Soliciting Stud Work For Dog

[Stolzseinrotts]

Following on from another topic.

What are your opinions about Stud Dog owners actively seeking out and soliciting stud work for their dogs???

I personaly find it a bit offensive that people feel the need to do that. As a breeder you should know what is out there or at least have an idea of what is available and what may suit your bitch. Why do you need stud dog owners promoting their stud dogs to you with comments like.........

"I think you should use my dog over your bitch, you would get great puppies"

"My dog and your bitch would produce super pups"

"You should use my dog he is Multi (fill in blanks ie titles) and he will help sell your pups"

"You should think about using my dog over Fifi, he has produced this and that, you would get nice puppies"

Promotion by way of advertising is a totally different kettle of fish. I am talking about those owners who actively seek out potential studs (bitch owners) at say shows or where ever a breed gathers is what I am talking about.

What do other breeders think of those who promote their stud dogs in such a way?

Edited September 4, 2010 by Stolzseinrotts

[angelsun]

I find it very tacky...similar to being a pimp I guess. I"ve had a number of stud dog owners over the years, try to entice me to use their boy. Two things....I know what I want in my breeding program long before the generation has been born and most times, the male in question, isn't worth even considering...great stud dogs sell themselves...the ones that need a pimp, are usually substandard or have dodgy owners I find.

[oakway]

I don't find advertising dogs at stud at all offencive.

Plenty of us do it.

Just go and have a look at the DOL advertisements.

[fifi]

"You should think about using my dog over Fifi, he has produced this and that, you would get nice puppies"

:dancingelephant: oh no.....I'm besmirched....woof..... :dancingelephant:

Now, to your question ! I think if you havn't already done your research and know what's out there, especially in our day of the internet & frozen semen, then as a breeder you are letting yourself down.

In the old days, when breed magazine or dog press was the only way people saw distant dogs, it was the norm to have many stud dog ads. I love looking at old Our dogs & dog world from the UK !

fifi

[ellz]

To me it depends upon context.

For example, I'd die before I would bowl up to somebody and cold-canvas them to use any dog that I owned, BUT, if I were talking to somebody at a show and having conversation about breeding direction or virtues etc, then I would most certainly suggest my dog if it were a situation where he has proven to be dominant at fixing or cementing a particular trait, or if his bloodlines are compatible or even if he would make a suitable outcross.

And I see no problems whatsoever in advertising my dog at stud or placing profiles etc in places where people may frequent. In a breed with the gene pool the size that mine has, it can be difficult to keep up with who has which dogs or bloodlines, so sometimes you might find a dog in the most obscure and unexpected places.

Edited September 4, 2010 by ellz

[Stolzseinrotts]

"You should think about using my dog over Fifi, he has produced this and that, you would get nice puppies"

:dancingelephant: oh no.....I'm besmirched....woof.....

fifi

ooopss sorry Fifi...........

I have no problem with advertising of a Stud Dog in a doggy magazine, internet etc. I enjoy looking at ads.

I have a problem with those who actively chase up stud work for their dogs by direct contact.

Angelsun I agree, I see it as pimping!

[Andisa]

I got this in August but never bothered to reply - I found it tacky. 2 photos were included and I probably should have called to find out if he was on full papers, if not then maybe the breeder would be interested.

Subject - Male pug ready for breeding

Dear Lisa,

We have a 1.5 year old pug puppy (Fawn). As you can see from the attachments, he is a very nice looking boy, full of wrinkle on his face, double curly tale, full of muscle. He is ready for breeding and always after girls. We are private own him and he is a happy boy, very social and obedient, runs with large and small dogs.

He is with “ Certificate of Registration and Pedigree”

Name: GRAYVILLEN CHARLIE 3100218045

Breed: Pug

Country of Origin: Australia

Sex: Male

Date of Birth: 25/03/2009

Color: Fawn

Issued by: Victorian Canine Association Inc.

If you would like further information, please do not hesitate to contact W***e B***d on 0429******.

Or Email : I-********hotmail.com

Thank you for your time.

