RubyStar Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Actually you're right laid back is not really descriptive of the temperament I'm thinking of it's more that they are an 'all rounder' type of dog, again it could just be perception but they aren't overly represented in the pounds yet the numbers of pups selling are huge suggesting that the people who get them are on the whole quite happy with them, or at least happy enough that they don't get dumped in huge numbers. From what I can tell from the pound listings here staffys are more highly represented in the pounds which suggests that they are less suitable for the 'average' owner? There are Labs-a-plenty in rescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzat Xolo Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 (edited) ? oops sorry wrong thread! Edited September 6, 2010 by Wazzat Xolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janba Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Seriously, though, people have a strange idea of what the Poodle temperament is. Poodles were, after all, originally bred for water retrieving and can still be all-purpose utility dogs. Amongst dogs I have bred are those with Tracking titles, Herding titles & general Obedience titles. Poodles are also VERY people-orientated. I've never seen a poodle with a herding title, at least not in this country as they are not an eligable breed. Why? Under ANKC regulations the eligable breeds are Group 5, plus Bernese Mountain Dog, Canaan Dog, Keeshond, Kerry Blue Terrier, Norwegian Elkhound, Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier, Tibetan Terrier, Standard Schnauzer, Giant Schnauzer and Rottweiller. All breeds who have a history of herding. It is much like gundog trials are restricted to gundogs. Samoyed Sorry forgot the Samoyed and I even train herding regularly with a couple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonlime Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 (edited) It's very easy to say choose another breed but how many non shedding breeds have the laid back temp of the lab? The ones I've seen suggested in threads are often very high drive breeds which may not necessarily suit the average owner. The ones that would should be promoted as such if they fit the criteria for the average owner. WoofnHoof, I just had to ask, how many Labs have you met? You cant generalise like that. The more Labs I meet (and yes I have owned a few myself), the more I realise they are not the "perfect family pet". People believe too much of what they read. Don't get me wrong, I love the breed but they are definately NOT for everyone nor would I label them "laid back". And i'm not even going to comment on the Labrador x Poodle part of this thread as it makes my blood boil!!! Edited September 6, 2010 by groupfive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 I am so over discussing DDs. If the *dog breed in the making* folk can get it to breed true, do all the health testing and get it recognised, then more power to them. Just change the bloody name to make it do more than just trade on two of its component breeds. And keep it OUT of Group 3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Group 3?? Jed faints. Yep, good luck to the breeders. I hope they succeed. The majority of the public buys labradoodlies because they are promoted, and incredibly cute as pups. Who wouldn't want one? Portugese Water Dog, Irish Water Spaniel, Spinone are totally unknown to the general pet buying public, and of course, the dogs are harder to acquire but they would be eminently suitable. And they are just as cute as pups. Not to mention the poodle, which, imho, has copped totally unwarranted bad press. Friend has always had a standard poodle, for about the last 100 years. Always with what she calls a "working" hairdo. Latest one is brown (chocolate? red?), with a very bad do - I suspect she does him with the electric hedge trimmers!! He is an awesome watchdog, totally obedient, and collects new friends as horse manure collects flies. New friends have nfi what he is and want someone just like him. That's how people choose dogs. And from TV - it's only a very few people who properly research the breeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 It's very easy to say choose another breed but how many non shedding breeds have the laid back temp of the lab? The ones I've seen suggested in threads are often very high drive breeds which may not necessarily suit the average owner. The ones that would should be promoted as such if they fit the criteria for the average owner. WoofnHoof, I just had to ask, how many Labs have you met? You cant generalise like that. The more Labs I meet (and yes I have owned a few myself), the more I realise they are not the "perfect family pet". People believe too much of what they read. Don't get me wrong, I love the breed but they are definately NOT for everyone nor would I label them "laid back". And i'm not even going to comment on the Labrador x Poodle part of this thread as it makes my blood boil!!! If you read on I did actually revise my laid back comment, it's more that the lab has an all round temp which appears to be popular, yes there are plenty of labs in pound but compared to the vast amounts being bred it seems that their popularity isn't just because they are cute pups. The other popular breed the staffy far outnumbers labs in pounds. When I was very young we had a couple of labs and yes they were very laid back I've also known a few boisterous ones too but overall it's been a popular breed for a very long time so obviously the breed has a lot to offer the average owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frufru Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 (edited) Fun loving family pet, intelligent and OMG a poodle coat Oh, and did I mention they are cute as puppies Seriously, I find most peoples objections to poodles are based on a complete lack of knowledge and have a lot to do with a haircut. As a groomer I can easily make a poodle look like a crossbred designer mutt but it is very hard to make a cross bred into a BIS poodle (or even a well groomed pet poodle) Edited September 6, 2010 by frufru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Midniara~ Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 If the *dog breed in the making* folk can get it to breed true, do all the health testing and get it recognised, then more power to them.Just change the bloody name to make it do more than just trade on two of its component breeds. I mentioned this earlier in the thread and I completely agree with this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 But this is sooooo much cuter frufru! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frufru Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Is that a Portie baby ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bow Wowy Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 I think I want a standard poodle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Is that a Portie baby ????? Sure is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frufru Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Awwww, more Portie pics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labsrule Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 I have been biting my tongue on this thread as the subject matters sh!ts me big time . However I need to correct the misinformation about the Labrador's temperament by quoting the "OFFICIAL DESCRIPTION" of the Labrador Temperament: Temperament: Intelligent, keen and biddable, with a strong will to please. Kindly nature, with no trace of aggression or undue shyness. This is why they are so popular and the No. 1 most popular dog in Australia, U.S., U.K. and many other countries, in fact they are reportedly the No.1 most popular dog in the world. Yes unfortunately, many people expect our wonderful breed to be born a perfectly trained "guide dog" , and shock horror they end up with over the top out of control youngsters that they abandon/rehome as they have not put in the required effort to meet their Labs needs . However, these owners are far far far outnumbered by the owners that have been able to meet their Labs needs and both owners and labs live very happy and fulfilled lives together . I will refrain from commenting on the LD as I will probably be kicked off the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Awwww, more Portie pics... Unfortunately this one was raised with Staffords, so got the lazy Stafford sit! Someone who knew her said this was her intelligent look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frufru Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Can they be shown in that bottom trim, Sandra???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Can they be shown in that bottom trim, Sandra???? What the bare bottom Well the standard does say "normally" or "generally" or some such word in regards to the traditional trim so you could argue the point all day. When I had her in that trim she was doing agility and obedience and just went to one conformation show - which just so happened to be judged by someone who was actually interested in the breed (great rarity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 How gorgeous is a poodle, or a PWD, when you see the photos? Why wouldn't the public like one of them? What's not to like? (Think I want one myself now ) Friend's poo has the PWD hairdo, and he sure is popular. I didn't think poodles or PWD were particularly high drive? Both breeds should not be difficult for the average owner, as the labrador is not difficult. But, he is a biggish, intelligent dog, and needs training, and an owner who is a bit smarter than he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitka Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 Mind you, type is as type does, as seen in my own breed. Hehe, the Wheatens they used could be causing their problems! Lots of breeds have type issues, go to a dog show and look at the GSDs, and that is just (presumably) the ones bred with conformation in mind. There was one Wheaten used that was throwing puppies with undershot jaws. She was only bred from once and then returned to her breeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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