Schipperke In A Melbourne Pet Shop

[Guest CaptainCourageous]

There is a Schipperke in the front window of a pet shop in Melbourne.

If any Victorian would like to explore meaningful and lawful ways of expressing their indignation about this, please contact me privately.

I don't want anyone to buy this dog to rescue it, because that would be rewarding those who need to be discouraged.

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[Moselle]

There is a Schipperke in the front window of a pet shop in Melbourne.

If any Victorian would like to explore meaningful and lawful ways of expressing their indignation about this, please contact me privately.

I don't want anyone to buy this dog to rescue it, because that would be rewarding those who need to be discouraged.

CC

You don't want anyone to buy this puppy for the reason you stipulated but have you actually thought what grim fate would await this poor pup if nobody was to buy it? The only way to

stop this is to end puppy farms which, if the RSPCA has anything to do with it, will take place. How many pups would end up destroyed if members of the public ceased purchasing them?

It really irks me endlessly when so-called "do gooders" of this forum forever insist that people should stop purchasing pups from pet shops in order to stop the indiscrimate breeding carried out by puppy farmers! That is not the solution, the only way is to stop the puppy farmers themselves! I can't help but get the feeling that some individuals are not all about the welfare of the pups involved but more to do with resentment due to sales of purebred dogs versus DD.

[poodlefan]

Moselle:

It really irks me endlessly when so-called "do gooders" of this forum forever insist that people should stop purchasing pups from pet shops in order to stop the indiscrimate breeding carried out by puppy farmers! That is not the solution, the only way is to stop the puppy farmers themselves! I can't help but get the feeling that some individuals are not all about the welfare of the pups involved but more to do with resentment due to sales of purebred dogs versus DD.

And I can't help but get the feeling that, without a shadow of a doubt, that's one of the more thoughtless and insulting posts I've read here in quite some time.

If the pet shop profits, the petshop continues to sell. Exactly how many YEARS do you think it will take to shut down the suppliers of these pups Moselle?

This IS a purebred dog FFS. Where's the 'loss of a sale to a DD' here?

No purchase from a pet shop is a 'rescue'. All they are is encouragement to those who breed and sell these dogs to continue.

And while that encouragement is given, dogs both pure and crossbred continue to suffer to supply the trade.

Edited September 23, 2010 by poodlefan

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

moselle , why are you on this forum if we irk you so much?

your post was insulting and naive.

buying the puppies just puts money into the puppy farmers hands and does nothing to stop the trade, they will just produce another puppy to replace the one sold.

eta forgot this well said PF

Edited September 23, 2010 by Jaxx'sBuddy

[Guest CaptainCourageous]

Moselle,

It's basic economics, supply chain. Shut down the source AND don't support the distribution points, which are now school holidays attractions. There was a Maltese x Border Collie in the adjacent display case.

And I doubt this schipperke pup's from a puppy farm, just a small time backyarder selling pups without papers for peanuts. I'm wondering how many weeks will go by before it turns up in a shelter or I have to help rescue or rehabilitate it.

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[SkySoaringMagpie]

And I doubt this schipperke pup's from a puppy farm, just a small time backyarder selling pups without papers for peanuts. I'm wondering how many weeks will go by before it turns up in a shelter or I have to help rescue or rehabilitate it.

This, exactly.

[SkySoaringMagpie]

I can't help but get the feeling that some individuals are not all about the welfare of the pups involved but more to do with resentment due to sales of purebred dogs versus DD.

I don't actually want to see high sales of my breed or my partner's breed. They are not for your average pet owner and you need a certain degree of mentoring to successfully own one. I definitely don't want to see them sold in pet shops but DD's are irrelevant to that point of view.

[Karelea Aussies]

There is a Schipperke in the front window of a pet shop in Melbourne.

If any Victorian would like to explore meaningful and lawful ways of expressing their indignation about this, please contact me privately.

I don't want anyone to buy this dog to rescue it, because that would be rewarding those who need to be discouraged.

CC

My hubby's friend bought a Schipperke from a pet shop in Nowra NSW. He was told the pup came from the only Schipperke breeder in VIC . I wonder if its from the same 'Breeder' as the pup in the pet shop and if so, I wonder how far around Aus these pups are travelling .

[LizT]

There is a Schipperke in the front window of a pet shop in Melbourne.

If any Victorian would like to explore meaningful and lawful ways of expressing their indignation about this, please contact me privately.

I don't want anyone to buy this dog to rescue it, because that would be rewarding those who need to be discouraged.

CC

You don't want anyone to buy this puppy for the reason you stipulated but have you actually thought what grim fate would await this poor pup if nobody was to buy it? The only way to

stop this is to end puppy farms which, if the RSPCA has anything to do with it, will take place. How many pups would end up destroyed if members of the public ceased purchasing them?

It really irks me endlessly when so-called "do gooders" of this forum forever insist that people should stop purchasing pups from pet shops in order to stop the indiscrimate breeding carried out by puppy farmers! That is not the solution, the only way is to stop the puppy farmers themselves! I can't help but get the feeling that some individuals are not all about the welfare of the pups involved but more to do with resentment due to sales of purebred dogs versus DD.

DOLERS are only a small percentage of the populace. If a DOLER asks other DOLERS not to support or condone the purchase of puppies from a Pet Store that does not mean that they don't expect that the dog will eventually be purchased from a member of the uneducated general public. OR that they wish the dogs ends up in a pound or worse. Of course the source is a important part of the problem but it really is all about supply and demand.

