Elfin Posted August 31, 2010 Author Share Posted August 31, 2010 Her name is nearly as common as "Jane Smith", BUT.... I just looked her up on Facebook, and there she was!!! Picture and all, with hobbies listed as "dogs" and "beach"!!!! This is the first time I have smiled in days! At least I know she was not lying about her name. Anyway, I am going to leave it in the hands of the police and Bayside council. Will keep you posted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverHaze Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 At least you can now positively link the dog to her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archerlove Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 This is my inner thigh(!) after an altercation with a little Staffie at an off the leash park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archerlove Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 That was the first time I`ve uploaded a picture to DOL.Got so confused I did it twice!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leithy Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Definately take photos love, date them and time them and record everything. All stands as evidence. so sorry to hear about your poor dog, hope he heals well and no long lasting damage incurred. Healing vibes ur way xo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Her name is nearly as common as "Jane Smith", BUT....I just looked her up on Facebook, and there she was!!! Picture and all, with hobbies listed as "dogs" and "beach"!!!! This is the first time I have smiled in days! At least I know she was not lying about her name. Anyway, I am going to leave it in the hands of the police and Bayside council. Will keep you posted... You'll pass on the facebook info to them wont you. good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniseirish Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 What a shocking story Elfin, I'm also very sorry and worried as well as I occasionally go to the Brighton Dog Beach, in fact I was there on Monday. Our Cocker is quite timid and wouldn't stand a chance against such a dog. I'm amazed nobody said or did anything to help at the time, I would have been livid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaves Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Elfin, so sorry to hear about Bernard. hope he heals quickly and has no long lasting physical or emotional/psychological damage Hope you can make this person pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malsrock Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) What are the general laws governing off leash areas where the normal leash control is not required???. I don't mean someone allowing their dog to terrorise others and act aggressively, but dog's being dog's in what is essentially a free for all environment, any dog could snap and bite given the right stimulus completely out of character for the most responsible owner which can happen quickly as we know. Your dog could be terrific with other dogs and playing beautifully as it has done a hundred times before, then could suddenly end up in a fight and hurt another dog which could have been triggered by the other dog, but by the time you can recall or physically collect the dog, it's over and the damage has been done.........where do you stand legally in a designated area that permits dogs to run free, exercice and play together???. Fiona Edited September 1, 2010 by malsrock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirty Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 If your dog attacks another dog, you pay the bill. Simple as that. If its out of character, thats a shame, but it doesn't mean you don't have to pay up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malsrock Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) If your dog attacks another dog, you pay the bill. Simple as that. If its out of character, thats a shame, but it doesn't mean you don't have to pay up! I thought perhaps given that it could be virtually impossible to control a dog running free with others at every moment, it may have been an enter at your own risk situation when there are no requirements for dogs to be physically restrained in those areas...........No???. Fiona Edited September 1, 2010 by malsrock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrie Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I wouldn't think so. If a tyre blew out on my car through no fault of my own and I caused damage to someone elses car as a consequence I am still liable to pay the damages as I am the one (supposedly) in control of the car. Not actually comparing my dog to a car just using the above as an example. My dog=my responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I have no idea what the situation as to liability is in off leash dog parks. Perhaps it depends if witnesses are sure that one dog actually attacked the other (versus a play session turning into a mutual fight?) Now, if an offleash dog approaches your onleash dog in an onleash area, then I believe they are liable for damages since they're breaking the law - no matter who starts the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) In NSW, if your dog attacks another dog then you pay the bills. In January there was a horrific incident at a dog park. A lady with two shihtzu types had one of them severely mauled by an off leash staffy being walked by the father of the owner. The poor little soul underwent several surgeries, one at my own vet and a couple at the vet specialist centre. Bills totalled $7,000. The man paid but the dog still died. I sincerely hope the staffy was euthanased. There would have been a council warning on it. The attack was completely unprovoked and savage in nature. To my amazement on one blog I read, someone blamed the shihtzu's owner for the incident as "she placed her dog in a dangerous situation". WTF??? The staffy's owner/walker was 100% responsible. You don't take that sort of dog to an off leash park unless you are a complete moron do you? If any of my dogs had behaved in the way described, they would no longer be with me. If any of my dogs looked like they'd ever attack another animal, they'd never be given a second chance, they'd never go off lead again. Far too many morons out there who do not think of others and know what their dogs are like