Pregnant Lab Girl Found!

[Greytmate]

Greytmate, not everybody had an ulterior motive as to why they would care for a dog. Most of us have over the years and received nothing but the satisfaction of helping.

I am appalled that people think it is ok to sell a dog that doesn't belong to them. Regardless of motive.

[ellz]

Greytmate, not everybody had an ulterior motive as to why they would care for a dog. Most of us have over the years and received nothing but the satisfaction of helping.

I am appalled that people think it is ok to sell a dog that doesn't belong to them. Regardless of motive.

I'm still wondering where anybody said anything about selling a dog?

[Greytmate]

Greytmate, not everybody had an ulterior motive as to why they would care for a dog. Most of us have over the years and received nothing but the satisfaction of helping.

I am appalled that people think it is ok to sell a dog that doesn't belong to them. Regardless of motive.

I'm still wondering where anybody said anything about selling a dog?

You plan to sell the pups. They are not yours to sell.

[Dory the Doted One]

I think several points have been missed.

This dog does need help and care, that's for sure. But we shouldn't assume that the owners are irresponsible. We can make a likely guess, but it would still all be assumption.

It is also not impossible that the dog was stolen, possibly impregnated by they who stole her and then escaped their yard for whatever reason.

If the council was amenable, why not notify them of the dog, ask if you can keep her with the proviso that she or her subsequent pups are not to be put into a rehome situation until the required hold period has been met?

I've done it with an injured dog. Council said I could hold him for the required period, so long as I advertised him as a lost dog and after that I could consider him mine. In the mean time I paid for all his vet expenses (thank god I worked for a vet otherwise they would have been HUGE).

Ofcourse they allowed me that, because they otherwise would have Euth'd him because of his injuries. And I also knew that if owners came along, I could hardly stick em with the bill. I could have asked, but I wouldn't have been too peed off if they refused. Because what if their choice was to have had him Euth'd cos of his injuries too?

But that's just me.

[ellz]

Greytmate, not everybody had an ulterior motive as to why they would care for a dog. Most of us have over the years and received nothing but the satisfaction of helping.

I am appalled that people think it is ok to sell a dog that doesn't belong to them. Regardless of motive.

I'm still wondering where anybody said anything about selling a dog?

You plan to sell the pups. They are not yours to sell.

Er.....do I? I state again....where have I stated that pups would be SOLD. Placed is NOT sold. Sold is sold. Placed is placed. You are making an awful lot of assumptions.

[Miss BeRidgierent]

If she need a place that she must go now (ie has to go now or she will be pts) I can take her for a couple days (or weeks) until we find someone experienced in raising new borns and labor as I have absolutely no experience.

[Greytmate]

Greytmate, not everybody had an ulterior motive as to why they would care for a dog. Most of us have over the years and received nothing but the satisfaction of helping.

I am appalled that people think it is ok to sell a dog that doesn't belong to them. Regardless of motive.

I'm still wondering where anybody said anything about selling a dog?

You plan to sell the pups. They are not yours to sell.

Er.....do I? I state again....where have I stated that pups would be SOLD. Placed is NOT sold. Sold is sold. Placed is placed. You are making an awful lot of assumptions.

There is NO difference.

Place, sell, adopt, whatever word you want to use.

This is not your bitch to keep or sell, these are not your pups to sell.

There is a legal procedure that would need to be followed to legally acquire this bitch.

A responsible person would follow that, just like Dory the Doted did.

[minxy]

Ellz, I believe you have good intentions and were only trying to help. It's such a shame when someone gets beaten down for trying to help someone out

[ellz]

FFS Greytmate, I would never have figured you to be so deliberately stupid, obtuse or whatever it is that you are being.

OK, my offer is withdrawn, happy now?

Apparently you know more about me and my motives and intentions than I do. I hope the poor girl is healthy and that the rest of her pregnancy is trouble free and that whomever whelps the litter and DISPOSES of the puppies meets with your esteemed approval.

