Victoria Proposes Tougher Pet Breeding Laws

[LizT]

Doesnt this part of whats on the Dogs Vic site cover us Rogue breeders.....

"A person who is a member of an Applicable Organisation (including Dogs Victoria, Cat Authority of Victoria, Feline Control Council, Governing Council of the Cat Fancy and Waratah National Cat Alliance) that registers their puppies and/or kittens with that Organisation and has less than 10 fertile females of either species is not required to be registered as a breeding establishment with their Council. The reason for this is that these groups have been approved as Applicable Organisations due to their members being required to operate in accord with a Code of Ethics established by their Organisation. The Code of Ethics established by these organisations mandate responsible breeding and responsible pet ownership principles which are similar to the aims of the mandatory Code of Practice"

Certainly helps my understanding of the situation, thanks" sharonpuggywuggy"!

[LizT]

What shits me the most is I've always done what is in the best interests of my bitches and pups and have made informed and educated decisions. I chip and register, follow the leash laws etc and currently I am a criminal.

Earlier this year I said I wouldn't do it again, as I feel torn. I can't expect others to follow the laws if I won;t follow them myself, but I cannot and will never whelp and raise a litter away from the house.

This is what makes me a law breaker. And to think I could be charged, lose my home and be prevented from owning and showing/breeding a pedigree dog again.

Well, I hope you didn't have those little black things in your loungeroom ..... you rogue breeder you!

Actually, come to think of it one of my litters spent quite a bit of time in the BED-room one cold winter, so I guess that would put you in the rogue category too.

Stoopid people have got the wrong end of the stick, yet again!

Souff

Well I have my Whelping box set up in the bedroom! Why would a "family member " who sleeps in that room suddenly get "put out" at one of the most crucial times of her life????

AND I plan to move the puppies into the family room so they can become acustomed to the "sights and sounds" once they are mobile and old enough.

I must have passed "Rogue Breeding 101!

[Steve]

Doesnt this part of whats on the Dogs Vic site cover us Rogue breeders.....

"A person who is a member of an Applicable Organisation (including Dogs Victoria, Cat Authority of Victoria, Feline Control Council, Governing Council of the Cat Fancy and Waratah National Cat Alliance) that registers their puppies and/or kittens with that Organisation and has less than 10 fertile females of either species is not required to be registered as a breeding establishment with their Council. The reason for this is that these groups have been approved as Applicable Organisations due to their members being required to operate in accord with a Code of Ethics established by their Organisation. The Code of Ethics established by these organisations mandate responsible breeding and responsible pet ownership principles which are similar to the aims of the mandatory Code of Practice"

Certainly helps my understanding of the situation, thanks" sharonpuggywuggy"!

If thats all you are looking at but the Victoria mandatory codes of practice for breeding dogs goes a way lot further than defining when you have to have a permit!

[mita]

Doesnt this part of whats on the Dogs Vic site cover us Rogue breeders.....

"A person who is a member of an Applicable Organisation (including Dogs Victoria, Cat Authority of Victoria, Feline Control Council, Governing Council of the Cat Fancy and Waratah National Cat Alliance) that registers their puppies and/or kittens with that Organisation and has less than 10 fertile females of either species is not required to be registered as a breeding establishment with their Council. The reason for this is that these groups have been approved as Applicable Organisations due to their members being required to operate in accord with a Code of Ethics established by their Organisation. The Code of Ethics established by these organisations mandate responsible breeding and responsible pet ownership principles which are similar to the aims of the mandatory Code of Practice"

I like the sound of this, because what's needed is to work backwards from a code of practice that's mandatory in order to stay a member of a designated reputable organisation.... an organisation which is largely concerned with conformation, health and welfare standards. Not primarily commercial goals.

Only thing missing is how to test the extent that a member conforms with that code. I'm sure someone could come up with a way.

