Is It Anti Apbt Night

[Shaar]

Don't forget the fake testes in the bulldog right at the beginning, he lost me there

Then there was the morning show incident where he promoted pet store puppies.

Then there is the fact they mention designer dogs every episode just about.

Plus he does unnecessary surgery (seen 2 this month where he cut them open and didn't need to, one was a bikini strap that was swallowed and was going to be passed on its own anyway!)

Plus last nights debarkle!

Yep... I'd go to him if my pets were sick... not!

[GoldenGirl85]

What is *the malamute incident* please?

If I remember correctly he took a young family to PP to get their puppy

[Cosmolo]

What about the JRTx's 'quest for dominance' as his reason for escaping- no he's not anxious at all..

[Skruffy n Flea]

yup, there were too many head slaps and numerous eye rolls for me last night too watching that show --- typical is what i say about that goose *head shake*

for the person who wanted to know what happened to leroy for him to break his leg, there wasn't any footage and there were no reports as to who saw what happened either --- 'twas all supposition poor lil bugger, so vera vera cute is leroy

[whitka]

We should start writng to channel 10 about this idoit

[GoldenGirl85]

yup, there were too many head slaps and numerous eye rolls for me last night too watching that show --- typical is what i say about that goose *head shake*

for the person who wanted to know what happened to leroy for him to break his leg, there wasn't any footage and there were no reports as to who saw what happened either --- 'twas all supposition poor lil bugger, so vera vera cute is leroy

Id just like to know how many people thought the lamb was in love with him when he left, Id bet my bottom dollar he had a bottle of milk to make him follow him to the car

[aussielover]

It is sad to think that a vet could actually believe the "lockjaw" myth, especially considering their training in anatomy, they should sure;y realise it is anatomically impossible. "pitbulls" have the same basic jaw structure as any other breed and furthermore, "locking" of the jaw is physically impossible for canine jaws!

As for that ridiculous woman who thought that if her dog had pitbull in it, it would be dangerous......

words cannot describe how ill informed I think she is. I am also extremely disappointed that the vets went along with her and did not discuss the REAL reasons why dogs may become aggressive.

APBT's are known as nanny dogs due to their friendliness towards children. Obviously, not every pitty is going to love kids as alot depends on breeding, upbringing, training, socialisation etc.

Please correct me if i am wrong but weren't pitties selected for having very low levels of HA. A dog that couldn't be pulled out of the pit or checked over etc, wouldn't be of much use to their owner.

Edited September 10, 2010 by aussielover

[Edenishy]

Sounds like a facebook group is needed lol

They seem to be effective these days in raising awareness in a persons wrong doing.

[Malamum]

I've never watched this show before and now I know why. It was on when I was getting my nails done last night so I was a captive audience and I was sitting there steaming. So much crap was spouted in that show it wasn't funny.

[oakway]

Why do you watch this show, you only add to the ratings.

No ratings no show it's that easy.

[DerRottweiler]

APBT's are known as nanny dogs due to their friendliness towards children. Obviously, not every pitty is going to love kids as alot depends on breeding, upbringing, training, socialisation etc.

Please correct me if i am wrong but weren't pitties selected for having very low levels of HA. A dog that couldn't be pulled out of the pit or checked over etc, wouldn't be of much use to their owner.

Yep. A proper ABPT loves people, dogs can be an issue, but not always.

Most dogs that the media portray as APBTs are just mutts with a poor upbringing. The sweetest dog that I know is an APBT bitch.

[ravenau1]

It is sad to think that a vet could actually believe the "lockjaw" myth, especially considering their training in anatomy, they should sure;y realise it is anatomically impossible. "pitbulls" have the same basic jaw structure as any other breed and furthermore, "locking" of the jaw is physically impossible for canine jaws!

As for that ridiculous woman who thought that if her dog had pitbull in it, it would be dangerous......

words cannot describe how ill informed I think she is. I am also extremely disappointed that the vets went along with her and did not discuss the REAL reasons why dogs may become aggressive.

APBT's are known as nanny dogs due to their friendliness towards children. Obviously, not every pitty is going to love kids as alot depends on breeding, upbringing, training, socialisation etc.

