Puppy Farm Awareness Rally

[asal]

Toy Dogs said.

that is true what you have typed extra and we all know this but that info i cut and pasted is designed for the general public.....if you tell them all that people are going to get confused.

what would you guys say under "what is the difference between a ANKC breeder and a puppy factory?"

I mean we can all say what we really feel and i do agree with the point that many of us dont want people coming to our homes sizing up our dogs then taking them away when we aren't home or telling someone unscrupulous, (my worry all the time) but how is that going to help the cause?

O.K. I know its true and you say you know its true too. Do you think Oscar's Law knew? Do you think people who were rallying for new laws which will eventually wipe us out and leave commercial puppy farmers sitting pretty with more dogs not less suffering?

This stuff has been circulated world wide to hoodwink people - not just the public but government too - to a point where new people coming into purebred dogs believe it, How is this going to help the cause? The cause SHOULD be whats best for dogs not whats best to distribute crap so registered breeders get to feel superior.

Its propoganda distributed by the ANKC to better their cause and most of their members believe it too. Its destroyed the ability for us to become educated on real canine husbandry issues as canine Councils have bowed to pressure from animal rights and people who have no experience with breeding in order to gain superiority.

The only two differences you or anyone can be sure of between a registered breeder and any other breeder is that a registered breeder can register their puppies on a stud registry owned by ANKC and they can compete in shows which are held by affiliates of the ANKC. This crap of of we are doing it right we will be safe blah blah blah and pretending the laws wont affect us MORE than it will puppy farmers is the biggest scam of the millenium and we have fallen into it hook line and sinker.

Just as many registered breeders sell puppies to pet shops and export pet shops as puppy farmers,and anything else you can say about puppy farmers a registered breeder could be doing the same as or worse than any example you can give.

The poodle farmer in Queensland was a registered breeder, the one on RSPCA rescue from Newcastle area who had over 300 dogs was and still is a registered breeder.

They both had heaps of champs under their belt though.

When you chant wipe out rotten breeders its us they are going after as well as any other. Cross bred dogs arent likely to be debarked and at a dog show are the? Do you think some cross bred breeder is going to be the first arrested for breeding affected dogs recklessly?

ok up until this post i was wondering what your angle was. i get it now.

i still think someone is going to have to shoot me again i am sorry to say, put me out of misery. this is really doing my head in good.

yes they have neglected to mention about mandatory desexing in oscar's law.....

souff, you are saying me and oscar law people like as though i am part of that group, i am not, i am not part of any group, i just support closing of farms and banning sales in petshops, all the other stuff, sounds like hidden agendas, bills put forward by RSPCA and oscar law people may or may not be partnered with them don't know, i hope not.......it all sounds deeply political to me and really the reason why i say its doing my head in is because i despise politics......kennel clubs that get political absolutely despise it, it can get like that at work places too i am of the mind that i don't need it, don't want to play in it,

Dogsvic are having a forum on puppy farmers in october so it will be interesting to go along and just see what will be said, they are asking what is the best way to tackle this issue, they are asking for input from their members. like DogsQLD are obviously doing, they do name and shame breeders who don't follow the code of ethics they do publish names in the gazette every month i see, and also fine the breeders in some cases or suspend their membership just depends, it seems to be different for each member. i.e. if a breeder breeds a bitch before 12 mths of age or has more litters than they are supposed to according to the rules. also i heard down the line that breeders who have bred alot of litters are being questioned why they are having so many litters. breeders that i've known for many many years. again, it is within the toy group i am speaking about not any other group. i have no idea what is going on with other groups and other breeders of these other groups.

dogsvic did say in one monthly gazette that they do have a dialogue with government departments so maybe RSPCA are pushing for their stuff and dogsvic are counteracting it.

so dogsvic are trying to address this situation of farmers within our ranks i see. but its a very hard issue to address i feel.....who is a farmer who isn't.....who's ethical and who isn't? how do you categorise a farmer thats reg with the ANKC? RSPCA are trying to address puppy farms and also Backyard breeders in the one hit but the problem i have with their bill and what i have read is they are trying to get through to govt by grouping reg breeders in with backyarders and farms.