[bullyfan]

LAWS TO STAMP OUT ROGUE PET BREEDERSFrom the Minister for Agriculture

Saturday, 04 September 2010

Victorians who breed puppies or kittens inhumanely risk having the animals seized and their operations shut down under tough new standards to be introduced by the Brumby Labor Government.

Agriculture Minister Joe Helper said animal welfare laws relating to the breeding of dogs and cats will require breeding establishments to register as a domestic animal business if they have five or more fertile female dogs or cats from which they are going to breed.

Mr Helper said these new standards mean it is not just businesses who want to make a profit from breeding animals who would have to register their business.

“Most people breed animals in a responsible and humane way but there are some elements in the industry that exploit animals,” Mr Helper said.

“We will introduce legislation to increase penalties, from $1195 to almost $2400, for pet breeders who don’t register with council as a domestic animal business or that don’t comply with a Code of Practice.”

Mr Helper said there was currently more than 70 registered commercial breeding domestic animal businesses in Victoria and these new regulations will make it easier to monitor who is breeding pets in Victoria and that they are doing it in a way that is acceptable.

“This will help stamp out rogue operators from the pet-breeding industry and make it easier for local councils to shut down and seize animals from pet breeders who are not acting within the law,” he said.

Mr Helper said key measures the Government would take include:

Providing councils with the ability to shut down and immediately seize animals from pet breeders who aren’t treating their animals humanely;

Doubling the penalties for pet breeders who don’t register as a domestic animal business from $1195 to $2389;

Doubling the penalties for pet breeders who don’t comply with the Code of Practice from $1195 per breach to $2389;

Changing what is defined as a domestic animals business from a minimum of 10 cats or dogs for breeding purposes to five;

Applying these laws to pet breeders who don’t intend to make money from their operation so all pet breeders are covered; and

Ensure specialised support from the Department of Primary Industries’ Bureau of Animal Welfare for local Councils to provide training and advice on detection, compliance and prosecution.

Mr Helper said the Government would work closely with councils, animal welfare groups, peak animal breeding associations and pet industry associations to manage these changes.

“We will develop and promote a ‘smart pet buyers’ guide’ in partnership with these same organisations, to give Victorians the best and most up-to-date advice to ensure their purchase of a pet is from a shelter or registered breeder complying with our standards,” he said.

Can someone PLEASE help me out... This WILL be passed if they get in again, and if the opposition gets in, are they going to bring it in tooo????

Edited October 11, 2010 by bullyfan

[*Bones*]

What shits me the most is I've always done what is in the best interests of my bitches and pups and have made informed and educated decisions. I chip and register, follow the leash laws etc and currently I am a criminal.

Earlier this year I said I wouldn't do it again, as I feel torn. I can't expect others to follow the laws if I won;t follow them myself, but I cannot and will never whelp and raise a litter away from the house.

This is what makes me a law breaker. And to think I could be charged, lose my home and be prevented from owning and showing/breeding a pedigree dog again.

Well, I hope you didn't have those little black things in your loungeroom ..... you rogue breeder you!

Actually, come to think of it one of my litters spent quite a bit of time in the BED-room one cold winter, so I guess that would put you in the rogue category too.

Stoopid people have got the wrong end of the stick, yet again!

Souff

Well I have my Whelping box set up in the bedroom! Why would a "family member " who sleeps in that room suddenly get "put out" at one of the most crucial times of her life????

AND I plan to move the puppies into the family room so they can become acustomed to the "sights and sounds" once they are mobile and old enough.

I must have passed "Rogue Breeding 101!

If you are in Victoria, you will be breaking the law. Not knowing about the law is insufficient excuse, as others have found to their cost.

Victoria does not want to shut puppy mills, it wants to get registration money from them. And registered breeders. Puppy mills are more likely to be able to fulfill the requirements.

Mr Helper said there was currently more than 70 registered commercial breeding domestic animal businesses in Victoria and these new regulations will make it easier to monitor who is breeding pets in Victoria and that they are doing it in a way that is acceptable.