W***e B***d

Location: Moorabbin, 3165,VIC

edited to remove personal details

Edited September 4, 2010 by Andisa

[WreckitWhippet]

I too think it's tacky but I do appreciate those who advertise their dogs in journals/online etc so you can see what's out there.

[angelsun]

There is a HUGE difference between advertising a male in a magazine, stating wins and health clearances and that he is availble for breeding, compared to emailing people in that breed and stating matter of factly, breed to this dog and all your problems will be solved.

I have no issues doing advertising for dogs, or reading it. I do take great offence at those that email or call me and insist I use their stud dog (and many can't take no for an answer!)

[Shazzapug]

I got this in August but never bothered to reply - I found it tacky. 2 photos were included and I probably should have called to find out if he was on full papers, if not then maybe the breeder would be interested.

Subject - Male pug ready for breeding

Dear Lisa,

We have a 1.5 year old pug puppy (Fawn). As you can see from the attachments, he is a very nice looking boy, full of wrinkle on his face, double curly tale, full of muscle. He is ready for breeding and always after girls. We are private own him and he is a happy boy, very social and obedient, runs with large and small dogs.

He is with “ Certificate of Registration and Pedigree”

Name: GRAYVILLEN CHARLIE 3100218045

Breed: Pug

Country of Origin: Australia

Sex: Male

Date of Birth: 25/03/2009

Color: Fawn

Issued by: Victorian Canine Association Inc.

If you would like further information, please do not hesitate to contact W***e B***d on 0429******.

Or Email : I-********hotmail.com

Thank you for your time.

W***e B***d

Location: Moorabbin, 3165,VIC

edited to remove personal details

LOL Liz I got the same email and I bounced it back to them.....losers.

[yarracully]

Personally I would question the quality of the dog if they have to go out and push it onto you. If the dog was any good you would already know about it without them shoving it down your throat.

But perhaps I am looking at this from the wrong angle.

[becks]

but if you don't promote the dog, how are you going to afford the next holiday, new outfit, decorating the house, buying a new car.....?

(said tongue in cheek!)

[oakway]

I got this in August but never bothered to reply - I found it tacky. 2 photos were included and I probably should have called to find out if he was on full papers, if not then maybe the breeder would be interested.

Subject - Male pug ready for breeding

Dear Lisa,

We have a 1.5 year old pug puppy (Fawn). As you can see from the attachments, he is a very nice looking boy, full of wrinkle on his face, double curly tale, full of muscle. He is ready for breeding and always after girls. We are private own him and he is a happy boy, very social and obedient, runs with large and small dogs.

He is with “ Certificate of Registration and Pedigree”

Name: GRAYVILLEN CHARLIE 3100218045

Breed: Pug

Country of Origin: Australia

Sex: Male

Date of Birth: 25/03/2009

Color: Fawn

Issued by: Victorian Canine Association Inc.

If you would like further information, please do not hesitate to contact W***e B***d on 0429******.

Or Email : I-********hotmail.com

Thank you for your time.

W***e B***d

Location: Moorabbin, 3165,VIC

edited to remove personal details

;) :D

[yarracully]

but if you don't promote the dog, how are you going to afford the next holiday, new outfit, decorating the house, buying a new car.....?

(said tongue in cheek!)

Thanks Becks, you have just pointed out to me why I don't have a new car, or outfit and haven't been on a decent holiday for 15 years. (one that doesn't involve being up before the sun and racing like mad to get to an oval to sit around on all day)

Now I have seen the light. Must now go and look up the yellow pages to find a publicity company to handle my advertising of my three males.

Bye all and see you in the Bahamas: Villa 29, Rich Bugger Avenue

[asal]

"You should think about using my dog over Fifi, he has produced this and that, you would get nice puppies"

:D oh no.....I'm besmirched....woof.....

fifi

ooopss sorry Fifi........... :D

I have no problem with advertising of a Stud Dog in a doggy magazine, internet etc. I enjoy looking at ads.

I have a problem with those who actively chase up stud work for their dogs by direct contact.