i think RSPCA should just concentrate on backyarders and farms and let the state controlling bodies deal with their own members RSPCA from what i have read so far have no idea about pedigree dogs but they think they know because UK put out a negative doco on them.

so how would you guys address the issue of farmers within our ranks, what is the best way to deal with them?

another truth, is not all dogs LOVE anyone and everyone on sight. tibetan terriers for example are suspicious of stangers. sooo what does the vet who used Judy Gards rehomed one to send the rspca to raid her.... talked the new owner into letting her put it down because its not properly socialised?

well you would understand this one asal, with our breed, they have a molera some chis? well we all got into discussion at a show one day and apparently one breeder sold a puppy with a molera, young puppy to a person who took it to a vet, and you know what the stupid vet said, put it down dogs should not have a hole in their head, so the poor pup was put down!

so you can get idiot vets. i've had timid chihuahuas.....just the genes its nothing we've done to the animal all our dogs get treated the same, all end up with different personalities just like humans. but inexperienced people might see it as the dogs been hit or abused. think its important to recommend your own vets for new owners to go to rather than just randomly picking a vet that might turn out to be an idiot.

The issue has already been dealt with at that level. Everyone who will be involved in making laws already knows how they will do it and what THEIR definition of a puppy farmer is.What your definition or any one else's definition isnt counted except that because most think its someone who breeds lots of dogs commercially we rally for laws which will stop people breeding dogs on farms in high numbers and we snuggle up with animal lib to do that. Do you really think animal lib and RSPCA dont know this ? The defininition of a puppy farmer is someone who breeds puppies in substandard conditions. Substandard is defined by anyone who is breeding dogs who isnt doing so according to mandatory codes for breeeding establishments [via the DPI] and anyone who isnt according to planning laws applicable in your shire.

The fact is that every person in this country who breeds dogs is already under Prevention of Cruelty to Animals,state companion animals laws, mandatory codes for breeding establishments,and council planning laws. This has nothing what ever to do with whether they are breeding purebred or cross bred dogs, whether they are breeding one or 1000 dogs. So when they bring in laws which affect commercial puppy farmers those laws will affect everyone who owns a fertile bitch.

So far in Victoria breeders have a bit of a blank bit there because state companion animals laws say if you own less than 5 fertile bitches you dont have to worry about laws which tell you what floors you have to have, where you put your poo, how often you clean up, how your dogs can sleep.It also says you dont need a government permit to run a domestic animal business if you are ANKC and have less than 10 fertile bitches but more than 5 and the planning laws cut in anyway for you to be able to breed dogs on your premises. Any one can be an ANKC member and being an ANKC member doesnt stop you breeding non registered dogs as long as you arent doing that with registered dogs.

In NSW its anyone who ever breeds a litter.In Queensland they have a pilot program running on the gold coast which they think is the answer and RSPCA want bought in Australia wide and it is anyone who owns an entire dog they come under the laws. $379 for a licence and an inspection of your home before you get approval to keep an entire dog.

In Victoria you break the law if you dont vaccinate your dogs every year , in NSW you break the law if you dont get a note from your vet to get you out of vaccinating every year.

In NSW they have laws and guidelines - when I asked them when the guidelines cut in - answer - when there is a complaint. These guidelines tell me I have to feed my puppies as Im weaning them in individual bowls, they tell me I cant keep my cats water bowl in the same room as the cats feed bowl!

100% of what is going on here is a desire for the RSPCA to have more police powers Australia wide. That is they can come in seize your dogs,and any paperwork you may have which might prove your case,say anything they want about you and your dogs without you having the right to a second opinion, kill your dogs and destroy the evidence, charge you a massive bond to be able to retain ownership while its coming to court and leave you with no where to go to have them answer to anything you might say in your defence.