[LizT]

CC,

I've PM'd you

LizT

[Guest CaptainCourageous]

My hubby's friend bought a Schipperke from a pet shop in Nowra NSW. He was told the pup came from the only Schipperke breeder in VIC . I wonder if its from the same 'Breeder' as the pup in the pet shop and if so, I wonder how far around Aus these pups are travelling .

I think part of the basis for the pet shop operation is deceit, hence I wouldn't read much into what the Nowra shop said.

I asked how many black parents the cream pup had (as I object to non-black x non-black matings), and the shop couldn't tell me. I'm sure the shop had never heard of MPSIIIB.

The Pets Paradise vet's about to go on the radio (3AW), for those interested.

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[Moselle]

moselle , why are you on this forum if we irk you so much?

your post was insulting and naive.

buying the puppies just puts money into the puppy farmers hands and does nothing to stop the trade, they will just produce another puppy to replace the one sold.

eta forgot this :rolleyes: well said PF

Yes I realise that it is a case of supply and demand hence that is why I mentioned that closing down puppy farms is the only true solution. The reason I get annoyed when DOLers discourage the purchase of pups from pet shops is that I have heard that pups that do not sell end up being put down and that thought really disturbs me.

[Moselle]

If the pet shop profits, the petshop continues to sell. Exactly how many YEARS do you think it will take to shut down the suppliers of these pups Moselle?

The only way for puppy farmers to "go away" is if every member of society stopped purchasing

pups from pet shops and that is not about to happen any time soon. The only only way is to shut them down completely. - Moselle

This IS a purebred dog FFS. Where's the 'loss of a sale to a DD' here?

No purchase from a pet shop is a 'rescue'. All they are is encouragement to those who breed and sell these dogs to continue.

I have heard the contrary and that is that pups that don't sell end up destroyed hence why I said what I did. Too many dogs already for shelters to handle. - Moselle

And while that encouragement is given, dogs both pure and crossbred continue to suffer to supply the trade.

Edited September 23, 2010 by Moselle

[Moselle]

I can't help but get the feeling that some individuals are not all about the welfare of the pups involved but more to do with resentment due to sales of purebred dogs versus DD.

I don't actually want to see high sales of my breed or my partner's breed. They are not for your average pet owner and you need a certain degree of mentoring to successfully own one. I definitely don't want to see them sold in pet shops but DD's are irrelevant to that point of view.

I am glad to hear that but it is unfortunate that not every breeder shares your sentiments in not wanting high sales of their breed. You've only got to look at the number of litters that some reg. breeders breed per year, that tells me that they're not breeding with the sole intent of "bettering the breed."

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

moselle , why are you on this forum if we irk you so much?

your post was insulting and naive.

buying the puppies just puts money into the puppy farmers hands and does nothing to stop the trade, they will just produce another puppy to replace the one sold.

eta forgot this :rolleyes: well said PF

Yes I realise that it is a case of supply and demand hence that is why I mentioned that closing down puppy farms is the only true solution. The reason I get annoyed when DOLers discourage the purchase of pups from pet shops is that I have heard that pups that do not sell end up being put down and that thought really disturbs me.

then you and i have a philosophical difference.

i agree that the pups should not be bought and i believe anyone who buys a puppy from a pet shop is lining the puppy farmers pockets and helping them breed more dogs.

this becomes even worse when that person is educated enough to know where the puppies come from.

Edited September 23, 2010 by Jaxx'sBuddy

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

I can't help but get the feeling that some individuals are not all about the welfare of the pups involved but more to do with resentment due to sales of purebred dogs versus DD.

I don't actually want to see high sales of my breed or my partner's breed. They are not for your average pet owner and you need a certain degree of mentoring to successfully own one. I definitely don't want to see them sold in pet shops but DD's are irrelevant to that point of view.

I am glad to hear that but it is unfortunate that not every breeder shares your sentiments in not wanting high sales of their breed. You've only got to look at the number of litters that some reg. breeders breed per year, that tells me that they're not breeding with the sole intent of "bettering the breed."

that is a very broad and sweeping statement and i suggest that you best have the stats and experience to back this up.

[Moselle]

I can't help but get the feeling that some individuals are not all about the welfare of the pups involved but more to do with resentment due to sales of purebred dogs versus DD.

I don't actually want to see high sales of my breed or my partner's breed. They are not for your average pet owner and you need a certain degree of mentoring to successfully own one. I definitely don't want to see them sold in pet shops but DD's are irrelevant to that point of view.

I am glad to hear that but it is unfortunate that not every breeder shares your sentiments in not wanting high sales of their breed. You've only got to look at the number of litters that some reg. breeders breed per year, that tells me that they're not breeding with the sole intent of "bettering the breed."

that is a very broad and sweeping statement and i suggest that you best have the stats and experience to back this up.

As I said, SOME reg. breeders do indeed breed litter after litter. Not a broad and sweeping statement at all. I was a reg. breeder until I decided that I no longer wanted to breed so therefore I am qualified to make such an observation. No need for "stats" besides which, there is good and bad in every avenue, not ALL reg. breeders are ethical. You should know that if you dare take an honest approach and admit such openly besides which I have read, on many occasions, other DOLers make such an observation.