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[Frenchfire Frenchies]

Oh My Goodness!!!

This new Proposed Legislation would ruin not just Dog Breeders,

Pet owners,

Pet shops would go broke!!!

Grey hound racing, would suffer drastically.

Vets who specialise in artificial insemination.

Dog Import/Export of pups out of our country!!!

Advertising of our animals,

Webpages and sites such as Petlink etc.

The list goes on and on.

"And for this choice of Hobby, they should have restrictions to merely being able to only OWN A DOG...But hey, you can`t do anything with "YOUR DOG", Don`t take it anywhere, Don`t Breed with it. JUST MAKE SURE YOU FEED IT! You are allowed to do that!!

Some of us take great pride in our dog breeding, that creation of Perfection amongst the breed one has chosen!

My dogs are well, fed, Healthy, much loved members of our family, And that fact that We have chosen to become breeders, Should be OUR CHOICE..

Just sneaky POWER HUNGRY, MISERABLE MINDED People trying to slide a FEW LITTLE UPDATES AND SLIGHTLY CHANGE THE LAW "For the sake of THE ANIMALS" Rubbish!!!

It is all about CONTROL In our future we will have "No Control",

Just like the new Laws that the Government is trying to pass regarding Cars. Anything before 1996 will become obsilete, Knowone will work on them,

No parts will be able to be purchased for them.

The RTA will not register them. You will however be able to buy A NEW CAR.... Yer, right...what about the cheap little run around car??

We were restoring an XD Falcon, nice clean car...'MAYBE WE CAN DO UP A HODTROD" Something for the family...some fun..Yer right the new laws are going to be so tuff cost more than it worth to "try" to comply with THE NEW LEGISLATION.. Anyway wont be able to register the darn thing.Everything destined for "THE CRUSHER!"

SO WHO EXACTLY IS THIS LAW FOR??? PROTECT THE ANIMALS??? MORE LIKE KILL OFF THE ANIMALS!

COME ON AUSSIE`S! Lets do something, Lets try to do something about this!! Petitions...tell your pet store, tell our vets,

Tell EVERYONE!!!!

[ohh la la]

cheak out www.tedbaillieu.com.au tough new enforcement and legislative power to end puppy farms cruelty...

beter than what jon helper wants to bring in. from what lve read ...ted baillieu mp office said start lobbing now for what we want as dog owners

[shortstep]

cheak out www.tedbaillieu.com.au tough new enforcement and legislative power to end puppy farms cruelty...

beter than what jon helper wants to bring in. from what lve read ...ted baillieu mp office said start lobbing now for what we want as dog owners

You need to write in sentences so people can understand what you are trying to say.

After looking at the link I am aussuming that you are an animal rights activist and think that pruebred dog breeders are stupid too, eh?

From your link

The proceeds from seized assets and profits and from fines will be pumped into animal welfare agencies such as the RSPCA, the Lost Dogs Home and the Lort Smith Animal Hospital, said Mr Baillieu. The RSPCA will be given long-sought powers to enter, investigate and seize animals from puppy farms and other companion animal breeding businesses that breach the code of practice.

Oh joy! Exactly what will make every small breeder stop breeding.

There is nothing there to save small home dog breeders in Victoria, stop with the rubbish.

Edited October 12, 2010 by shortstep

[ohh la la]

doesnt matter who gets in thier going to change legislations for dog breeders.goverments have to look like their doing some thing.we need to standup for our rights before changes are made and its to late..at the moment a person who is a member of applicable organisation(including dogs victoria,cat authority of victoria,feline control council,governing council of the cat fancy and waratah national cat alliance)that registers their puppysand /orkittens with that organisation and has less than 10 fertile females of either species is not required to be registered as a breeding establishment with their council...this is the way we should fight to keep it.. other wise wont be long till it spreads to other states..

