tybrax Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 l feel your pain and l am so sorry this has happened to molly, sending heaps of love your way. tybrax and tyra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abzndbonnie Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Im teribly sory about molly i hope she starts to improve, just try and stay positive. This is the reason i am now not putting my dogs onto BARF. It doesn't state this possibility in some of the websites of BARF and it should, i myself didn't know about it. Keeping your family and molly in my thoughts abz xox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Oh, dear Bommie, my heart goes out to you. Our poor boxers and their immune systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bommy Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 Thanks guys, Well fate has just put pressure on us even more! The cancer guy in Brissy feels we should try chemo, not that it will cure her but prolong her life, going for the drug lumostine (sp??) & using hills science diet for Cancer dogs, we were not going to try chemo but he feels it may give us longer.... so now we need to decide what to do. Info I have read all point to lumostine causing annorexia in the treated dog which is a worry she is down to 23kgs, she eats 5 small meals a day, but the specialist (Ken ??? sorry didnt write down his last name) feel the science diet will help her combat weight loss... Has anyone out there used lumostine on their dogs? Thanks Jacqui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 No, I haven't. If the anorexia is a problem, perhaps she could have steroids, or whatever is appropriate to improve her appetite - sorry, I am a bit at sea here, but I would ask if something like that is possible, if the anorexia becomes a problem. Presumably this drug will have no ill effect on the neospora? There may not have been studies done, as neospora is so rare ... worth asking. Luckily, dogs don't experience the same side effects from chemo as people do, and if it was my dog, I'd be giving it a go!! How old is she Bommy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bommy Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 Hi Jed, She just turned 7 on January 21. I am still in contact with Beth (her breeder) & she had cry with me, she is to me the epitomy of a good ethical breedr, I hope I am as good as her one day She apologised to me for Moo getting cancer yet we both know it is nothing to do with her. The neospora specialist & the cancer guys are working together on this which is beneficial, She actually finishe her mth of Neospora treatment this week (Saturday) so we start the lustomine then. I asked my vet today (she's on hols has a locum in & rang me to check how Molly was, I dont think I will ever find as good a vet again) & she is happy to give me steroids for Molly as well to help combat any chances of the annorexia kicking in which is good. Jacqui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prydenjoy Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Why Hills? Is there something special they put in it? Abz, there are dangers that come with everything in life. I agree there should be warnings, but mostly I think its luck of the draw (also, Boxers are prone to it). My kitten has FIP, there was no way I could have prevented it and only one in 100 cats that get the carona virus actually get FIP. Lilian was in a controlled environment and she still got it. What I am saying as that no matter what you do, there are dangers in life. I think Jaqui would agree that feeding meat is generally ok, but it is when the immune system is already down (eg from cancer) that it poses a bigger risk. Did you know that kibble fed dogs actually have a higher rate of cancer than raw fed dogs? You can't protect against everything, unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipers Mummy Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Jacqui, So sorry to hear the very sad news about Molly. Louise x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bommy Posted February 3, 2005 Author Share Posted February 3, 2005 Hi Jeanne, I think it is something in the Hills diet, it is a special oe developed specifically for dogs with cancer, they have told me not to let Major near it. Abz is actually referring to the neospora side of my post in relation to the diseases, she has pm'd & asked me privately what I do I advised I now cook all bovine meats but feed raw chicken & RMB's. She wasnt aware of all the parasites in the raw bovine that a Boxer with their immune systems what they are being at a higher risk of picking up.. Also how is Lillian going? & have you heard from B/F yet or have I got my dates mixed up? Jacqui Pipers Mummy Thank you. Jacqui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prydenjoy Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Thats very interesting about the Hills, I wonder what they put in it??? Hmm, got me stumped. I think I may do the same with my Boxer, hadn't thought of cooking the neospora meat only. I need a reminder though, what animals carry it? Is it Beef, lamb, goat and pork or something? If I feed raw chicken, turkey, roo and rabbit will that be fine? Thats pretty much all my dogs get anyway, they also get lamb but