Broadford Puppy Farm Stopped In Their Tracks

[alpha bet]

First time I heard of this and I have lived in the Shire for 25 years..... glad that RSPCA, Dogs Vic etc. had this covered.

Tuesday August 3, 2010 - North Central Review

..... .............. lodged an application with the Mitchell Shire to run 50 breeding dogs from a property off the Kilmore-Glenaroua Road (Broadford Victoria) on June 8.

Since the permit request was lodged the RSPCA, Dogs Vic and Animal Liberation Vic all lodged formal objections to Mitchell Shire against the application.

.......However on Thursday July 29 the application for the breeding permit was withdrawn.

[Steve]

What was in the formal objections ?

[Sheridan]

The application was withdrawn not overruled according to the above. It may yet come back.

[Nekhbet]

RSPCA had minimal to do with this, Animal Lib gathering support and getting people to write in did more. They simply sent in one letter on their behalf. The puppy farmer applying already had another

[Steve]

So how do we get a look at what they used in their submissions?

[Christina]

I don't know how they had the nerve to even apply given their reputation already.

Thank goodness they were refused.

[WreckitWhippet]

it wasn't refused it was withdrawn and my bet is they'll be back lawyered up and ready to argue against any submissions.

[Souff]

it wasn't refused it was withdrawn and my bet is they'll be back lawyered up and ready to argue against any submissions.

Agreed.

There is a lot of wishful thinking and naivity showing in this thread.

The subtitle of the thread speaks of a "win". How do you have a win if the battle hasn't started? :D

The paper tells where the state of play is: " .......However on Thursday July 29 the application for the breeding permit was withdrawn"

Now they know what the arguments against are, they will simply find the ways and means to overcome those arguments.

Puppy farmers they might be, but business people they are.

I very much doubt that they have packed up their bat and ball and gone away.

Souff

[chriswiddler]

Today it's Puppy Farmers (i.e. anyone who breeds more dogs than you do) tomorrow it'll be BYBs and then registerd breeders. Be careful what you wish for. Better to regulate than ban.

[Nekhbet]

they'll find another property to go do it on. Heaps of other councils that allow this crap.

[Steve]

So is there something here I don't know ? Why stop someone who wants a development application for 50 dogs?

[WreckitWhippet]

So is there something here I don't know ? Why stop someone who wants a development application for 50 dogs?

I wonder too, is 50 the new magical line in the sand ?

[Steve]

One minute we're hearing people yell they want them out of the cupboard and putting in DA's and nice and easy to find. Following the rules and wanting mandatory codes to make them do exactly that Then when they do we do all we can to stop them. What breed were they? Chi's or Great Danes? If they go this way and apply via council they then have to comply with the regs for breeding establishments and so the dogs cant be kept in poor conditions. All this does is send a clear message to anyone thinking of doing the right thing to shut up and do it without telling anyone you're doing it.

Id rather see someone come in with 50 dogs out inthe open than 300 out the back of the boonies doing all they can to avoid detection.

[Remarkabull]

One minute we're hearing people yell they want them out of the cupboard and putting in DA's and nice and easy to find. Following the rules and wanting mandatory codes to make them do exactly that Then when they do we do all we can to stop them. What breed were they? Chi's or Great Danes? If they go this way and apply via council they then have to comply with the regs for breeding establishments and so the dogs cant be kept in poor conditions. All this does is send a clear message to anyone thinking of doing the right thing to shut up and do it without telling anyone you're doing it.

Id rather see someone come in with 50 dogs out inthe open than 300 out the back of the boonies doing all they can to avoid detection.

+1

[Nekhbet]

the people that put in this app were already high volume puppy farmers who breed designer breeds. And not to a high standard either.

http://www.govegan.com.au/puppies/?p=346

[Souff]

Id rather see someone come in with 50 dogs out in the open than 300 out the back of the boonies doing all they can to avoid detection.

Absolutely.

[Steve]

the people that put in this app were already high volume puppy farmers who breed designer breeds. And not to a high standard either.

http://www.govegan.com.au/puppies/?p=346

But do you really think anyone else who is considering doing the right thing and applying for a DA is going to feel all warm and snuggly and want to comply with the laws after seeing this?

[WreckitWhippet]

the people that put in this app were already high volume puppy farmers who breed designer breeds. And not to a high standard either.

http://www.govegan.com.au/puppies/?p=346

But do you really think anyone else who is considering doing the right thing and applying for a DA is going to feel all warm and snuggly and want to comply with the laws after seeing this?

Nope, you'd just make sure that your own a significant number of acres and that your sheds are located well away from your fenceline and sound proofed. There's a puppy farm within a stones throw of Bathurst and you'd never know it was there, they've got it well hidden on just a few suburban acres.

[Nekhbet]

if you were going to do the right thing there wouldnt be a problem. The puppy farm was also going to try and cram too many dogs onto the space and cause all sorts of logistical problems with waste, noise, water etc.

Wow didnt think I would hear people rather puppy farmers go ahead and be monitored. No one monitors them now, councils have the bare minimum of officers, who's going to do regular checks? Laws dont work without people regulating it. Dogs are not animals that need to be kenneled their whole lives and bred like farm animals period.

[Souff]

if you were going to do the right thing there wouldnt be a problem. The puppy farm was also going to try and cram too many dogs onto the space and cause all sorts of logistical problems with waste, noise, water etc.

Wow didnt think I would hear people rather puppy farmers go ahead and be monitored. No one monitors them now, councils have the bare minimum of officers, who's going to do regular checks? Laws dont work without people regulating it. Dogs are not animals that need to be kenneled their whole lives and bred like farm animals period.

Nekhbet, Steve's comparison is a fair one.

If councils KNOW where someone has kennels, there is a better chance of them being under surveillance by groups such as the RSPCA who can legally visit the premises etc.

When you have unknown numbers of dogs on properties that are not identified as kennels, then you have the situation where the council doesnt know what is going on, and the likes of the animal libbers taking the law into their own hands and doing midnight raids with cameras etc. This is not the way to go.

In another thread on here an RSPCA officer describes the overwhelming stench of ammonia at one place. Why let it get to that?

The RSPCA already has the laws to ensure that the welfare of dogs is taken care of - IF they know where these places are.

Whether we like it or not, the current trade laws allow people to "farm" puppies and there is little that can be done to legally stop this practice.

Pet shops also have the law on their side.

The police and the RSPCA already have the laws within which they can act to ensure that at least the dogs used in this awful trade are well looked after.

As I see it, is a matter of enforcing the existing laws and codes that are already in place.

People have to act within the law, otherwise we might as well not have laws.

Stopping "puppy farmers" completely is a pipedream imho, and in the first instance, nobody seems to be able to accurately define what a "puppy farmer" is.

If a legal definition of a "puppy farm" does not exist, how on earth do well meaning people think they can shut down "puppy farms"?

Sorry if I sound negative, but the ideas of many on this site recently are a bit too idealistic and not realistic enough.

I'm with Steve on this one.

Better to know where they are and let "the authorities" pay them regular visits.

Souff