Pets Paradise Advertising For Puppies

[ncarter]

I asked.

You answered.

Congratulations.

ahh zip it, sarcasm doesn't suit you.

[Sky_Mel]

It's disgusting that pet shops put signs like that up

I remember once I was at Pets Paradise and a women was trying to sell a Ragdoll kitten to a guy that had no clue about long haired breeds and she is going on about they don't shed much, don't need grooming etc etc My mother and I gave her a real ear full and told the guy to go to a breeder if he wants a healthy cat (mentally and physically). Half of them don't have a clue about the breeds they have which doesn't surprise me.

When I worked at the RSPCA so many surrendered puppies were from Pet Stores and reasons were "Was told is was this breed" " Was told it wouldn't shed" list just went on.

[Remarkabull]

As far as I know there is no 'training' for staff in regards to 'breed' specifics. ie, most staff wouldn't have a clue. Anyway the point is to sell the kitten/puppy not to tell the prospective owner that it might be hard work!

[Sky_Mel]

As far as I know there is no 'training' for staff in regards to 'breed' specifics. ie, most staff wouldn't have a clue. Anyway the point is to sell the kitten/puppy not to tell the prospective owner that it might be hard work!

Yea exactly, I have even seen jobs advertised for them and the only experience needed is Retail, nothing about pet care.

Very frustrating.

[Moselle]

I take down any signage I see for petshops and farmers.

If i can't take it down; I'm tempted to enlighten others on just where the pups come from, or what type of health issue awaits them.

Good for you for taking down "signages" from pet shops advertising their stock or wanting to take in more stock, shame on them!

As far as health issues that awaits them.....well, even purebred dogs bred by ethical breeders are prone to health issues and I should know as I have purchased pups from "health checked" parentage that still came down with health issues namely a cavalier king charles from breeding stock that was tested for mitral valve disease! The pup died of heart failure when it was 7 months old, so much for that, hey?

Edited August 6, 2010 by Moselle

[Linda K]

yep, nearly every PP near us has signs up advertising for babies, makes me so mad. At least Pet Barn has animals from Lort Smith, and when I was there I saw a lady go to the counter asking t buy a kitten - they then pulled out this big adoption form that she had to complete to be assessed before anything further went - made me happy at least they did not just take the money but were making sure it was not an impulse buy

[ash&elar]

its better if we try and educate people the consumer, i usually tell anyone i can and they say i had no idea and i put them off buying a puppy in a petshop or from a farm online. its how many people you can tell and the word spreads. they reckon that slowly but surely the public are being made aware, look at the RSPCA campaign about puppy farms in melbourne, dont' know if it was anywhere else? but it had a great impact many didn't know they existed until they saw the billboards at train stations.

i like to get people on here to get behind me and then bombard wellington shire with emails that they can't handle every year. i've just been emailing all the councillors there and i got two responses, one lady councillor told me do i eat eggs and drink milk? i responded by saying that pet dogs adn breeding them can't be compared to livestock. she responded again by telling me that she is dead against farms but then goes onto say that farms are just animal agriculture and what is wrong with having them like battery hens. another one wrote back they all forwarded onto the services officer at wellington shire who is a traffic officer as well as a dog ranger etc. and he told me that they check on the 14 farms that they have in wellington shire, this is an all out lie as we have a permit to house 12 showdogs (25 years we've had a permit) and not one person has ever been out to check on us adn they didn't even come out to approve the application!!!! lol the services officer/ranger admitted at the RSPCA puppy farm forum that he cannot check on all the farms and nothing has been written in their audits for 5 years, yet they sent me an email to explain to me that the farms are checked on and spot checks are done. so they are all liars!!!!

one of the farms is operated by my cousin's ex wife who for years has been trying to get our chihuahuas to breed to buggery. we always use to tell her that our chihuahuas were a thousand dollars each so then she gets someone to ring us up for her to try to nab one of our dogs. down in this area we always sell our dogs desexed as its puppy farm central down here.

so everyone in wellington shire from the vets to the farmers to the council are lining their pockets with money. lying cheating and telling the public untruths to get them off their backs and deter them from the real story that is going on down there.

but yes i have been writing complaint letters to council for years i even had a media fight with one puppy farmer in the press about 16 years ago when i lived in this area.

i know of alot of locals who are dead against these farms in our area.

i spoke to another councillor that was the mayor about a year ago and i got him to re-think alot of stuff about genetics in dogs and why its not a good idea to have farms. so slowly but surely i am getting in their ears.