Angelsun I agree, I see it as pimping!

shock horror, FIFI'S name needs to be removed immediately, poor fifs talk about lack of privacy?

had a funny conversation about this just last week.

attended a seminar on cancer research and three out of 6 dogs declared beyond veterinary help with brain cancers were still alive 1 to 2 years later with no detectable tumurs via mri scans, all but matilda had their names deleted (hers had missed the delete button somehow, well so far) as the lecturer had been told recently it was an invasion of privacy to make the patients names public?

even dogs :)

somehow id be thinking they owners would be over the moon with delight?

what would others think?

n to think we can see dogs being saved but its not available for humans yet.

umm come to think of it, if your in melbourn, n been pronouced beyond help your doc can get u referred to one of the three hospitals that are now commencing trials soo its limping into the human sphere finally

[Miranda]

I too think it's tacky but I do appreciate those who advertise their dogs in journals/online etc so you can see what's out there.

Agree

[FHRP]

I have asked someone if they had/would consider using my dog on a certain bitch, I even asked about leasing that bitch for a litter from my dog. I own dogs, so I don't breed. I believe my boy is a nice dog, I know his conformation faults, he has more than proven himself in many disciplines including the show ring. However, the majority of breeders in this breed don't look past the show ring side, and IMO are missing nice dogs. I honestly don't know where I would go at this stage for another dog in my breed as there is a lot out there that doesn't interest me, I'd like to see some proven working ability! I would like something sired by my dog and the particular bitch I enquired about has lines that interst me a great deal. I personally thought it would be a good mating.

I don't try and pimp my dogs out, and I have done extremely limited advertising. I'm not looking to make money, but would like something from my boys for my next pups. I am considering leasing a bitch if possible or even purchasing a bitch next time so I can breed what I want

Suggesting to someone that your boy might suit their girl to me isn't offensive, if it's genuine. To suggest that your boy might suit any bitch in the breed, especially sight unseen, is... tacky.

[PomsNZ]

I have had the public ring me, on 2 occasions.

First one, she had a male pom that she said she would *let me* use on my bitches.

me... Oh.. um.. ok.. whats his pedigree name?

her... Oh, he doesnt have any papers, i got him from a pet shop

me.. Oh, so you dont even know if hes a purebreed then?

her... oh he is, he is that lovely gold color all you breeders want.

me.. well have you at least health tested him?

her... done what?????

yes i would have the privilege of using her maybe purebred but unreg untested dog on my bitches, for a unrelated puppy of mine.. with papers of course. I still think she was mystified why i politely (for once) told her i wouldnt use him

another one wanted to know if Partis were common, and would i be interested in using her boy.. he did have papers, he WAS patella cleared but he weighed about TWICE the normal size!

my girl is on the tiny side anyways, so putting a 5 kg dog on a just-pushing-2kgs was out of the question.

I get calls asking to use my dogs, but it kinda blew me away that they would think i needed to use their dogs! lol

[Stolzseinrotts]

Thank you for the replies.

I am all for seeing adds for dogs, like I have stated, I like seeing adds promoting a dog or dogs. I have a couple of boys myself but I would never actively push / solicite for somebody to use them, I find that very offensive and honestly very inappropriate and therefore would not do it.

I suppose at the end of the day each to their own.

It has been an interesting thread and one where it seems it happens a lot more than I had thought.

Andisa, thank you for sharing the email. Sadly I have had a few like that as well........I just shake my head.

FHRP, I understand why you have done what you have, I get that and I hope you get a puppy from one of your boys as you would like. I also don't think the AB show ring is the be all and end all when it comes to breeds that are supposed to be a complete package. Personally the show results that mean something of worth to me are the ones from Championship Specialty Shows where you have large numbers of a breed competing. But like any show it is the judges opinion and we can agree or disagree with the results, that is why S. Shows are good as you really never know who will win until it happens and every judge has their own personal likes and dislikes.

PomsNZ, what can I same but ............Some people really have no idea do they.

[Mystiqview]

I find it offensive.

I would prefer a dog used on its merit(s). A good dog should not need to be pimped to all and sundry. People know a good dog and through word of mouth they get all the advertising they need.