Please correct me if i am wrong but weren't pitties selected for having very low levels of HA. A dog that couldn't be pulled out of the pit or checked over etc, wouldn't be of much use to their owner.

They are great with kids. Our baby niece overseas is currently being raised by two gorgeous Pits.

[ash&elar]

Oh i knew there would be a thread or two on here about that episode!!! I havent watched it often but DAMN!!!!! WTF!!!! We all just laughed here when the lamb was on all thinking of timmy who NEVER SHUTS UP all the APBT comments were just total bull hit, couldnt believe it. Did anyone actually confirm that the dog who attacked the lil fella was a APBT or just because it was big and had "the look" AND it attacked a dog it must be a APBT! OHHHHHHH AND OF COURSE A DOG WHO IS DA WOULD TOTALLY HAVE TO BE HA AS WELL

[Lady Flying Furball]

i wanted the lamb

Well, I thought fancy getting so loving and invested in the lamb getting better. Isn't it likely to end up at the abatoir in a few years?? Was half of Australia eating their grilled lamb chops as they watched Bondi Vet???

Not to say it wasn't a cutie and endearing...but how do a lot of sheep end up in this country

[Remarkabull]

I hate it when people assume that any dog that is DA will automatically be HA as well. I have a DA dog and she is the one I trust the most with people and kids! She HATES other dogs, she LOVES people. When I tell people she is DA they always say 'oh, you need to be careful of her with your kids then'. That woman with the puppy is a moron. She obviously has done no research into dogs at all and shouldn't own ANY kind of dog if she thinks that only certain breeds are aggressive.

This is my DA dog. Look how 'aggressive' she is with my youngest daughter!

[Rach...]

I said about saving the lambs leg to a friend and she was like but it was cuuuuteeeeeeeeeee?@!J! I love that I now know more people who don't watch the show

The only reason I watch it is so I can vouch against him in arguments with people about tv vets. I was fuming at the lock jaw comment and the comment about the Pitti going for a small child.. They really used the pitbull line alot talking about scruffy didnt they? I wonder if it was even remotely pitbull looking

[SpotTheDog]

Hey guys

This is a bit full-on for a first post, I know, but I was so horrified by the inaccuracies in Bondi Vet last night that I decided to write in and complain to Channel 10. I want to see the lies retracted, clarification around the circumstances of the attack on the terrier pup, but also I want to see Bondi Vet do an entire 'deed not breed' episode to make up for the damage this has done to ALL bull breeds in the eyes of the public. (Because let's face it, most folk who aren't bull-breed-fanciers can easily mistake staffies for APBTs, and I've even seen people pointing out the highly distinctive shape of an English bull terrier and telling their kids that was a pitbull. We don't need more lies and fear towards bull breed dogs - common sense needs to prevail!)

I strongly urge you, if you feel as bad as I do, to complain to Channel 10 about this episode. I did it here http://www.freetv.com.au/ - which is where you can lodge online complaints, alternatively go to http://ten.com.au/contact-us.htm for other ways to submit a complaint. This is the letter I sent - I hope it's okay with mods etc that I post the content on here.

If anyone disagrees with anything in my letter or you feel I got something wrong, please do post and let me know. Otherwise, I was literally both /facepalm and /headdesk last night watching the show and choked my drink so bad it came out my nose, when Lisa Chimes started going on about 'lockjaw'.

Sir,

I am writing because I was disturbed, while watching Bondi Vet last night, to see two particular incidents where inaccurate information was given on the programme. I believe this misinformation contravenes the television code of practice under the section concerned with accuracy, fairness and respect for privacy in news and current affairs.

The first instance was an eight month old terrier, called Scruffy, brought in by his owner Maria after being attacked by a dog, which the show stated was a pitbull terrier. The pup was badly injured and his owners were very upset.

What concerns me, however, is what followed on the show with regard to pitbull terriers. First of all, pitbull terriers are difficult to identify, and plenty of the public will mistake staffordshire terriers, terriers registered in Australia as american staffys (arguably not the same as american pitbull terriers), english bull terriers, and any cross breed that looks like a bull terrier, as a pitbull. There is, therefore, no proof that the attacking dog, uncontrolled and aggressive as it was, was actually an American Pitbull Terrier. Indeed, the morning after the attack, Scruffy's owner, Maria, stated she had referred the matter to the council and it was in the hands of the rangers, who had to try and find the man and his dog - so she doesn't know the man, or his dog, and therefore really cannot claim conclusively that the dog that attacked her pup was a pitbull terrier.