i need all your help to bombard council once again about their farms, i found out from a good source that is right in on the action down in this area that there are 14 FARMS that council get money from. the one that is operated by my cousin's ex-wife has a farm with dogs sitting on wire and she openly admits to knocking the pups she doesn't want or dogs on the head with a hammer.

mostly farmers and families of farmers so they don't think this is cruel just necessary. heard some horror stories of what they do to animals and its not pretty. saw footage of the main farm which is the biggest in australia who breeds up 1500 pups a year tehy advertise in the local paper often and recently had an open day where most people complain of the conditions the animals were kept in (because the council doesn't check but claims they do!) most dogs were on sand, in tin sheds, they invited the ALV to be there in the paper then when ALV accepted they paniced and sent them letters to keep them away it was all a ploy to get on the public's good side.

links to get everyone started. help me PLEASE?????? there is power in people numbers. last time we did this the shire was complaining of too many letters. lol it puts the pressure on them and it does work it is not hopeless.

stop puppy farms please scroll down to end and you will see links,

Animal liberation Victoria website

wellington shire councillors

if i can think of any other links i will let you know.

Is this the puppy farm outside of longford??? i know they had a community open day at the start of the yr??? bbq and the fire squad out there???..... when i first moved here i applied for a job there as it was advertised as a kennel.... fund out later that it was a puppy farm

[Guest DBT]

http://www.theage.com.au/national/rspca-ca...0710-104vy.html

5th paragraph from the bottom "but there are plenty of........" this from the head of the PIAA.

I let them know what i thought of this, as did a few people i know. Correspondence back from PIAA cements their attitude towards continuing to support puppy farms .... * sigh *

Anyone else who finds themselves as outraged by this as i was, feel free to let PIAA know what you think too...

[casowner]

Pet Shops are constantly accused of only sourcing puppies from Puppies Farms but when the RSPCA was asked (at the RSPCA Puppy Farm Seminar) why they don't advise who are puppy Farmers they said it was a privacy issue - what a crock

"Pet Industry News asked why the RSPCA does not utilise the law requiring pet shops to record the names of the supplier of animals to the shops to establish whether they are buying from Puppy Farms and why the RSPCA does not advise the PIAA of the names of puppy farmers so that members can be made aware. The answer given was that Privacy Laws prohibited such disclosure and that NSW was the only state where such records need to be kept by law. They were unable to answer why RSPCA NSW did not utilise these NSW records."

Also the RSPCA was found fudging puppy purchase statistics

"It was a very enlighten meeting however it’s a shame that I came away with the most notable point being RSPCA getting caught out fudging the figures that have been disclosed to the media – Dr Wirth stated in the Melbourne Age that 57% of dogs are sold through pet shops – it was pointed out by a RSPCA staffer that the question asked of the public was “where did you purchase your pet from” – this include all pets including fish. One can now assume that all of their data is inaccurate including “about 95 per cent of all puppies sold in pet shops have been bred in puppy factories or farm” which I personally know is not correct - the credibility of the RSPCA has been shot."

Regarding education of staff we do not sell puppies or kittens however I find it insulting to land all pet shops in the same basket, my staff are educated constantly and I don't hire people with retail experience only. My stores reputation is built on knowledge and customer service and I am very proud of that fact (even though I am only here for another 3 weeks).

[Remarkabull]

I wasn't refering to all pet shops, just the company with which I have had experience and IMO the sourcing and selling of puppies/kittens, the lack of staff training and support are only a couple of a myriad of problems within it.

[toy dog]

Is this the puppy farm outside of longford??? i know they had a community open day at the start of the yr??? bbq and the fire squad out there???..... when i first moved here i applied for a job there as it was advertised as a kennel.... fund out later that it was a puppy farm :hug: ;)

yep the one and only, they try and make out they are different to any other farm to the media and public. but they are one and the same.

i've had 2 councillors reply to me from wellington shire now, no.1. councillor said there is a market for these pups so why not, these farmers are in the ears of the council. the 2nd one told me that dogs on farms can be compared to farming of sheep, cows and chooks. just because its a dog why do they get special treatment! cows,sheep and chooks deserve to be treated fairly too. that is true but apparently this lady has cows and sheep and chooks in her house! cows, sheep and chooks aren't bred in their thousands clogging up shelters being put down because they are past their use by date and we don't eat dogs.

meanwhile she has said she is against puppy farms. so all the councillors justify having 14 farms because we have livestock farms so why not have a dog farm. why not they say. she also told me, if the consumer didn't buy these pups then there would be no need to have a farm! i said, that if the buck bloody stopped with your shire bloody continually issuing these permits wouldn't you think that that would go a long way to reducing dogs in shelters.

grrrrrrrr the mentality of these people they can't see past their noses and their brains are pretty much where the money is. apparently there isn't a world outside Sale what-so-ever. i think i'll move this thread as what i've found out about these 14 farms deserves a story on its own.