There are many many things working against purebred breeders including the one that's been hovering to stop us breeding some of our breeds and being answerable to another agency which will over rule the ANKC and all other groups on welfare issues as has been recommended in the Bateman report and snuggling up to animal liberation and calling for the RSPCA to have more power to police more laws without adequate answerability is folly. Whats more I promise you that any minute private rescue will be under this gun too.

i dont' know what to say to that except :D why don't they bring in hitler.....they might as well. getting to be a communist country with all the laws, bans and what you can have and what you can't. people making laws that benefit themselves it sounds like ;) without getting background knowledge....just point fingers.

many years ago in the 80's when i was still at school there was a paper going around, fascism will come to Australia watch out. think it is already here! we all scoffed at that.

hes already here dear.

except he/she's called a "special constable" now

Edited September 25, 2010 by asal

[toy dog]

The proposed bill that came about after the talks Steve went to. I know it's on DOL some where. This is the one that will in all probability be put forward and is the one most of the people in this thread are referring too, in conjunction with the COP in NSW which I am let to believe will probably be duplicated here.

There is no bill - yet.Since the rally both labour and liberal have said they will introduce harder laws to legislate breeders and RSPCA more power in Victoria

the results of the talks we attended wont be seen for a while as the aim is to push for Australia wide laws, however the things that were discussed in those talks will be seen all over the place as they inject what they can now. For example the pilot program thats running on the gold coast.

on ted ballieu's facebook page there are many people calling for a ban on sales in petshops and close farms down. many are saying we don't need more tightening of laws thats not the answer. but yeah any more bloody laws and it will become communism.

[toy dog]

many of us dont want people coming to our homes sizing up our dogs then taking them away when we aren't home or telling someone unscrupulous, (my worry all the time)

just getting back to this, had a conversation with others some time ago, and apparently there was a couple going around in Victoria reg breeder to reg breeder homes, and asking to take the puppy/dog for walk outside their homes, and trying to nab the dogs. dont' know if they were ever successful. they apparently came to my parents home and asked my mother if they could take the little dog we had for sale outside to give it a walk, mum said, yes i will walk her for you so you could see. mum thought it was a bit odd but we never give over dogs fully in someone's arms ever.

the couple said to mum they'll be back with the money, they never returned they disappeared, i said did anyone get a description of this couple?

pretty scaring stuff thats there's people out there wanting to nab dogs like that and they could end up anywhere on a farm being bred to buggery or anything.

Edited September 26, 2010 by toy dog

[Steve]

i dont' know what to say to that except :D why don't they bring in hitler.....they might as well. getting to be a communist country with all the laws, bans and what you can have and what you can't. people making laws that benefit themselves it sounds like ;) without getting background knowledge....just point fingers.

many years ago in the 80's when i was still at school there was a paper going around, fascism will come to Australia watch out. think it is already here! we all scoffed at that.

Yes this is true - its taken years to get us to where we are now.

Someone said - reputable breeders dont advertise in newspapers or some websites. Now anyone who is worried about being seen to be reputable is too frightened

to advertise in a newspaper or on some websites. Would reputable breeders have chosen not to advertise in newspapers and websites if this idea hadnt have been circulated and put on welfare and animal rights websites around the world?

Do you know that because some breeders want to be seen to be reputable and not advertise their pups in newspapers and some websites where they may be able to sell their puppies sometimes now hand them over to dealers so no one can see they didnt have orders when they bred their bitch? Do you know that some breeders sell puppies to pet shops without papers rather than be SEEN to be other than reputable? Do you know that some breeders who are concerned about not being seen to be reputable have their puppies put down if they cant find them homes?

Then when you dont advertise in newspapers or some websites you take a bow and say this proves you are reputable. Why didnt we say thats a load of crap when it first started?

Because by saying its a load of crap we are worried about looking like we are the ones who are not reputable so we all just shut up and go along with the myth.