NOBODY was talking about breaking laws or stepping on toes. All I was offering was a solution, temporary or otherwise and a means of getting a healthy outcome if possible for bitch and pups.

I couldn't have cared less if the bitch was sent to me for whelping and then she and the pups were sent back to wherever.....the prospect of money was never in my thoughts.....although apparently according to you, it was paramount.

No wonder people are reluctant to step up to the plate. I sure as hell won't make the same mistake again.

[aussielover]

The pound must hold her for 7 days (if she has no chip) and then a recsue organisiation can take her, or she can be sold etc. I don't see the problem? Why she cannot be given to the pound for the required period in case someone is looking for her? If you speak with the pound I am sure they would be more than happy to give her to you once that time period is over. Then you can send her to rescue or rehome.

You may as well do things properly now to avoid troubles later on...

There have been some very generous offers to care for her, which I'm sure would still stand after 7 days that the pound holds her for.

[ellz]

Ellz, I believe you have good intentions and were only trying to help. It's such a shame when someone gets beaten down for trying to help someone out

Thanks minxy.

[ellz]

There have been some very generous offers to care for her, which I'm sure would still stand after 7 days that the pound holds her for.

My offer is now withdrawn lest I offend people who assume that I wish to profit from this situation.

[Little Gifts]

t-time I have sent you a PM about Best Friends Rescue as they are also an option for this girl if Lab Rescue can't help.

[Joel]

then whos are they? an unchipped dog at that age... irresponsible owner much. what are the options? ill outline them for you.

1. The dog stays at the pound and is put down.

2. The irresponsible owner comes by (who, in my opinion, because they're an irresponsible owner shouldn't be allowed to own a dog), takes the dog back, has the puppies, sells them. Who knows what happens to the bitch.

3. Ellz takes the bitch, looks after her, looks after the puppies until they are old enough to go to new homes and them homes them (whether they are sold or not is irrelivant - I think that ellz should AT LEAST recoup the money spent on homing them).

4. The pound gives her over to another organization that will sell her and the puppies or does it themselves.

5. Someone from the pound will take her home (and then who the hell knows whats going to happen).

Ellz offer to take her would only be valid AFTER the period of time has gone where the owner is able to collect her. After that time is up, she is nobodies and will, if what the finder was told is true, be put down.

Who cares what Ellz's motives are. Maybe a young bitch is appealing? Maybe she (i'm assuming you're female for some reason) doesn't want to take on an old dog. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. The alternative is potentially death. Far out, I really dont udnerstand your thought process here Greytmate.

[megan_]

She needs to go to the pound and serve her time. That is a legal requirement. If she were my dog and sopmeone didn't hand her in I'd be furious. The pound will not put her down until she has served her time - that is a legal requirement. A rescue group is not legally allowed to take a stray and rehome them without following this process. Someone can put her name against her.

Then, once she has served her time, someone can spring her from the pound. She is then legally their dog and they can do whatever they want with her and the pups.

It is very simple really - similar scenarios happen in rescue every day

Edited August 5, 2010 by megan_

[missmoo]

WOW...I am sitting here reading this thread, shaking my head and wondering where, how or what some people are thinking sometimes.

Ellz

IMO you are a saint. Very few people would be willing to take on such a young pregnant bitch especially not knowing what she was mated with.....

This young girl needs specialised care and love and for anyone to suggest taking in such a dog out of the kindness of their own heart and abilities to help is not "right" either legally or morally is short sighted.

This poor dog is soooo young to be pregnant there are real risks for her and her pups and if anyone can offer her the proper care until the pups are old enough to be placed in caring homes and for her to find a forever home herself then why shouldn't others offer their support and love.