Edited August 7, 2010 by toy dog

[Guest belgian.blue]

The Pets Paradise in Garden City has closed down. I was in the shopping centre yesterday and just happened to walk past.

The sign on the door doesn't say why, just that it is closed. So I'm wondering why? It's great that it is closed but maybe they got parvo or something?

[Kirty]

I dealt with two puppy farms in Gippsland (possibly the one described above) and the conditions were deplorable. And I PERSONALLY accompanied the farmer on several of her deliveries to pet shops in Melbourne. I would happily name the shops and locations to anyone interested too.

[ash&elar]

Is this the puppy farm outside of longford??? i know they had a community open day at the start of the yr??? bbq and the fire squad out there???..... when i first moved here i applied for a job there as it was advertised as a kennel.... fund out later that it was a puppy farm :D

yep the one and only, they try and make out they are different to any other farm to the media and public. but they are one and the same.

i've had 2 councillors reply to me from wellington shire now, no.1. councillor said there is a market for these pups so why not, these farmers are in the ears of the council. the 2nd one told me that dogs on farms can be compared to farming of sheep, cows and chooks. just because its a dog why do they get special treatment! cows,sheep and chooks deserve to be treated fairly too. that is true but apparently this lady has cows and sheep and chooks in her house! cows, sheep and chooks aren't bred in their thousands clogging up shelters being put down because they are past their use by date and we don't eat dogs.

meanwhile she has said she is against puppy farms. so all the councillors justify having 14 farms because we have livestock farms so why not have a dog farm. why not they say. she also told me, if the consumer didn't buy these pups then there would be no need to have a farm! i said, that if the buck bloody stopped with your shire bloody continually issuing these permits wouldn't you think that that would go a long way to reducing dogs in shelters.

grrrrrrrr the mentality of these people they can't see past their noses and their brains are pretty much where the money is. apparently there isn't a world outside Sale what-so-ever. i think i'll move this thread as what i've found out about these 14 farms deserves a story on its own.

:D ;) ;) that is just wrong!!!! all of it is!!!!

[toy dog]

;) ;) that is just wrong!!!! all of it is!!!!

yeah tell me about it. we're spewing about it and there's not a damn thing we can do about it even though we all know the system down there sucks big time. lots of ignoramuses down there in authority.

The Pets Paradise in Garden City has closed down. I was in the shopping centre yesterday and just happened to walk past.

The sign on the door doesn't say why, just that it is closed. So I'm wondering why? It's great that it is closed but maybe they got parvo or something?

it would be about money, if the business isn't making any money whats the point of continuing. so hopefully people have woken up over there they aren't getting any sales, i heard that the largest farm in gippsland was getting bad publicity from the animal welfare groups so its working educating the public!! i wish they'd close down here but many have no idea the pups come from farms and now the new thing (walked into a petshop with puppies and pretending i was ignorant) is to say oh no we don't source our pups from farms they are wormy and full of fleas we get the pups from family breeders. Family breeders? so we have some families that are breaking the law breeding their pets that should be desexed in a shire/council area that want to make a bit of cash on the side. whats wrong with that they say. saw a shop closed down near where i live too - thank god i was so relieved. had in big letters across the front we buy puppies and kittens. thank god for the puppies and kittens!!

I dealt with two puppy farms in Gippsland (possibly the one described above) and the conditions were deplorable. And I PERSONALLY accompanied the farmer on several of her deliveries to pet shops in Melbourne. I would happily name the shops and locations to anyone interested too.

why were you accompanying an evil farmer? (who claims they are not evil just filling a gap in society they are different to the rest :D ) if it was me, i wouldn't be able to stop myself hitting them over the head. id be up for assault of a puppy farmer. they'd have to lock me away. ;)

[jacqui835]

I would love to be able to put up a sign next to their, "we buy puppies and kittens" one featuring statistics for how many animals are pst every year + some of the potential/likely problems one might encounter from buying from a pet shop, perhaps even some info about the current breeds they stock which happened to be husky crossed with belgian shepherd and kelpie crosses as I don't think either of these breeds would make good dogs for an impulse first time buyer :s However, since they were both marked as breeds that only needed moderate exercise I doubt they'll have any trouble finding homes for them.