[shortstep]

doesnt matter who gets in thier going to change legislations for dog breeders.goverments have to look like their doing some thing.we need to standup for our rights before changes are made and its to late..at the moment a person who is a member of applicable organisation(including dogs victoria,cat authority of victoria,feline control council,governing council of the cat fancy and waratah national cat alliance)that registers their puppysand /orkittens with that organisation and has less than 10 fertile females of either species is not required to be registered as a breeding establishment with their council...this is the way we should fight to keep it.. other wise wont be long till it spreads to other states..

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[ohh la la]

very proactive.....

your so smart what would you suggest we do??

do you understand what im saying??

[*Bones*]

very proactive.....

your so smart what would you suggest we do??

do you understand what im saying??

Does anyone?? Some punctuation and capital letters might assist

[whippets]

I feel sorry for the people in 50+ years time that want to buy a beautiful purebred dog.

/sarcasm on

The only dog they'll be able to get is a mongrel from the local pet store that has socialisation issues, questionable heritage and lord only knows what hereditary problems. But it's o.k. if it has a heart problem, or another congenital disease, they'll be able to get Pet Store to ring the local radio station and ask for donations for Penny the pensioners faulty product. It's not the pet stores' fault the dog is like that. Afterall they didn't manufacture it.

/sarcasm off

[dogbesotted]

in my council area a good friend and neighbour applied for approval to have three dogs( lives on 50 acres) .. breeding and showing in the time i have known her 13 years she has bred one litter! but has shows, does obedience, agility etc.. she wanted exemption from builing kennels ( yep kennels for 10 dogs that being the minimum) said in her application that the dogs were pets and would spend their time with family, inside or on the verandah.. and the councilors replied that they had health concerns about that!!!!!!!!

we need to be vigilant as really it is only the law abiding folks who suffer the unethical and the stupid and ignorant just continue ontheir merry way.

most of the animal legislation appears to be ill thought out and a knee jerk reaction so as to be seen to be doingsomething.. the result is usually chaos......and anguish and suffering for the innocent

H

guilty of bad sentance construction and lack of punctuatin as well oh and throw in some spelling errors as well

Edited October 12, 2010 by dogbesotted

[ohh la la]

Cant they see that how they want our dogs housesed is cruel...

We will look like the puppy farmers that they are not happy about and want to close down..

All cement yards and wire cages ,great life for a dog....not

[shortstep]

I feel sorry for the people in 50+ years time that want to buy a beautiful purebred dog.

/sarcasm on

The only dog they'll be able to get is a mongrel from the local pet store that has socialisation issues, questionable heritage and lord only knows what hereditary problems. But it's o.k. if it has a heart problem, or another congenital disease, they'll be able to get Pet Store to ring the local radio station and ask for donations for Penny the pensioners faulty product. It's not the pet stores' fault the dog is like that. Afterall they didn't manufacture it.

/sarcasm off

I think you are being far too optimistic.

I give it less than 30 years.

There will not be pet shops by that time as there will be very very few pet owners that are not in jail.

The only dogs being bred will come from the RSPCA/Uni joint dog breeding program and facilities.

The only people who stand a chance to get a dog (or any pet) will have to be;

1. Inspected by the RSPCA monthly.

2. Permitted by each of the following; their council, state and fed government yearly.

3. Licensed by each of the following; their council, state and fed government yearly.

4. Bonded for the amount of 5 violation fees and/or the cost of their home, which ever is greater.

5. Insured for pet health care, their health care, any injury caused by pet, pet care fees for remainder of pets projected life in case of owners death, suicide or imprisonment due to Pet Ownership Code violations.

6. Paid up in advanced the projected average annual violation penalties of $4000.00 per pet of the 'Pet Ownership Code of Practice'.