Edited September 26, 2010 by Steve

[toy dog]

many years ago in the 80's when i was still at school there was a paper going around, fascism will come to Australia watch out. think it is already here! we all scoffed at that.

hes already here dear.except he/she's called a "special constable" now

thats what nightmare's are made off i think ;)

Edited September 26, 2010 by toy dog

[Steve]

many of us dont want people coming to our homes sizing up our dogs then taking them away when we aren't home or telling someone unscrupulous, (my worry all the time)

just getting back to this, had a conversation with others some time ago, and apparently there was a couple going around in Victoria reg breeder to reg breeder homes, and asking to take the puppy/dog for walk outside their homes, and trying to nab the dogs. dont' know if they were ever successful. they apparently came to my parents home and asked my mother if they could take the little dog we had for sale outside to give it a walk, mum said, yes i will walk her for you so you could see. mum thought it was a bit odd but we never give over dogs fully in someone's arms ever.

the couple said to mum they'll be back with the money, they never returned they disappeared, i said did anyone get a description of this couple?

pretty scaring stuff thats there's people out there wanting to nab dogs like that and they could end up anywhere on a farm being bred to buggery or anything.

I have had a litter of puppies stolen from my home. But what of single women who live in the boonies? What of people with children who dont want strangers coming into their homes? how many regsitered breeders live hundreds of kilometres from the areas where they sell their puppies? I just sold a pup to Perth and that made it impossible for me to have the new owner visit even if I wanted them to. How many reputable registered breeders sell puppies via their website? How many reputable registered breeders dont want to have their homes as open houses for anyone who wants to come and look at them ? Yet we give a tick to it on animal rights and animal welfare propoganda. Why?

edited to add then there is a push for it to be made law and we are all too frightened to say - bugger off. We just agree because if we dont we are seen as the bad guys.

Edited September 26, 2010 by Steve

[asal]

many of us dont want people coming to our homes sizing up our dogs then taking them away when we aren't home or telling someone unscrupulous, (my worry all the time)

just getting back to this, had a conversation with others some time ago, and apparently there was a couple going around in Victoria reg breeder to reg breeder homes, and asking to take the puppy/dog for walk outside their homes, and trying to nab the dogs. dont' know if they were ever successful. they apparently came to my parents home and asked my mother if they could take the little dog we had for sale outside to give it a walk, mum said, yes i will walk her for you so you could see. mum thought it was a bit odd but we never give over dogs fully in someone's arms ever.

the couple said to mum they'll be back with the money, they never returned they disappeared, i said did anyone get a description of this couple?

pretty scaring stuff thats there's people out there wanting to nab dogs like that and they could end up anywhere on a farm being bred to buggery or anything.

I have had a litter of puppies stolen from my home. But what of single women who live in the boonies? What of people with children who dont want strangers coming into their homes? how many regsitered breeders live hundreds of kilometres from the areas where they sell their puppies? I just sold a pup to Perth and that made it impossible for me to have the new owner visit even if I wanted them to. How many reputable registered breeders sell puppies via their website? How many reputable registered breeders dont want to have their homes as open houses for anyone who wants to come and look at them ? Yet we give a tick to it on animal rights and animal welfare propoganda. Why?

edited to add then there is a push for it to be made law and we are all too frightened to say - bugger off. We just agree because if we dont we are seen as the bad guys.

I WASNT TOO frightened to say, look here your shooting yourself in the 80's. get told if you dont agree with this your a puppy farmer.. ... didnt shut up

so im a puppy farmer. you cant speak against or your branded, im branded and it dont wash off even 30 years down the track

am i happy that the precious are caught up in their own net.......finally......... ;)

might have had more sympthay for em if they hadnt decided to sacrifice string for their pathetic vandetta.....

[asal]

ok ... a hypracrite,.....i do feel for judy. ...... this is soul destroying what they have let looose.

laughing at the horror the precious are feeling at realising, finally, (well some, suspect the majority are still comfortably precious(they will probably still be knitting and saying its all a mistake, ill be let out soon as they realise they arrested me by accident , right up till the execution) probably way too late to stop let alone slow the dozer thats going to roll em all.

yes i will always feel sorry for the judy's .

but our own have aided and abetted this.