but don't give a stuff. Hit them in the hip pocket and protect society from them and their animals, not nearly enough is done in this regard because we hear about these attacks all the time. Edited September 1, 2010 by dogmad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helen Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 What a shame, hope everything is OK and turns out well in the end. I have been there a few times and found the dogs all really friendly, doesn't stop the occassional stupid owner coming in though I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 What are the general laws governing off leash areas where the normal leash control is not required???. I don't mean someone allowing their dog to terrorise others and act aggressively, but dog's being dog's in what is essentially a free for all environment, any dog could snap and bite given the right stimulus completely out of character for the most responsible owner which can happen quickly as we know.Your dog could be terrific with other dogs and playing beautifully as it has done a hundred times before, then could suddenly end up in a fight and hurt another dog which could have been triggered by the other dog, but by the time you can recall or physically collect the dog, it's over and the damage has been done.........where do you stand legally in a designated area that permits dogs to run free, exercice and play together???. Fiona All dogs need to be under effective voice control at all times. The law is pretty straight forward. You are not allowed to let your dog harrass anyone. If they ask you to call your dog, you have to call it back immediately and the dog has to come back. The Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 megan is right, in Vic effective control means your dog comes back as soon as you call it. It also means you are PAYING ATTENTION to your dogs behaviour. There is also a distance limit to what is effective control either way this idiot needs to be held responsible. As for facebook, she wont be hard to track down particularly if her profile is public and as many do, tend to stick up photos of their car and rego plates *derrr* Her phone number will also have an address attached to it or the council can just phone her through their own records. I'm surprised they've been so slow, melbourne councils are usually all over this like a rash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacqui835 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 In NSW, if your dog attacks another dog then you pay the bills.In January there was a horrific incident at a dog park. A lady with two shihtzu types had one of them severely mauled by an off leash staffy being walked by the father of the owner. The poor little soul underwent several surgeries, one at my own vet and a couple at the vet specialist centre. Bills totalled $7,000. The man paid but the dog still died. I sincerely hope the staffy was euthanased. There would have been a council warning on it. The attack was completely unprovoked and savage in nature. To my amazement on one blog I read, someone blamed the shihtzu's owner for the incident as "she placed her dog in a dangerous situation". WTF??? The staffy's owner/walker was 100% responsible. You don't take that sort of dog to an off leash park unless you are a complete moron do you? If any of my dogs had behaved in the way described, they would no longer be with me. If any of my dogs looked like they'd ever attack another animal, they'd never be given a second chance, they'd never go off lead again. Far too many morons out there who do not think of others and know what their dogs are like but don't give a stuff. Hit them in the hip pocket and protect society from them and their animals, not nearly enough is done in this regard because we hear about these attacks all the time. The thing is I think people do know their dogs, they just don't seem to care. My dog has a scar above his eye and 2 on his lip now from the Am Staff that attacked him the other week. When it happened the guy wasn't surprised at all, and was just like, oh he's fine so long as he has his ball in his mouth. Incidentally, he actually dropped the ball on my dogs' head so he could attack him. Fortunately he has now been banned from having his dog off-lead I think, at least from the park anyway, and I have not seen him since. All I can think though is thank god my dog is so big, the Am Staff had attacked 5 other dogs and all of them had much more severe injuries I think because they were so much smaller. Only one tried to fight back, a red cattle dog, and he was the worst injured of all because it was much harder to separate them. But yeah, complete moron is the only explanation that I think fits. I don't understand what the good outcome is when you know that you have a dog who wants to kill other dogs and you still decide to take it to an off-lead park. Either they kill another dog probably getting injured in the process, or they get killed or seriously injured by another dog trying to defend themselves - doesn't make any sense to me. Hardest part about an attack though I think is how long it takes the human to get over it. In my case, I now avoid letting my dog interact with unknown staffies or am stafs, just because I feel like should another turn on him, he just doesn't seem to stand a chance even though he's a big powerful dog. It's sad, since there are so many staffies around, but I've just seen one too many attacks now and I can't seem to get over it :s He still has two friends though, one staffy and one am staff that he plays well with, and the owners have made an effort with the training and socialisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfin Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) I have just spoken again to the ranger at Bayside council. It could take two to three months before anything happens. They haven't even tried to contact the owner of the dog yet. Why am I bothering? ETA: I emailed a full report to them on Monday and the vet report, yesterday. Edited September 1, 2010 by Elfin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 It could take two to three months before anything happens. They haven't even tried to contact the owner of the dog yet. What a load ... ask to speak to management NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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