED butchers doing the deed given that they are qualified and know what they are doing (hopefully they have consideration for the animal and try to minimise suffering). Unfortunately, not every person who does so is a qualified butcher (as has been made abundantly clear in this thread, how many women on here are qualified in killing animals???) and I dread the thought that some people will take matters into their own hands not fully knowing the best method to adopt. I still do find it distasteful with women hunting and killing their own meat as sexist as that may sound. I especially find women (and men) who get a kick out of bloodsports (i.e. hunting) to be totally repulsive. Male hunters think they're all that when they clearly are not and women hunters think they've got balls when they clearly don't.....it's all too easy to stand behind a shotgun and fire away, pfft....too ludicrous for words....trying to prove just how tough they are NOT.

Edited October 11, 2010 by Moselle

[Moselle]

Yep pretty much, only men should be responsible for putting down animals.....as for hunting in itself? well, I am not very fond of 'HUNTERS'. The only time a woman should be allowed to put down an animal is if she doing it via anaesthetic.....and in that case she would need to be a qualified veterinarian. :D

Putting down animals? Sheesh. I do a few every day at work. Looks like I'll need to find myself another job.

Vets (most often) are not the ones administering anaesthetics to patients.

You are kidding, right?

Moselle this isn't the first time your posts have been offensive to members here.

I put animals to sleep as well as administering drugs and anaesthetic to our patients and I am not a qualified veterinarian. What part of being a woman means that I am unable to calculate a dose rate and insert a needle into a vein and push. It's my job to know about all that so that our vet can concentrate on the surgery.

Perhaps you should go spend a day in one of the big referral hospitals too. Their anaesthetic nurses are incredible and probably know more about anaesthesia than many (male ) vets out there!

I have no issues with female vets and/or nurses administering drugs/anaesthetics to animals....I thought I made that clear. It is totally amazing to me how one comment is twisted and turned to suit yourselves. How does my distaste in women killing/hunting their own meat connected to female vets/nurses? God knows I have seen female vets in order to put my dogs to sleep when there was no other option!!!

[Nekhbet]

I have no problem in QUALIFIED butchers doing the deed given that they are qualified and know what they are doing (hopefully they have consideration for the animal and try to minimise suffering). Unfortunately, not every person who does so is a qualified butcher (as has been made abundantly clear in this thread, how many women on here are qualified in killing animals???) and I dread the thought that some people will take matters into their own hands not fully knowing the best method to adopt. I still do find it distasteful with women hunting and killing their own meat as sexist as that may sound. I especially find women (and men) who get a kick out of bloodsports (i.e. hunting) to be totally repulsive. Male hunters think they're all that when they clearly are not and women hunters think they've got balls when they clearly don't.....it's all too easy to stand behind a shotgun and fire away, pfft....too ludicrous for words....trying to prove just how tough they are NOT.

actually a butcher is not qualified to kill an animal. A slaughterman is. Butchers only know how to carve up the meat into cuts and joints.

As for qualification ... I kill the animals in the manner prescribed. I did animal anatomy at university so I know exactly how to kill different species. Even commercial rabbits have their necks broken. How different is it to what I do? Do you think everyone who has done a short course is a better person then I am to kill an animal? To many it is a job, to me it is something I go out and want to do. I spend a LOT of money on our ferrets. They get fresh raw meaty bones, premium brand kitten food, straw to sleep in, new cages, play time every day all over the garage, toys etc. I exercise them in the off season to keep them healthy and mentally happy. When one of the young ones got sick I nursed it inside, syringed my special formula down its throat every 15 minutes and warmed it under a heat lamp. I didnt sleep until I knew he was OK and he lived. Suppose none of that really matters when you have preconceived notions.

By the way I dont use a gun. I kill with my hands and it is quick. Rabbits, fish, ducks, chickens etc. Done very quickly. When I did my own ducks they didnt even flap I had them stunned before their throats were slit.

Considering how expensive a hobby it can be really I dont see where it is a quick fix or a chest beating exercise.

I dont mind you adding to this thread Polecatty nice to see some more ferreters! They're becoming a rare breed!

We found that placing immature ferrets in with the older ones worked, by the time they were secually mature they all just got along. Ours have the odd scrap but no one has ever fought to the death. Our little female was dragging our big boy around the garage last night by his scruff because he was ignoring her super spastic play time :D

As for biting, we get well handled young ones and handle them a lot. If a ferret bites me too hard it gets a flick on the nose, if they latch on a smack. Guy who bred ours had some that bit so hard the only way was to stick a lit cigarette under thier noses until the smoke got to them a bit much. It's easier just to teach them to be gentle and all ours will eat out of your hands as well with no problems.