Edited September 26, 2010 by asal

[asal]

am i sad this train wreak has happend, yes, but i couldnt figure how to get many to see it for the wreak in the making.

maybe being blind, like the precious, is the better way. far less distressing when u cant see or realise your heading for, let alone, in, the kill pen.

ummm whats the odds, 90 percent wouldnt have a clue what moi is talking about would they?

Edited September 26, 2010 by asal

[oakway]

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I have had a litter of puppies stolen from my home. But what of single women who live in the boonies? What of people with children who dont want strangers coming into their homes? how many regsitered breeders live hundreds of kilometres from the areas where they sell their puppies? I just sold a pup to Perth and that made it impossible for me to have the new owner visit even if I wanted them to. How many reputable registered breeders sell puppies via their website? How many reputable registered breeders dont want to have their homes as open houses for anyone who wants to come and look at them ? Yet we give a tick to it on animal rights and animal welfare propoganda. Why?

edited to add then there is a push for it to be made law and we are all too frightened to say - bugger off. We just agree because if we dont we are seen as the bad guys.

What you have written applied to me personally when living in Queensland.

It'd not easy when you live on your own away from the dog hating majority.I have not had puppies stolen but it can be quite frightening at times when strangers come to your home to look at puppies.

I sell puppies inter and intrastate plus overseas. Some of these people have never been to my home but all have been satisfied with the puppy they received.

I personally believe that it is not necessary for people to INSPECT your home to acquire a healthy well adjusted puppy.

Yes, sure it helps the person looking to evaluate that the puppy has been reared in clean healthy surroundings.

But it is not the be all and end all to purchasing a puppy.

We should all be banding together and applying OUR set of standards instead of letting others apply them to us.

We should ALL be aware of our LEGAL rights and be able to apply them when necessary.

How many of you know your legal rights as to persons coming onto your property ....re....your dogs.

Remember laws can vary from state to state so don't take it as gospel that one law applies to all.

We should also have our controlling bodies support in all matters where our dogs and the breeding of them arise, but sadly this is not always the case.

I read a book, an autobiography, by Sarah ??????? living at Bullo River in the NT.

She said in it ...if you can't see the light at the end of the tunnel........go light the bloody thing yourself.

Maybe that's what we should all be doing.

[Souff]

Someone said - reputable breeders dont advertise in newspapers or some websites. Now anyone who is worried about being seen to be reputable is too frightened

to advertise in a newspaper or on some websites. Would reputable breeders have chosen not to advertise in newspapers and websites if this idea hadnt have been circulated and put on welfare and animal rights websites around the world?

Do you know that because some breeders want to be seen to be reputable and not advertise their pups in newspapers and some websites where they may be able to sell their puppies sometimes now hand them over to dealers so no one can see they didnt have orders when they bred their bitch? Do you know that some breeders sell puppies to pet shops without papers rather than be SEEN to be other than reputable? Do you know that some breeders who are concerned about not being seen to be reputable have their puppies put down if they cant find them homes?

Then when you dont advertise in newspapers or some websites you take a bow and say this proves you are reputable. Why didnt we say thats a load of crap when it first started?

Because by saying its a load of crap we are worried about looking like we are the ones who are not reputable so we all just shut up and go along with the myth.

This type of thinking is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

It does nothing to help the dogs.

It does nothing to help the breeders of good dogs.

It does nothing to help a member of the public find those who are breeding good dogs.

It was a total load of crap and still is a total load of crap.

This is exactly why I believe that instead of people talking about banning sites that advertisers of puppies use, FLOOD THOSE SITES with ads from REGISTERED BREEDERS and breed clubs of every type!!!

Encourage Rescue places to advertise their dogs on those sites!!!

Put the facts on those sites!!!

Let the public make up their own mind and make their own choices. They will.

The dog world can sit back and blame fascism and Hitler and Stalin and co now. Those claims are a joke.