Of greater concern was the comment to camera by Dr Lisa Chimes, where she said:

‘The thing about pitbulls, what makes them so dangerous, is that their jaws basically lock, and you cannot open them, and that’s why they’re fighting dogs, and that’s why they’re so dangerous’.

This is simply untrue. Pitbull terriers, and other bull terriers, do not have a locking mechanism in their jaw. Scientific testing has proven that there is no physical design particular to the bull terrier breed which means their jaw closes and cannot be reopened because something clicks into place.

The concept of savage Pitbulls appears again in the same show, in a second incident; a woman brings in a puppy called Snowy that she has adopted from the pound. She wants Dr Chris Browne to run a DNA test on the puppy to make sure it does not have any pitbull terrier genes. DNA testing in dogs is inconclusive at best (unless you are testing and comparing the DNA of two specific dogs, against each other, to see if they are related - all DNA testing can do is identify genetic sequences common to certain breeds - it could prove the pup had common ancestry with a pitbull terrier, but would not conclusively state that the dog had a pitbull parent, for instance).

For starters, I believe it is unethical veterinary medicine for Dr Chris to carry out such an arbitrary test on a puppy. What would happen if the test had shown the pup had a pitbull parent? Would the pup have been put to sleep? Would Dr Chris have put it to sleep right there on his show, for us all to see?

Instead, he reassures the owner that the dog has no pitbull in it, but there follows a very disturbing exchange where he tells her she has nothing to worry about, and she says her son's friends from school can now come over and she won't need to worry about the dog attacking them.

(I cannot transcribe the verbatim exchange, as the link to that part of the show is not working on the channel 10 website).

This is misleading and inccurate information - Dr Chris cannot guarantee that woman that her dog will never hurt her children or their friends simply because it does not have pitbull terrier in it. If the dog is unsocialised, poorly treated or badly trained between now and its adult life, it is just as capable of injuring a child as any bull breed dog.

Dogs are individual. Different breeds have characteristics that it is vital that the public understand. Pitbull terriers are formidible dogs, with high bite pressure in terms of pounds per square inch. The shape and weight of the average adult dog, coupled with this bite pressure and the high tenacity that is bred into terriers of all kinds, means pitbulls should only ever be owned by an owner who respects and can control the tendancies of this breed.

However, the same goes for any large breed dog - German Shepherds, rottweilers, huskies, labradors - all of these dogs are bred to have certain characteristics. It is human beings who shape those characteristics - not all labradors are born guide dogs. Not all rottweilers are born guard dogs. And not all pitbull terriers are born fighting dogs. If they were, there would be no requirement for the savagery of dog fighting training - infliction of pain and cruelty, blooding the dogs, extended training on a treadmill, encouragement of dog-aggression.

In general, I believe the Bondi Vet show from last night was misleading, inaccurate in places, and did great damage to the 'deed, not breed' campaign that is so important to ALL dogs - because while it is vital that potential owners understand the responsibilities of owning a large breed dog, it is also absolutely vital that potential owners are not lulled into a false sense of security with other breeds and assume any dog is a naturally gentle companion, incapable of harm or disobedience, simply because it is a certain breed.

Our pounds and shelters are overflowing with dogs, some pure breed and some not, because owners did not fully appreciate the responsibility and the challenge of socialising, training and generally looking after a cute puppy as it grows into an adult dog. I would hope that shows like Bondi Vet, being a mainstream, prime time show on veterinary medicine, would strive to help educate the general public about dogs.

Shame on them, last night, for buying into the tabloid journalism that is villification of an entire breed.

I strongly hope Bondi Vet is asked to issue a retraction of the basic inaccuracies in its show, but also advised to broadcast an episode that more accurately addresses the concept of deed, not breed.

Yours

[My name - and no I didn't write SpotTheDog]

[GoldenGirl85]

I wish more people would see this link

Find the Pitbull

I got it wrong

[griff]

FB page needed

I only caught bits of the program and was like WTF over some things said .

[juice]

i have complained, blatant breed bashing, and full of inacuracies, very sad indeed