StaffordLUV Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 All just wondering what too much protein can do to a puppy aged 7 months old? She was sold with a diet sheet but choose to feed her proplan and a coat supplement which is VERY high in protein the bitch has now come into season at 7 months and im worried about growth problems. Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carluke Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Hi Cyndii Depends on what you call High protein? We feed our Collies Bonnie Working dog it is 22% protein (animal&grain) and 14% fat plus they get a homemade Chicken loaf. We don't use supplements, except in winter when they get Cod liver oil 3-4 times a week. Obviously early maturity is an off shoot and sometimes unbalanced growth. It is used alot in the Halter Arabian ring to have youngsters ready to compete for 'major shows'. If your 'friends' Collie has cycled it would suggest that she has reached her final height at least that how our girls work. (I am guessing this is the bitch referred to in another forum thread) Cheers Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffordLUV Posted January 23, 2005 Author Share Posted January 23, 2005 Hi Kate the proplan is 26% protein and the supplement is 40% to me thats too much yeah??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorRex Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 we also feed Bonnie, the Complete formula- 22% protein.all natural too, as well as raw bones etc My Collies love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carluke Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 the Complete formula- 22% protein Adult complte is 20% and 9% fat, all Chicken now not Kangaroo. Cyndii we use to use Proplan 26% on some of our Collies and granted they were adults but suffered no downsides, actually helped a couple of girls to recoat when they decided coat was a no show idea! We have also in past used the Proplan puppy dry food again with no downsides (touch wood). Cheers Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scales of Justice Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 xyro, If you are feeding Proplan why do you need a coat supplement? Proplan (depending on which one you are using) has enough coat supplements in it already and the 26% protein is fine. 40% protein in the coat supplement sure does sound like a lot to me - I would be very cautious. Proplan puppy is an excellent food for a growing puppy and you shouldn't need anything else for coat as it has all the necessary oils to keep the coat nice. I have raised GSD pups on this and coats have been lovely - collies are around the same size so I can't see why this wouldn't be adequate for your pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffordLUV Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi scales thats what i told the owner of the bitch but now im worried that this could affect her is someway as im sure she doesnt need all of that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Many years ago I used Eukanuba combined with mince & veg, etc. to feed an eight week old pup. I had been feeding that brand to adults with no obvious side effects so continued on with the puppy variety. By the time the pup was 5 mths old it had developed problems with bone development and overnutrition was suspected. I contact Eukanuba (Iams) and they totally distanced themselves from the problem and said that I had been feeding too much!!!!!! How do you make a pup eat more than it can fit inside it especially a small/medium breed that are not big eaters??? It certainly had no more than other pups I had successfully been raising on other premium dogfoods for years. Now they didn't say on the pack that this can happen, nor did they give any warnings, only their feeding chart info. which is very loose. Consequently I don't use that product anymore and have never had problems since but I always monitor the protein content! I might add that the specialist that I took the pup to said that they rarely see any problems with undernutrition nowadays but they certainly do see overnutrition problems and that he didn't believe in the high protein diets that were promoted these days. I wouldn't go that far but at that point I transferred all the dogs over to Hills and haven't had a problem since. However I also believe that results will vary between breeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carluke Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi Cyndii Here is a link to an article regarding Protein and its uses. http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cl...1&articleid=702 You are right is the puppy is getting a balanced diet she doesn;t need the supplements, but marketing is very convincing these days, as to damage I would imagine the biggest is being done to there bank account. Cheers Kate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scales of Justice Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Stitch Many years ago I used Eukanuba combined with mince & veg, etc. to feed an eight week old pup. I had been feeding that brand to adults with no obvious side effects so continued on with the puppy variety.By the time the pup was 5 mths old it had developed problems with bone development and overnutrition was suspected. Eukanuba is a COMPLETE food - it is not meant to be substituted with mince and veg. If you had problems you should have just fed the Eukanuba! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Sure, Scales, but I didn't know there was a problem until after it occurred now did I??? and it doesn't occur with ALL premium foods!! just that one!! And even COMPLETE food can have meat and vegs added to it - I certainly would never just feed dry food - even though the dry dog food sellers of this world would probably disagree with me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scales of Justice Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Stitch, You can blame the food all you like but others of us have reared many large breed pups on THAT FOOD and never had any problems with it at all - no joint problems, no unsoundness of any kind, beautiful coats, tight feet and pasterns etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Just shows you doesn't it, what works for one breed doesn't necessarily work for another!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dianne Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I have had discussions with many owners and breeders lately re: Protein., many have had Panosteitis in their dogs/puppies and have been advised by Vets to cease the high Protein Puppy mixes... Contrary to what the manufacturers say on their packaging [ pup mixes usually cost more than adult..have we noticed!!] We have our puppies completely off baby/puppy "mixes" by the time they are 12 weeks, and onto Adult mixes..along with the other bits/foods we give. So as not to get into a squabble over processed brands etc., I believe too much protein will give you joint and bone problems in the not too distant future. But as usual just my experience and what is right for one dog/breed may differ in another. Dianne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Yes Diane, I have got that message from the vets (bone specialist) too when I discussed nutrition with them. It was his opinion that most dogfoods on the market were too high in protein compared to what puppies/dogs really need for optimum bone growth. I also have found that pups do just as well on the adult formulas and even though I now use puppy formula for the bitch and the pups until, as you say, 12 weeks. Not only that but I have previously found that just weaned pups will do equally as well on a good quality adult formula. Found that out when one litter just got into the bitches meal themselves even though their "puppy" formula meal was there too! So why do I keep on buying the puppy formula initially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lucina Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 I always thought that too much protein can cause kidney disease and joint and bones problems and has been implicated in some temperament problems too. However, recently I saw this article http://b-naturals.com/Jan2004.php which contradict that, so I don’t know what to think any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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