Much of this type of thinking came from the purebred dog world itself, trying to promote themselves as an elite bunch - better than the rest so they dont need to advertise "out there".

They would have been far better off, long term, to float their boat of purebred dogs in the mass of advertising that confronts the public when they are looking to buy a dog.

They would then have had a far wider opportunity to promote a better product and to educate the general public at the same time as to WHY the pedigrees of purebred dogs need to be registered - that pedigrees are the family history of dogs and that registered breeders are responsible for the future of dogs.

Well, the chooks are now coming home to roost ..... so much for elitism.

Souff

[Steve]

Someone said - reputable breeders dont advertise in newspapers or some websites. Now anyone who is worried about being seen to be reputable is too frightened

to advertise in a newspaper or on some websites. Would reputable breeders have chosen not to advertise in newspapers and websites if this idea hadnt have been circulated and put on welfare and animal rights websites around the world?

Do you know that because some breeders want to be seen to be reputable and not advertise their pups in newspapers and some websites where they may be able to sell their puppies sometimes now hand them over to dealers so no one can see they didnt have orders when they bred their bitch? Do you know that some breeders sell puppies to pet shops without papers rather than be SEEN to be other than reputable? Do you know that some breeders who are concerned about not being seen to be reputable have their puppies put down if they cant find them homes?

Then when you dont advertise in newspapers or some websites you take a bow and say this proves you are reputable. Why didnt we say thats a load of crap when it first started?

Because by saying its a load of crap we are worried about looking like we are the ones who are not reputable so we all just shut up and go along with the myth.

This type of thinking is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

It does nothing to help the dogs.

It does nothing to help the breeders of good dogs.

It does nothing to help a member of the public find those who are breeding good dogs.

It was a total load of crap and still is a total load of crap.

This is exactly why I believe that instead of people talking about banning sites that advertisers of puppies use, FLOOD THOSE SITES with ads from REGISTERED BREEDERS and breed clubs of every type!!!

Encourage Rescue places to advertise their dogs on those sites!!!

Put the facts on those sites!!!

Let the public make up their own mind and make their own choices. They will.

The dog world can sit back and blame fascism and Hitler and Stalin and co now. Those claims are a joke.

Much of this type of thinking came from the purebred dog world itself, trying to promote themselves as an elite bunch - better than the rest so they dont need to advertise "out there".

They would have been far better off, long term, to float their boat of purebred dogs in the mass of advertising that confronts the public when they are looking to buy a dog.

They would then have had a far wider opportunity to promote a better product and to educate the general public at the same time as to WHY the pedigrees of purebred dogs need to be registered - that pedigrees are the family history of dogs and that registered breeders are responsible for the future of dogs.

Well, the chooks are now coming home to roost ..... so much for elitism.

Souff

Yep. ;)

[toy dog]

This type of thinking is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

It does nothing to help the dogs.

It does nothing to help the breeders of good dogs.

It does nothing to help a member of the public find those who are breeding good dogs.

It was a total load of crap and still is a total load of crap.

This is exactly why I believe that instead of people talking about banning sites that advertisers of puppies use, FLOOD THOSE SITES with ads from REGISTERED BREEDERS and breed clubs of every type!!!

Encourage Rescue places to advertise their dogs on those sites!!!

Put the facts on those sites!!!

Let the public make up their own mind and make their own choices. They will.

The dog world can sit back and blame fascism and Hitler and Stalin and co now. Those claims are a joke.

Much of this type of thinking came from the purebred dog world itself, trying to promote themselves as an elite bunch - better than the rest so they dont need to advertise "out there".

They would have been far better off, long term, to float their boat of purebred dogs in the mass of advertising that confronts the public when they are looking to buy a dog.

They would then have had a far wider opportunity to promote a better product and to educate the general public at the same time as to WHY the pedigrees of purebred dogs need to be registered - that pedigrees are the family history of dogs and that registered breeders are responsible for the future of dogs.