But I'm pretty sure that would be illegal, since the sign is actually posted on the window of their store, right in front of the puppy display...

Oh well, went in there again yesterday and all of those puppies have since been sold, got a whole new bunch so I guess it's working. If anyone wants a husky/belgian shepherd or mixed kelpie crosses you will probably be able to find some in the pound in the next oh, 6 months or so

[toy dog]

I would love to be able to put up a sign next to their, "we buy puppies and kittens" one featuring statistics for how many animals are pst every year + some of the potential/likely problems one might encounter from buying from a pet shop, perhaps even some info about the current breeds they stock which happened to be husky crossed with belgian shepherd and kelpie crosses as I don't think either of these breeds would make good dogs for an impulse first time buyer :s However, since they were both marked as breeds that only needed moderate exercise I doubt they'll have any trouble finding homes for them.

But I'm pretty sure that would be illegal, since the sign is actually posted on the window of their store, right in front of the puppy display...

Oh well, went in there again yesterday and all of those puppies have since been sold, got a whole new bunch so I guess it's working. If anyone wants a husky/belgian shepherd or mixed kelpie crosses you will probably be able to find some in the pound in the next oh, 6 months or so

it just makes you wonder who are the idiots that buy these dogs don't they read anything are they that ignorant?

what do you say to a councillor who has said that cows, sheep and chooks deserve the same consideration as dogs in regards to farming them. farming dogs is no different to farming cows, sheep, pigs (who are more intelligent than dogs she says) and chooks. whats the short response to an ignorant statement like this do ya reckon? i answered her but it was long winded and i doubt whether she is going to read it all. i touched on the subject of poor quality of breeding of SWF and overcrowding and dogs aren't farm animals.

[melzawelza]

I think the short answer to the 'well we breed cows and chickens that way' is to make the point that we don't expect cows and chickens to live with us in our houses and our 'human' lives. A puppy raised with little to no socialisation will not be fitting in well with the kind of 'human' life destined for them.

[Kirty]

I dealt with two puppy farms in Gippsland (possibly the one described above) and the conditions were deplorable. And I PERSONALLY accompanied the farmer on several of her deliveries to pet shops in Melbourne. I would happily name the shops and locations to anyone interested too.

why were you accompanying an evil farmer? (who claims they are not evil just filling a gap in society laugh.gif they are different to the rest laugh.gif ) if it was me, i wouldn't be able to stop myself hitting them over the head. id be up for assault of a puppy farmer. laugh.gif they'd have to lock me away. icon_smile_mad.gif

Because I was trying to get in with her so I could get some dogs out. Which I did. I happened to meet her one day when she was dropping off puppies. I pretended I was interested in breeding dogs and she gave me all the ins and outs, invited me to her property, etc. As a result, I managed to get quite a few adult dogs off her property. Unfortunately 3 of the rescues turned out to be pregnant, and when she found out she demanded the dogs back. Of course I refused, but that was the end of that arrangement. Thankfully I have just found out that another rescue group is now rescuing dogs from her property and they are doing so by doing the same as me.

[toy dog]

I dealt with two puppy farms in Gippsland (possibly the one described above) and the conditions were deplorable. And I PERSONALLY accompanied the farmer on several of her deliveries to pet shops in Melbourne. I would happily name the shops and locations to anyone interested too.

why were you accompanying an evil farmer? (who claims they are not evil just filling a gap in society laugh.gif they are different to the rest laugh.gif ) if it was me, i wouldn't be able to stop myself hitting them over the head. id be up for assault of a puppy farmer. laugh.gif they'd have to lock me away. icon_smile_mad.gif

Because I was trying to get in with her so I could get some dogs out. Which I did. I happened to meet her one day when she was dropping off puppies. I pretended I was interested in breeding dogs and she gave me all the ins and outs, invited me to her property, etc. As a result, I managed to get quite a few adult dogs off her property. Unfortunately 3 of the rescues turned out to be pregnant, and when she found out she demanded the dogs back. Of course I refused, but that was the end of that arrangement. Thankfully I have just found out that another rescue group is now rescuing dogs from her property and they are doing so by doing the same as me.

gee you are a game person do to that and i applaud you.