As for the kamikazi ferrets ... OH got one the other day, climbed up the top of the cage and flew at him with all four legs out ... I'm sure I could hear a tiny little scream of BANZAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!

Edited October 11, 2010 by Nekhbet

[asal]

come to think of it, your right. although falling from some serious heights they seem to land ok. just remembered the lone broken leg was from getting a hind went through n caught in some mesh she landed on, n did a 360 spin before we even realised she was in trouble, not from falling.

love that happy ferret grin

sooo infectious eh?

Edited October 11, 2010 by asal

[dunnwarren]

Kamikazi ferrets :D My ex was a slaughterman, only thing he couldn't kill were young goats, he hated killing them. Most women during the depression killed animals so the family didn't starve, I can't understand the difference between women or men killing for food. We kill steers here now and then for the freezer and they are the ones we bucket reared. That's life! I know of someone who wont eat lamb unless it has a stamp on it, or eat our free range chook eggs because of no stamp lol.

[Moselle]

Kamikazi ferrets :D My ex was a slaughterman, only thing he couldn't kill were young goats, he hated killing them. Most women during the depression killed animals so the family didn't starve, I can't understand the difference between women or men killing for food. We kill steers here now and then for the freezer and they are the ones we bucket reared. That's life! I know of someone who wont eat lamb unless it has a stamp on it, or eat our free range chook eggs because of no stamp lol.

When you say that you kill steers there now.....do you mean the women are doing the killing? and if so, what method of slaughter is adopted?

I know that some women during the depression killed animals but that doesn't entail each and every woman, right? Btw, the family need not starve DW....due to lack of meat....we humans can very well survive without it, it has more to do with the palate than anything else.

[Moselle]

I have no problem in QUALIFIED butchers doing the deed given that they are qualified and know what they are doing (hopefully they have consideration for the animal and try to minimise suffering). Unfortunately, not every person who does so is a qualified butcher (as has been made abundantly clear in this thread, how many women on here are qualified in killing animals???) and I dread the thought that some people will take matters into their own hands not fully knowing the best method to adopt. I still do find it distasteful with women hunting and killing their own meat as sexist as that may sound. I especially find women (and men) who get a kick out of bloodsports (i.e. hunting) to be totally repulsive. Male hunters think they're all that when they clearly are not and women hunters think they've got balls when they clearly don't.....it's all too easy to stand behind a shotgun and fire away, pfft....too ludicrous for words....trying to prove just how tough they are NOT.

actually a butcher is not qualified to kill an animal. A slaughterman is. Butchers only know how to carve up the meat into cuts and joints.As for qualification ... I kill the animals in the manner prescribed. I did animal anatomy at university so I know exactly how to kill different species. Even commercial rabbits have their necks broken. How different is it to what I do? Do you think everyone who has done a short course is a better person then I am to kill an animal? To many it is a job, to me it is something I go out and want to do. I spend a LOT of money on our ferrets. They get fresh raw meaty bones, premium brand kitten food, straw to sleep in, new cages, play time every day all over the garage, toys etc. I exercise them in the off season to keep them healthy and mentally happy. When one of the young ones got sick I nursed it inside, syringed my special formula down its throat every 15 minutes and warmed it under a heat lamp. I didnt sleep until I knew he was OK and he lived. Suppose none of that really matters when you have preconceived notions.

By the way I dont use a gun. I kill with my hands and it is quick. Rabbits, fish, ducks, chickens etc. Done very quickly. When I did my own ducks they didnt even flap I had them stunned before their throats were slit.

Considering how expensive a hobby it can be really I dont see where it is a quick fix or a chest beating exercise.

I dont mind you adding to this thread Polecatty nice to see some more ferreters! They're becoming a rare breed!

We found that placing immature ferrets in with the older ones worked, by the time they were secually mature they all just got along. Ours have the odd scrap but no one has ever fought to the death. Our little female was dragging our big boy around the garage last night by his scruff because he was ignoring her super spastic play time

As for biting, we get well handled young ones and handle them a lot. If a ferret bites me too hard it gets a flick on the nose, if they latch on a smack. Guy who bred ours had some that bit so hard the only way was to stick a lit cigarette under thier noses until the smoke got to them :p a bit much. It's easier just to teach them to be gentle and all ours will eat out of your hands as well with no problems.

As for the kamikazi ferrets ... OH got one the other day, climbed up the top of the cage and flew at him with all four legs out ... I'm sure I could hear a tiny little scream of BANZAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!