Well, the chooks are now coming home to roost ..... so much for elitism.

Souff

perhaps breed clubs should be pushing PR alot more to the general public, take out yellow page adverts like the chi club in vic did many years ago.

state controlling bodies take out adverts to get to the joe and jane public.

start thinking positive instead of all this negative thinking thats not going to really get us anywhere, preaching to the already converted does no good.

float our boats, blow our trumpets like the gardener did, fight fire with fire. it sure worked to get to the general public through media.

but one reg breeder complaining can't do much it needs a whole group of like minded people to push the points through.

yes sometimes with ANKC and state controlling bodies i swear i can only hear crickets chirping.....

[oakway]

Maybe we could take a leaf out the Toy Dog Club of North Queensland's book and take the dogs to the public instead of asking them to come to us.

[poodlemum]

Very magnanimous of you. :D

If you don't believe me, why not check with DogsQld?. I have no idea why she was screaming about bloodlines, whether the dogs have registrations or not makes no difference to bloodlines.

DogsQld tends to ban people who break the rules. But they do need to know

She was expelled from Dogs Victoria, as well, so sometimes the governing bodies do the right thing ;)

[toy dog]

how about this one, does this sound a bit better, got this from the close puppy factories.org site.

I am typing it as i see it so bear with me, you cannot cut and paste this it is a java application,

WHERE SHOULD YOU BUY A PUPPY FROM?

Purchase your next puppy without fear of supporting puppy factories. find a reputable breeder through your state kennel association i.e. Dogs Victoria.

Generally these breeders will ask questions about your circumstances and environment to ensure you are chosing the most suitable dog for your lifestyle. They provide very high standards of care for their animals and will happily let you meet the parents of your puppy also. By requesting to meet the parents of the puppy and the allowance of you to do so, you can reliably tell if you are purchasing from a reputable breeder.

no mention of coming to a breeder's home? at least they are mentioning an ANKC breeder that is something.

usually what we have done recently is meet the people at a dog show, they get to meet other breeders and see the breed and learn a bit more then we get to know them before they are coming around to our individual houses. other breeders have said it is a case by case situation and you take it from that initial meeting at the show.

Edited September 26, 2010 by toy dog

[toy dog]

i did it again DOUBLE POST AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

Edited September 26, 2010 by toy dog

[toy dog]

Maybe we could take a leaf out the Toy Dog Club of North Queensland's book and take the dogs to the public instead of asking them to come to us.

what did they do, thats very interesting? are you in vic? dogsvic had a dog show in the middle of federation square in melbourne and they plan to have more in the future, it was a virtual dog show to demonstate to the public about dog shows and it was apparently a great hit. wasn't many toys there but if they do it next time i think i will ask our club to participate with our chihuahuas and get a few people together.

[toy dog]

terribly sorry there is more here i went to the next page:

be warned, puppy factories can misled you by calling themselves "registered breeders" they title themselves as such as they are a registered breeder with the council but they are not registered with any kennel club or breed association. Make sure you ask the question so you are informed to make a decision. Ofcourse another option is to adopt a dog from either the RSPCA or another animal shelter at www.adoptapet.com.au.

to ensure you are not supporting the puppy factory industry, you should not purchase your puppy from classified advertisements in newspapers, online or from a petshop.

Edited September 26, 2010 by toy dog

[poodlemum]

terribly sorry there is more here i went to the next page:

be warned, puppy factories can misled you by calling themselves "registered breeders" they title themselves as such as they are a registered breeder with the council but they are not registered with any kennel club or breed association. Make sure you ask the question so you are informed to make a decision. Ofcourse another option is to adopt a dog from either the RSPCA or another animal shelter at www.adoptapet.com.au.

to ensure you are not supporting the puppy factory industry, you should not purchase your puppy from classified advertisements in newspapers, online or from a petshop.

That's going TOO far for my liking - "online" could include Dogzonline and many reputable breeders (myself included) advertise in newspapers, it's just not possible to place all puppies purely by word of mouth