Money is not and should not be a motivating factor in any of this.....yes the owner should be found if there is one, but no body knows if that will be, i think we need to look at what this dog needs right now

Edited August 5, 2010 by missmoo

[Miss BeRidgierent]

She needs to go to the pound and serve her time. That is a legal requirement. If she were my dog and sopmeone didn't hand her in I'd be furious. The pound will not put her down until she has served her time - that is a legal requirement. Someone can put her name against her.

Then, once she has served her time, someone can spring her from the pound. She is then legally their dog and they can do whatever they want with her and the pups.

It is very simple really - similar scenarios happen in rescue every day

But T-time is saying the pound will NOT take her and will put her down and that they can not do anything.

T-Time - Maybe contact other pounds in the area and not the RSPCA. After her time is up and if she hasnt been found collect her and then figure out what can be done.

PM me if you need any help T-time.

ETA: Where was she found?

ETA again: I can tell you right now ellz motive was not money purely the fact a very young bitch needs help....

Edited August 5, 2010 by Miss BeRidgierent

[Joel]

WOW...I am sitting here reading this thread, shaking my head and wondering where, how or what some people are thinking sometimes.

Ellz

IMO you are a saint. Very few people would be willing to take on such a young pregnant bitch especially not knowing what she was mated with.....

This young girl needs specialised care and love and for anyone to suggest taking in such a dog out of the kindness of their own heart and abilities to help is not "right" either legally or morally is short sighted.

Money is not and should not be a motivating factor in any of this

Agree on both parts. Although money shouldn't be a motivating factor in the slightest, that doesn't mean that the puppies should be given away necessarily. there are costs involved (including time) to take on a thing like this and I think they should be accounted for.

[missmoo]

WOW...I am sitting here reading this thread, shaking my head and wondering where, how or what some people are thinking sometimes.

Ellz

IMO you are a saint. Very few people would be willing to take on such a young pregnant bitch especially not knowing what she was mated with.....

This young girl needs specialised care and love and for anyone to suggest taking in such a dog out of the kindness of their own heart and abilities to help is not "right" either legally or morally is short sighted.

Money is not and should not be a motivating factor in any of this

Agree on both parts. Although money shouldn't be a motivating factor in the slightest, that doesn't mean that the puppies should be given away necessarily. there are costs involved (including time) to take on a thing like this and I think they should be accounted for.

agree joel

Certainly not saying any costs shouldn't be recouped just shouldnt be a motivation

[Greytmate]

then whos are they? an unchipped dog at that age... irresponsible owner much. what are the options? ill outline them for you.

1. The dog stays at the pound and is put down.

2. The irresponsible owner comes by (who, in my opinion, because they're an irresponsible owner shouldn't be allowed to own a dog), takes the dog back, has the puppies, sells them. Who knows what happens to the bitch.

3. Ellz takes the bitch, looks after her, looks after the puppies until they are old enough to go to new homes and them homes them (whether they are sold or not is irrelivant - I think that ellz should AT LEAST recoup the money spent on homing them).

4. The pound gives her over to another organization that will sell her and the puppies or does it themselves.

5. Someone from the pound will take her home (and then who the hell knows whats going to happen).

Ellz offer to take her would only be valid AFTER the period of time has gone where the owner is able to collect her. After that time is up, she is nobodies and will, if what the finder was told is true, be put down.

Who cares what Ellz's motives are. Maybe a young bitch is appealing? Maybe she (i'm assuming you're female for some reason) doesn't want to take on an old dog. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. The alternative is potentially death. Far out, I really dont udnerstand your thought process here Greytmate.

You are making a big assumption about the owner of this dog. We know nothing about them or why the dog is pregnant.

The person that started this thread has already told us what the pound allegedly told the finders, and I have questioned that. There was no mention of any attempt to work with council so that the dog could be legally transferred to new owners, just a request for somebody to take the dog.

People buying dogs and pups have a right to buy animals without any risk that the legal owner could turn up and take them away.

It is wrong to take and sell things that don't belong to you. Regardless of how caring you think you are.