Steve Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Vic Dogs has circulated a request to all breed clubs to tell them what they think of these proposals for breeding ages of bitches. Its my advice for what its wiorth that everyone should write to them and tell them to leave it all as it is. That is whether YOU think your breed should be made to wait this long or not. Why ? Because its one more decision which will be taken from breeders and personally I think that sux. Quote. Minimum Breeding Age for Bitches Minimum age per breed at which a bitch can be mated Note: Minimum Breeding Age is the age at which a bitch may be mated. Your response by Monday 25th October 2010 would be appreciated. 12 Months Affenpinscher Airedale Terrier Australian Cattle Dog Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog Australian Silky Terrier Bichon Frise Border Terrier Boston Terrier British Bulldog Bull Terrier Bull Terrier [Miniature] Chihuahua [ all varieties] Chinese Crested Dog Cocker Spaniel Cocker Spaniel [ American ] Collie [Rough and Smooth] Dachshund [ all varieties ] English Springer Spaniel English Toy Terrier French Bulldog German Hunting Terrier German Spitz [ Klein ] German Spitz [ Mittel ] Griffon Bruxellois Havanese Italian Greyhound Jack Russell Terrier Japanese Chin Japanese Spitz King Charles Spaniel Labrador Retriever Lhasa Apso Lowchen Maltese Miniature Pinscher Papillon Pekingese Pomeranian Portugese Podengo Pug Schnauzer [ all varieties ] Shetland Sheepdog Schipperke Tenterfield Terrier Tibetan Spaniel Weimaraner Weimaraner [Longhair] Welsh Corgi [Cardigan and Pembroke] Yorkshire Terrier 16 Months Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Golden Retriever 18 Months Afghan Hound Akita Inu Alaskan Malamute American Staffordshire Terrier Australian Kelpie Australian Terrier Basenji Basset Basset Fauve de Bretagne Beagle Bearded Collie Bedlington Terrier Belgian Shepherd Dog [ all varieties ] Bergamasco Shepherd Dog Bloodhound Bluetick Coonhound Border Collie Borzoi Bouvier des Flandres Boxer Bracco Italiano Briard Brittany Cairn Terrier Canaan Dog Cesky Terrier Chesapeake Bay Retriever Chow Chow Curly Coated Retrieve r Dalmatian Dandie Dinmont Terrier Deerhound Dobermann Dogue De Bordeaux Dutch Shepherd Eurasier Field Spaniel Finnish Lapphund Finnish Spitz Flat Coated Retriever Foxhound Fox Terrier [ Smooth and Wire ] German Pinscher German Shepherd Dog German Shorthaired and Wirehaired Pointer Glen of Imaal Gordon Setter Grand Basset Griffon Vendeen Greyhound Hamiltonstovare Harrier Ibizan Hound Irish Red & White Setter Irish Setter Irish Terrier Irish Water Spaniel Italian Corso Italian Spinone Keeshond Kerry Blue Terrier Lakeland Terrier Lagotto Romagnolo Large Munsterlander Manchester Terrier Norfolk Terrier Norwegian Elkhound Norwick Terrier Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever Old English Sheepdog Otterhound Parson Russell Terrier Peruvian Hairless Dog Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen Pharaoh Hound Polish Lowland Sheepdog Pointer Poodle [ Miniatures and Toys ] Portuguese Water Dog Puli Pumi Rhodesian Ridgeback Saluki Samoyed Scottish Terrier Sealyham Terrier Shar Pei Shih Tzu Shiba Inu Siberian Husky Skye Terrier Sloughi Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Staffordshire Bull Terrier St Bernard Sussex Spaniel Swedish Lapphund Swedish Vallhund White Swiss Shepherd Dog Tibetan Mastiff Tibetan Terrier Welsh Springer Spaniel Welsh Terrier West Highland White Terrier Whippet Xoloitzcuintle [ Miniature ] 20 Months Australian Shepherd Bernese Mountain Dog 22 Months Mastiff Rottweiler 24 Months Anatolian Shepherd Dog Black Russian Terrier Bullmastiff Canadian Eskimo Dog Central Asian Shepherd Dog Clumber Spaniel English Setter Great Dane Hungarian Vizsla Hungarian Wirehaired Vizsla Kangal Komondor Kuvasz Leonberger Maremma Sheepdog Neapolitan Mastiff Newfoundland Norwegian Buhund Poodle [ Standard ] Pyrenean Mastiff Pyrenean Mountain Dog Spanish Mastiff Xoloitzcuintle [ Intermediate and Standard ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 screw that for a joke, 18 months and your season miss times by a month and before you know you could be staring down the barrel of a maiden three year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 (edited) Yep definitely! Every Fauve I've known will have had 3 seasons by 18 months of age. ETA - other than Marie Edited August 12, 2010 by Trisven13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozwildflower Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 This is getting crazy and scary. Let's open the doors to all the unregulated puppy farmers out there and make sure that those of us trying very hard to do the right thing....can't. Where is the thinking??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 As far as cavs go there is no change. So I have no probelm for my breed. BUT what is the impact on others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 BUT what is the impact on others. Danes was 18 months, now 24months. Im ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I also think it should be a Australia wide rule and not just Vic. It needs to be uniformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paptacular! Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I also think it should be a Australia wide rule and not just Vic. It needs to be uniformed. I do agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lappiemum Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Lappies are the same. no problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 NSW has had an age limit for a while now, has Vic ever had one? NSW also only had it for some breeds and not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lappiemum Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I thought there was a generic reference under the regs somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I thought there was a generic reference under the regs somewhere. I have been looking for it to compare but can't fine it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lappiemum Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 will have a look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bokezu Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Have not got a problem with 24 months for my breed, and I agree it should be Australia wide and not just Vic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Another nail in the coffin of the dog world. Good heavens it will give puppy farmers an open slather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lappiemum Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 There is the following: Under Code of Ethics & in the Regs Breeding 20.1.12 A member shall not breed with a bitch unless the bitch has reached adequate maturity for that breed as determined by the Victorian Canine Association Inc. I'm quite positive there was some reference somewhere; the fact that this refers to a determination by the VCA means it is someplace. It may be that this is being revised because of the revision they are doing with breeders and breed clubs? But will keep looking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lappiemum Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 (edited) Thanks Vizeuse! - I think that's it, and the relevant breed clubs and/or concensus amongst breeders (such as that is) will make a determination which the VCA will officially endorse. 12. A member shall not breed with a bitch unless the bitch has reached adequate maturity for that breed as determined by the member's Member Body. http://www.ankc.org.au/About-ANKC/National...-Ownership.aspx There is also this down as recommended best practice under the VIC legislation: Regardless of breed, bitches should be at least 12 months old and in their second season before being mated for the first time. For the larger dog breeds, the recommended age for first breeding is generally 18 months old, i.e. when the bitch is fully grown and mature. Bitches should not be mated to have more than two litters in an 18-month period. For the larger breeds, this should be not more than 2 litters per 24 month period. I'm pretty sure there is also something in the breeders exams someplace too. Edited August 12, 2010 by lappiemum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 So the previous Dogs Vic is age related, this new one would be breed specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajacadoo Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Why 12 months for a Cattle Dog, and 18 months for a Kelpie No ACD should be mated at 12 months, they are neither mentally, and certainly not physically, mature enough at 12 months ... Basenji at 18 months, yep, Im ok with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puglvr Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 It is the minimum age, so not before that age, not they should be mated at 12 months. I know the Pug Club was consulted so I am assuming the other breeds were too. We sent out a questionaire to our members and made our recommendation based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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