it is pricey and they only get it because they are strong, healthy, and not breeds that are prone to neospora. I could just cut it out completely for the Boxer. Another thing I have been wondering about, someone mentioned that if you freeze the meat then neospora isn't an issue, then another person said it still is, so I was wondering if it makes it safer, if not eliminating it completely? Lilian is not too well, she is hanging in there, but if she doesn't start to feel better I may have to put her out of her misery, it would be the only humane thing to do. It is cold today, and she is not coping with it well at all. I haven't spoken to Josh yet, hopefully he will get to Korea soon and will be able to call me from there. It's so worrying, also, him being out at sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I remember greytmates post in Aug 2004 re neospora info and surveys, plus other posters comments/experiences: http://forums.dogzonline.com.au/index.php?...120&hl=neospora I`ll still be Barfing, just freezing for longer and supplementing Vit E, altho admittedly only really use beef bones... Best wishes with Molly, enjoy whatever time you have with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aatainc Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 thank you so much for the information about molly's condition. That was what I was wondering. Thank you - I'm so glad to hear that she has completed the neospora treatment and I hope you can make the decision about chemo with peace of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bommy Posted February 4, 2005 Author Share Posted February 4, 2005 Aatanic, Thanks for that I hope youdont mind but I have PMed you. Jacqui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abzndbonnie Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 i also have a boxer, she is 9 this year and thats why i was a bit shocked that i didn't see it on any websites about the risks of barf. I am going to feed cooked meat too now, should be good. Will cooked minced mixed with pasta and 1 raw egg every now and then be alright jaqui? I will change the meat evret so often, What other meat do you or anyone else cook? She's picked up in health after her health scare on new years. Shes back to her puppy self again! even in her old age. Boxers never grow out of that stage thats why i love them so much! good luck with molly again im still thinking of her *staying positive* i hvae a cute pic i will post soon!! abz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prydenjoy Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Abz, not all types of meat carries Neospora, so you don't have to cook all meat to prevent it. Also, you would be much better off mixing the meat with raw pureed veggies than with pasta, dogs do not naturally digest grains and they do nothing for them, you would be doing your dog a huge favour by not adding them to the diet (especially if your dog is eating a commercial diet!). Jacqui, is Neospora also carried in offal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bommy Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 Abz, Hi it is the bovine based meats i cook, beef, mutton, goat, I still feed raw chicken (though Molly loves chicken breasts sauted in butter & garlic). I still follow all the other BARF principles (raw vegies, etc). But I add in a bit of cooked pasta or rice as well & also Vets all natural supplement (started that friday after talking to the vet) to make sure she doesnt miss out on anything else. Jacqui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abzndbonnie Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 wow! sauted chicken for the dog! spoiled lil thing! lol don't blame you. Yeah ruby has improved so much on this diet she's gotten a much better coat and is digesting fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bommy Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 I am so sad atm, Molly had seemed to be picking up & she is actually standing o eat & is looking for her food, but after todays weekly checkup (which was free I am oing to miss my vet) she has actually lost another kilo. I just feel like crying.... when I got home & told Jason we realised that we are going tohave to make some hard decisions, and stick to them. Friday we had decided that this week was going to be it then PTS on the weekend, but then she just picked up so much, she is eating about 1.4kgs of high fat & protein food daily & is just not putting any weight on, she is just breaking my heart . Sorry guys, just had to get that out. Jacqui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbleGirl Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Jacqui I would give anything in this world to wrap my arms around you and give you a hug and cry with you, I don't have words me darlin, just know the tears are blinding me and my heart is bleeding for you. All My Love Riley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittlePixie Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Oh Jacqui I'm sorry. I know there's nothing anyone can say to take the pain away... just know we're all thinking of you and we all know how painful this is for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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