SeeGee Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Hi team, Every now and again Charlie (male, desexed, 15.5 month old beagle on raw diet) does the inward pant. It can happen when he is just lying in bed under the covers with us, or sometimes when he is just trotting around the house. When it happens at night in bed, i sit up and give him a little belly rub and he stops, and when he does it trotting around the house, it never lasts long. Its like a hacking inward snort type thing. Im not talking about the beagle snort thats normal - this is definitly different..... Its not everyday or night, maybe once a week? Id love any input, i dont know if this is normal, or whether I should present to the vets... Kind Regards jacqui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 i have a brachy breed and she does this. i have found blowing gently into her nostrils stops it the quickest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 It sounds a bit like a reverse sneeze. It is generally not harmful (even though it sounds like they are dying) Reverse sneezing itself rarely requires treatment. If the sneezing stops, the spasm is over. Oftentimes, you can massage the dog’s throat to stop the spasm; sometimes it’s effective to cover the nostrils, which makes the dog swallow, which clears out whatever the irritation is and stops the sneezing. If the episode doesn't end quickly, you can try depressing the dog’s tongue, which opens up the mouth and aids in moving air through the nasal passages. Treatment of the underlying cause, if known, is useful. If mites are in the laryngeal area, your veterinarian may use drugs such as ivermectin to get rid of the mites. If allergies are the root of the problem, your veterinarian may prescribe antihistamines. Because reverse sneezing is not a severe problem, do not worry about leaving your dog home alone; if it occurs when you're not there, the episode will most likely end on its own. from vet partners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeGee Posted August 18, 2010 Author Share Posted August 18, 2010 Thanks guys! Ill monitor it, but you guys sound like you are on the money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 yep its what i call a reverse sneeze, as aussielover said, not harmful but soiunds bad. i stop them because she seems so uncomfortable so that when i hold her mouth gently closed and blowing into her nostrils until she stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I've found massaging the throat to work well to stop it. It happens with Erik a bit and he seems to appreciate the throat rub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeGee Posted August 18, 2010 Author Share Posted August 18, 2010 Thanks All!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowenhart Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Making them swallow also helps. Clamp mouth shut and rub the front of their throat. I had a chronic reverse sneezer (had a nasal tumour which exacerbated the situation) and he learnt to swallow on command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 i think the blowing just makes her swallow come to think of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruffy n Flea Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 i wish to god i knew what this is just so i would know if either of my two ever do it!!! my two get the hiccups but that's not so much of a concern... sorry, pardon the interruption :0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 i wish to god i knew what this is just so i would know if either of my two ever do it!!!my two get the hiccups but that's not so much of a concern... sorry, pardon the interruption :0 its sort of like a cough/sneeze where the dog sucks the air in not cough or sneeze it out. it sometimes sounds like they are clearing their throat. sorry its hard to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruffy n Flea Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 i wish to god i knew what this is just so i would know if either of my two ever do it!!!my two get the hiccups but that's not so much of a concern... sorry, pardon the interruption :0 its sort of like a cough/sneeze where the dog sucks the air in not cough or sneeze it out. it sometimes sounds like they are clearing their throat. sorry its hard to explain. hey thanks for that! my two seem to do all the usual things [for them at least] including the odd gag, sneeze, snuffle with a cough here and there, but nothing like what's described here, which i reckon would be a little scary to me... i agree, it would be hard to explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I am alarmed at the thought of 'clamping' a dogs mouth shut that is reverse sneezing Many dogs are distressed when this occurs and the more forceful actions such as holding their nose or clamping their mouths will only stress them more. It is thought to be cause by an irritation with or around the soft palate. Bracchy breeds are more prone usually becuase of elongated palates and other issues relating to the respiratory system. It can happen in any breed however. Sometimes, windy conditions, spring and dust can exascerbate it. My advice is to leave the dog alone when it happens or gently reassure them. You can not make it stop until the irritant (be that a soft palate that is hanging in the airway or soemthing else) is gone. If it persists, give the dog a drink and this will hopefully settle the palate, if this is what it is, or wash away any irritant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeeGee Posted August 18, 2010 Author Share Posted August 18, 2010 thanks Anne, I just give charlie a soft tummy rub when he does it and he settles - i appreciate your input! Thansk jacqui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I am alarmed at the thought of 'clamping' a dogs mouth shut that is reverse sneezing Many dogs are distressed when this occurs and the more forceful actions such as holding their nose or clamping their mouths will only stress them more. It is thought to be cause by an irritation with or around the soft palate. Bracchy breeds are more prone usually becuase of elongated palates and other issues relating to the respiratory system. It can happen in any breed however. Sometimes, windy conditions, spring and dust can exascerbate it. My advice is to leave the dog alone when it happens or gently reassure them. You can not make it stop until the irritant (be that a soft palate that is hanging in the airway or soemthing else) is gone. If it persists, give the dog a drink and this will hopefully settle the palate, if this is what it is, or wash away any irritant. no need to be alarmed its not clamping and the dogs is very happy to have this done as it reassures her. dont read too much into something that is hard to explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 (edited) I am alarmed at the thought of 'clamping' a dogs mouth shut that is reverse sneezing Many dogs are distressed when this occurs and the more forceful actions such as holding their nose or clamping their mouths will only stress them more. It is thought to be cause by an irritation with or around the soft palate. Bracchy breeds are more prone usually becuase of elongated palates and other issues relating to the respiratory system. It can happen in any breed however. Sometimes, windy conditions, spring and dust can exascerbate it. My advice is to leave the dog alone when it happens or gently reassure them. You can not make it stop until the irritant (be that a soft palate that is hanging in the airway or soemthing else) is gone. If it persists, give the dog a drink and this will hopefully settle the palate, if this is what it is, or wash away any irritant. no need to be alarmed its not clamping and the dogs is very happy to have this done as it reassures her. dont read too much into something that is hard to explain It wasn't you who used this terminology and that I was quoting. You said "....when i hold her mouth gently closed...." which is a little different. The term 'clamping shut' would give readers the idea they should use force to close the dogs mouth. Nothing needs to be done and doing this may stress the animal more. Edited August 18, 2010 by ~Anne~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I am alarmed at the thought of 'clamping' a dogs mouth shut that is reverse sneezing Many dogs are distressed when this occurs and the more forceful actions such as holding their nose or clamping their mouths will only stress them more. It is thought to be cause by an irritation with or around the soft palate. Bracchy breeds are more prone usually becuase of elongated palates and other issues relating to the respiratory system. It can happen in any breed however. Sometimes, windy conditions, spring and dust can exascerbate it. My advice is to leave the dog alone when it happens or gently reassure them. You can not make it stop until the irritant (be that a soft palate that is hanging in the airway or soemthing else) is gone. If it persists, give the dog a drink and this will hopefully settle the palate, if this is what it is, or wash away any irritant. no need to be alarmed its not clamping and the dogs is very happy to have this done as it reassures her. dont read too much into something that is hard to explain :D It wasn't you who used this terminology and that I was quoting. You said "....when i hold her mouth gently closed...." which is a little different. The term 'clamping shut' would give readers the idea they should use force to close the dogs mouth. Nothing needs to be done and doing this may stress the animal more. oh sure. i am very gentle with her and if she doesnt want this then i dont do it. its hard to explain but if she is happy to have this done she points her nose at my mouth its almost like a little game that takes her mind off it and makes her swallow. i agree that this should never be done with any force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowenhart Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 (edited) I am alarmed at the thought of 'clamping' a dogs mouth shut that is reverse sneezing Many dogs are distressed when this occurs and the more forceful actions such as holding their nose or clamping their mouths will only stress them more. It is thought to be cause by an irritation with or around the soft palate. Bracchy breeds are more prone usually becuase of elongated palates and other issues relating to the respiratory system. It can happen in any breed however. Sometimes, windy conditions, spring and dust can exascerbate it. My advice is to leave the dog alone when it happens or gently reassure them. You can not make it stop until the irritant (be that a soft palate that is hanging in the airway or soemthing else) is gone. If it persists, give the dog a drink and this will hopefully settle the palate, if this is what it is, or wash away any irritant. I wrote "clamp the mouth shut" - which is probably too harsh terminology for you, so I'll rephrase it a "hold the mouth shut". Either way the mouth has to be kept close. If I left my guy alone with his reverse sneezing, he'd go on for 15 minutes. No way he was going to drink anything when he was stuck in a fit of reverse sneezing. And it would be too dangerous to try and put water down the throat of a dog who is inhailing so frequently which is what happens with reverse sneezing. Swallowing stops it. How you make the dog swallow is up to you. Blow in the nose, rub their throat etc. Leaving a distressed dog to continue on and on reverse sneezing is worse in my book than holding (clamping) the dogs mouth shut for 5 seconds while you rub their throat to force a swallow. Discomfort for a few secs versus distress for a few minutes :D Edited August 18, 2010 by Lowenhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 The terminology isn't just harsh for me, it is harsh period. I would suggest that if your dog is that bad, it needs further investigation perhaps? Dogs can drink when reverse sneezing also, I have seen many of them do it because it is one way that I fix the issue when it occurs for more than a few seconds. Dogs do not continously reverse sneeze without respite, if they did they would lack oxygen and collapse... which usually would fix the palate issue if it were one anyway. Living and rescuing dogs known to reverse sneeze on a regular basis has afforded me the opportunity to try many methods to alleviate the problem. At the very bottom of my list would be to forceably hold a dogs mouth closed. If it works for you, then all is good. I am sure we all have our methods but I would not ever recommend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruffy n Flea Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 curiously bella did a couple hiccups with her mouth open last night!!! normally when she hiccups her mouth is closed and the effect is in her chest/belly region [which i manage to settle just by giving a short but firm tummy rub or a firm pat on her back]... but last night, with her mouth open it sounded quite different and odd and there were only about 4 or 5 'hiccups' and the whole episode lasted only in total about 3 seconds! OH had her focus prior to this event and i think because of that the episode was over quickly! could this be something like what you guys are talking about!?? or did bel merely hiccup with her mouth open do ya reckon!??! i'm really just trying to understand this condition so i'm informed, even if it never happens i won't be so alarmed if it does... thanks for indulging me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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