You raised an interesting point. So butchers are not qualified to slaughter animals.....so then why is it okay for every Joan, Liz and Kerry to do so? Shouldn't be allowed, IMO. Makes me grimace at the thought that some woman (or man) with no clue whatsoever makes an attempt to kill an animal. That ex friend of mine went about killing her pet ducks with a pair of scissors.....they were once her pets and she decided to make a meal of them simply because she ran out of money to buy food! What a sorry excuse for a human being she was.

Edited October 11, 2010 by Moselle

[asal]

Kamikazi ferrets My ex was a slaughterman, only thing he couldn't kill were young goats, he hated killing them. Most women during the depression killed animals so the family didn't starve, I can't understand the difference between women or men killing for food. We kill steers here now and then for the freezer and they are the ones we bucket reared. That's life! I know of someone who wont eat lamb unless it has a stamp on it, or eat our free range chook eggs because of no stamp lol.

When you say that you kill steers there now.....do you mean the women are doing the killing? and if so, what method of slaughter is adopted?

I know that some women during the depression killed animals but that doesn't entail each and every woman, right? Btw, the family need not starve DW....due to lack of meat....we humans can very well survive without it, it has more to do with the palate than anything else.

gee moselle, get of your high horse.

u know u can get hurt if it bucks n drops u

[asal]

I have no problem in QUALIFIED butchers doing the deed given that they are qualified and know what they are doing (hopefully they have consideration for the animal and try to minimise suffering). Unfortunately, not every person who does so is a qualified butcher (as has been made abundantly clear in this thread, how many women on here are qualified in killing animals???) and I dread the thought that some people will take matters into their own hands not fully knowing the best method to adopt. I still do find it distasteful with women hunting and killing their own meat as sexist as that may sound. I especially find women (and men) who get a kick out of bloodsports (i.e. hunting) to be totally repulsive. Male hunters think they're all that when they clearly are not and women hunters think they've got balls when they clearly don't.....it's all too easy to stand behind a shotgun and fire away, pfft....too ludicrous for words....trying to prove just how tough they are NOT.

actually a butcher is not qualified to kill an animal. A slaughterman is. Butchers only know how to carve up the meat into cuts and joints.As for qualification ... I kill the animals in the manner prescribed. I did animal anatomy at university so I know exactly how to kill different species. Even commercial rabbits have their necks broken. How different is it to what I do? Do you think everyone who has done a short course is a better person then I am to kill an animal? To many it is a job, to me it is something I go out and want to do. I spend a LOT of money on our ferrets. They get fresh raw meaty bones, premium brand kitten food, straw to sleep in, new cages, play time every day all over the garage, toys etc. I exercise them in the off season to keep them healthy and mentally happy. When one of the young ones got sick I nursed it inside, syringed my special formula down its throat every 15 minutes and warmed it under a heat lamp. I didnt sleep until I knew he was OK and he lived. Suppose none of that really matters when you have preconceived notions.

By the way I dont use a gun. I kill with my hands and it is quick. Rabbits, fish, ducks, chickens etc. Done very quickly. When I did my own ducks they didnt even flap I had them stunned before their throats were slit.

Considering how expensive a hobby it can be really I dont see where it is a quick fix or a chest beating exercise.

I dont mind you adding to this thread Polecatty nice to see some more ferreters! They're becoming a rare breed!

We found that placing immature ferrets in with the older ones worked, by the time they were secually mature they all just got along. Ours have the odd scrap but no one has ever fought to the death. Our little female was dragging our big boy around the garage last night by his scruff because he was ignoring her super spastic play time

As for biting, we get well handled young ones and handle them a lot. If a ferret bites me too hard it gets a flick on the nose, if they latch on a smack. Guy who bred ours had some that bit so hard the only way was to stick a lit cigarette under thier noses until the smoke got to them :p a bit much. It's easier just to teach them to be gentle and all ours will eat out of your hands as well with no problems.

As for the kamikazi ferrets ... OH got one the other day, climbed up the top of the cage and flew at him with all four legs out ... I'm sure I could hear a tiny little scream of BANZAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!

You raised an interesting point. So butchers are not qualified to slaughter animals.....so then why is it okay for every Joan, Liz and Kerry to do so? Shouldn't be allowed, IMO. Makes me grimace at the thought that some woman (or man) with no clue whatsoever makes an attempt to kill an animal. That ex friend of mine went about killing her pet ducks with a pair of scissors.....they were once her pets and she decided to make a meal of them simply because she ran out of money to buy food! What a sorry excuse for a human being she was.

yep she sure does, reminds me of a friend , we had water for dinner, while the kids had half an apple each. that was all the food there was in the house. hubby had used all of it on his new speed boat. wife n kids food???

not on his horizon

sure have a nice way with words dont u