7. A member of the Watermelon party

8. Agree to feed only a low carbon vegan diet

9. All excrement must be organically certified as recycled in their own subsistence fruit and veg garden.

9. Must have a Masters degree in NWO CC WR (New World Order, Climate Change and Redistribution of Wealth).

10. Agree to never keep said 'pet' in the inhuman state of being a 'pet' as dictated by the federal policy of "No More Exploitation of Pets Act" and will turn said 'pet' over to the 'For the Greater Good Society' for appropriate disposal of 'pets'.

Or maybe it will be just a little less complicated.

Under the 2025 'Peta' Law it will just be illegal to own, wear or eat animals.

[Frenchfire Frenchies]

Still, I do not understand what exactly "They are really trying to do."

And the comment that the Government has to appear that they are doing something,

My question to the Government would be 'WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIT,

The people who pay their membership to join an organisation? An organistaion that SHOULD BE HELPING TO PROTECT ITS MEMEBERS!

We pay to register our litters, We are Governed by The Canine Council. Aren`t we? We have restrictions and certain rules already. The canine councils themselves stand to loose thousands of dollars if these strict base laws come in, and the cat industry also. Why arent they pubicising this??? why arent they screaming about this!!

This really doesn`t affect the percentage of people who have 40 dogs, as most of them whould be hidden away right out of town, where they can have that many dogs without complaints from unhappy neighbours.

And the poor little average starter breeder, who may just want a taste to see if they like the idea, cant sell in a pet shop (such a shame) What exactly will we be able to purchase at OUR PET SHOPS OF THE FUTURE? Robot doggys?? can`t advertsie (might get a fine).That little person, (who by the way may not decide they dont want a dog anymore. )

What kind of hobby would they suggest our animal loving children, (brought up with dog breeding all around them) What should I tell my children they should pursue?? . Just sit at the computer on facebook and get a fat arse? The streets are definately getting to dangerous to let them just go outside and play. Animals are a wonderful investment for a MILLION different reasons.All of my children want to either breed or show...

Why not put Tougher penalties on caught offenders, of Dog fighting, neglected dogs, animal cruelty, encourage people to report these acts??

Get pet shops on board to help report breeders, "who, they feel are neglecting the animals they bring in for sale." Try to get vets to report cases they feel are neglect.

A N I M A L cruelty should be the agenda.

More television shows showing these people, PUBLIC TRIALS....Oh yer, "Of with their heads!!" I say!

[_PL_]

Some of us take great pride in our dog breeding, that creation of Perfection amongst the breed one has chosen!

I get what you're saying except for the pet stores bit. Surely you wouldn't want your babies sold in pet stores sitting alongside some poor oodle puppy farm produce? They certainly don't have the betterment of your breed in mind when they sell 8wk old pups to anyone with a credit card.

[Frenchfire Frenchies]

No I don`t sell my pups in a pet store, But not everyone can afford to pay for a purebred dog & when I was young I would have probably bought one there. They should be more concern about the health of a breed and the temperament rather than trying to restrict peoples choices. Everyday things are changing in our society, We idiotally sit back and watch it all happen. We do nothing, "there are so many restrictions and laws on so many things nowadays and half the time they are a BANDAID, Not a FIX of something.

I rang a breeder of a BREED in the making "australian Bulldog' yesterday to get them to advertise throughtout their Bulldog community as this will affect 'Every Breeder" in some way. He said to me, Yer, well, we can put it out there, But you know it will do no good, 'you know, cause the government really don`t care,"

I thought about that for along time, Just what he said, He is right.....They change the rules and we just let it happen...

This WILL effect dog breeding in general, and will affect every dog breeder in some way... even if it is through your choice to advertise your pups in the paper of even on DOGZONLINE...Their will be no breeders listings for pups forsale...

The thing is, We need healthy pets....and they only way to do that is to Fine the Law breakers. Fine them so tough that that think twice before they overbreed and neglect their Dog/cat/Bird/rabbit/snake. Lets get fines out there for breeders who STILL try to sell pups unvaccinated