Qld Asked To Ban Dog And Cat Sales.

[Are You Serious Jo]

A lot of vets too are against breeders and hold grudges and have friends in high places, chocolate labs ring a bell.

[Steve]

It wont happen. Every time this comes up it has no hope because when they start pushing it they dont think it through.

Im disappointed that people who I would have thought would know the laws and the need for real research which will impact dont do it all before they start it all going again.

Before they can stop pets being sold in pet shops they have to change federal law .

They have to have real stats and figures and not quote numbers which are so easily refuted.

While ever any push to stop pets being sold in pet shops is based on opinion and assumption those pushing it will be seen as rednecks.

[mita]

Mita, UQ has no hope of holding out against Gov regulation. A lot of the vet students are pro animal rights, so there wont be any help for breeders from there.

UQ, like any university, carries out objective research. And also supplies research discussion papers on request. That's their relationship with Government. They're a source of evidence-based information. Like, the management of unwanted dogs and cats paper prepared by Prof Jacqui Rand, UQ, & a fellow academic from Monash. It's referred to on the Dpt of Primary Industries website:

http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/4790_6430.htm

That site also mentions funding to some councils, in order to come up with ways that better deal with the breeding, supply, sale & responsible ownership of cats and dogs. To reduce numbers of unwanted numbers flooding into pounds & shelters.

The Gold Coast Council, via a working committee of wide representation (Dogs Qld, Feline Association, AWL, RSPCA etc) saw this thro' to implementation. There's now a Breeders' Permit/Code of Practice required on the Gold Coast...applies to anyone who breeds. AWL Qld writes:

Reasonable standards which responsible breeders can easily meet are set out in a new Code of Practice for the Keeping and Breeding of Entire Cats and Dogs. These standards cover enclosure, housing, food and water, hygiene, socialisation, exercise, training and enrichment, health care, breeding/rearing of young animals, responsible selling, and record keeping.

It's required that all breeders publish their their breeder permit number in any advertising as well as giving it to the person adopting an animal.

The AWL also says they urge people in the Gold Coast Council area (where these laws only apply) to ask for this permit number whenever buying a puppy or kitten. And refusing to enter into dealings where a verifiable number is not available.

There's more information about this system & other intiatives that go with it (like discounted desexing), on the Gold Coast City Council website. I don't know what's in place to test the efficacy of this new system. At the least, data can be collected to extract some stats.

Jed, I agree with your point that Dogs Qld already has a code of ethical guidelines. I've always thought that the Qld listing is excellent. And should be made more public, so that people can see for themselves what high standards registered breeders are set. Dogs Qld was on the working party that came up with this Gold Coast system so I'd hope that point would've been made.

For myself, when giving suggestions to people I know, about how to get a puppy, I give them the RSPCA Qld Imprint article on fighting puppy-farming....which states 'If you want a pure-bred dog, visit a Canine Control Council-registered breeder only and...ensure conditions are humane.'

More recently, I add the summary of the recent UQ research which concluded that registered breeders socialise their puppies better.

Never, has anyone come back later & told me they've been disappointed in the dealings they've had &/or the purebred puppies they've adopted. And that's about it, IMO.

Edited September 23, 2010 by mita

[Sheridan]

Mita, you continually cite UQ as though it's a church and you worship at its altar. Unfortunately, in the real world, academia does not rule. Business interests do; special interest lobby groups do; academia would come a slow third, if it manages to finish at all.

[Are You Serious Jo]

Mita, you continually cite UQ as though it's a church and you worship at its altar. Unfortunately, in the real world, academia does not rule. Business interests do; special interest lobby groups do; academia would come a slow third, if it manages to finish at all.

Yeah, I did my degree there and I thought I was bad for talking the place up, but Mita takes the crown As much as I love the world of academia I also know it's limitations, and Sheridan is correct, money talks.

[WreckitWhippet]

Why does the call to " ban the sale of puppies in petshops " always come with the fine print including " developing a Breeders Code of Practice, and enact as mandatory legislation; introducing a compulsory licensing and regular monitoring of all companion animal breeding operations."

It's never just about banning the sale of puppies in pet shops, there's always some other agenda tacked onto the end of it.

[Are You Serious Jo]

You use the emotional hook that you know will work on the general public and while they are all aghast at the horrible thing you slip in the nasty medicine. Because how could people say not to what you are proposing which is the only way to stop puppy farms, don't you care about the little puppies? Marketing, they haz it.

[Sheridan]

And another issue is nothing is being marketed on the other side to counter it.

[asal]

Why does the call to " ban the sale of puppies in petshops " always come with the fine print including " developing a Breeders Code of Practice, and enact as mandatory legislation; introducing a compulsory licensing and regular monitoring of all companion animal breeding operations."

It's never just about banning the sale of puppies in pet shops, there's always some other agenda tacked onto the end of it.

LOL

silly u

thats the REAL agenda

[asal]

Banning the sale of dogs and cats in pet shops is at least a start and will help to make a dent in the demand for cheap 'cuties' for pet shops to make a huge profit on, thereby, hopefully reducing the number of poor souls that come into the world for this purpose. There is the problem though of private sale taking the place of pet shops, as you say.

Perhaps making it illegal for unlicensed (unregistered, and in Qld's case, un-accredited breeders) to sell kittens or puppies, or even undesexed kittens or puppies would help to resolve the problem.

Unfortunately, the demand for cheap puppies/kittens and the trend of promoting 'oodles' as the in thing has blown everything out of proportion. The natural attrition that used to occur in part-bred puppies/kittens has been blown out the window by the desire to pump puppies out Woolworths style with the least possible outlay in order to be able to sell to the middle man in bulk which is the only way they can possibly make any money at all.

I was once approached by a pet shop for puppies, and resisting the urge to spit in her eye, I asked her how much she would pay - $140 per puppy was the response. I looked at her cages with all the dogs selling at around $1,000, and thought, 'no wonder you have the hide to ask'. I then took pleasure in telling her I wouldn't let one of my kids go to her in a fit.

:D ;)

hullo??? "cheap cuties" who are u kidding.

saunter into any pet shop and ask how much for some puppies YOU want to sell. some guinie pigs YOU want to sell some rabbits YOU want to sell?

havnt have u?

im the nosy type.

the "puppy" "pet" farmers are offered for example $250 for the pup sold for $1800. n the gp's and rabbits. lucky if they get offered a dollar each.....soo any sensible pet buyer shouldnt be looking at the doggie in the window.

its breeder would have been thrilled to find it a good home for twice what the pet shop paid for it.

from what ive seen the majority of people ive run into with a puppy or puppies in a basket and heading into a petshop, had their cute n fluffy, got into the family way by accident. maybe i either missed meeting the puppy farmer or they just dont say they are... n who would i suppose but thats not much income considering how much it costs to raise a pup or pups

Edited September 25, 2010 by asal