Greytmate Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Could you ask her to take it to the RSPCA? They will take it off her hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Could you ask her to take it to the RSPCA? They will take it off her hands. I am surprised at this suggestion given how often people are lambasted for dumping their dogs onto pounds to pts rather than taking responsibility and arranging it themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal House Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 So can they touch it at all? This is a very sad situation The poor pup obviously has not had a good start to what will probably be a very short life I don't believe these sort or problems can be diagnosed or solved over the internet. No one here has seen the pups actual behaviour and although PTS may well be the best option, wouldn't it be best to get the opinion of a professional who can see the pup in person and see how it interacts etc I believe they should get a behaviourist or experienced trainer to assess the pup and make a decision based on this. It is only fair to the pup to at least give it one last chance. In a home with no small kids, yes that would be the best option, but it is biting and growling if they go near it.....i wouldnt risk my toddler for one day with a dog like that let alone the time it takes for a trainer or behaviorist to assess it and work with it. It needs to either go to a home where someone dedicated will try to rehab it or it needs to be PTS. She said it will sometimes let her touch it but other times it bites. It also has a large lump (?) on its head. Ive told her repeatedly to take it to the vet, dont know if she has or not. And I just got a reply from her regarding PTS and she wont do it. She is going to try to give it away......*shakes head*..... Its so frustrating to try to educate someone who wont listen. Crap. So she is willing to pass on an aggressive dog? Just the same ethics as the breeder who dumped it on her. Can you offer to take it to be PTS instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lappiemum Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 So can they touch it at all? This is a very sad situation The poor pup obviously has not had a good start to what will probably be a very short life I don't believe these sort or problems can be diagnosed or solved over the internet. No one here has seen the pups actual behaviour and although PTS may well be the best option, wouldn't it be best to get the opinion of a professional who can see the pup in person and see how it interacts etcI believe they should get a behaviourist or experienced trainer to assess the pup and make a decision based on this. It is only fair to the pup to at least give it one last chance. Before PTS, at least have an expereinced canine behviourist look at the pup. If there is absolutely no hope, then yes, PTS is the best option. However, i wouldn't want to be making that decision unless all other resonable avenues had been considered. And time is of the essence, she should get it done asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackiemad Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 So can they touch it at all? This is a very sad situation The poor pup obviously has not had a good start to what will probably be a very short life I don't believe these sort or problems can be diagnosed or solved over the internet. No one here has seen the pups actual behaviour and although PTS may well be the best option, wouldn't it be best to get the opinion of a professional who can see the pup in person and see how it interacts etc I believe they should get a behaviourist or experienced trainer to assess the pup and make a decision based on this. It is only fair to the pup to at least give it one last chance. with absolute respect and not trying to be rude (things can come across as such on a forum-and i really don't want to be misunderstood ), i think that is pretty naive aussielover. resuce orgs will not take on a HA dog, but more importantly by keeping this dog with a child you can be not only endangering the child physically but also mentally scarring it for life. i live with a phobia and wouldn't wish it on anyone. it doesn't take much to give children serious fears and phobias and the longer this pup lives with a child the more likely it is that some damage will be done. "it is only fair" to get this poor pup, who is probably scared out of its mind and freaking out, humanely euth'ed. after all, professionals on this forum don't need to know a whole lot more about the pup that the behaviour described-if they were trying to rehab it, of course they would need mounds more info, but to make an assesment on the best option for the dog and the family? that one is easy, take it to the vet and put it down. it is in the best interests of the dog, the parents and the child. i feel really sorry for the people who took this dog on, yes they were silly, but someone palmed off a sad situation onto them and now they have to do the hard thing. jeeze, people can really suck sometimes, can't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 So can they touch it at all? This is a very sad situation The poor pup obviously has not had a good start to what will probably be a very short life I don't believe these sort or problems can be diagnosed or solved over the internet. No one here has seen the pups actual behaviour and although PTS may well be the best option, wouldn't it be best to get the opinion of a professional who can see the pup in person and see how it interacts etc I believe they should get a behaviourist or experienced trainer to assess the pup and make a decision based on this. It is only fair to the pup to at least give it one last chance. In a home with no small kids, yes that would be the best option, but it is biting and growling if they go near it.....i wouldnt risk my toddler for one day with a dog like that let alone the time it takes for a trainer or behaviorist to assess it and work with it. It needs to either go to a home where someone dedicated will try to rehab it or it needs to be PTS. She said it will sometimes let her touch it but other times it bites. It also has a large lump (?) on its head. Ive told her repeatedly to take it to the vet, dont know if she has or not. And I just got a reply from her regarding PTS and she wont do it. She is going to try to give it away......*shakes head*..... Its so frustrating to try to educate someone who wont listen. Crap. So she is willing to pass on an aggressive dog? Just the same ethics as the breeder who dumped it on her. Can you offer to take it to be PTS instead? Yeah I should hey......wonder how much it will cost to transport it up to QLD tho....she is down near Sydney and Im in Brissy. Any ideas? I think it cost about $150 to fly Elliott up from Canberra last year....shouldnt be much more than that should it? Im only asking because Im in the middle of moving and were already strapped with moving costs....ugh i hate being so povo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Sorry another with the PTS option is probably best, giving her away may nullify the guilt of having her PTS but what about the guilt if she bites another child in the new home? It is cruel to move an unsocialised, terrified pup around from home to home and I honestly understand how your friend would prefer a happy ending, but in this case the reality of that sounds very minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsarsMum Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 try to give it away who the hell is going to take a aggresive dog. she needs to grow some balls and do what needs to be done. not make it someone eles problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I'd send Steve Courtney at K9pro.com.au an email, and ask him if he could recommend a behaviourist closer to where the dog lives, to get an assessment done. And then you know if the dog has a chance or not, and you have someone to support you through the rehab. But it's going to need a dog run where it can be kept separate to the child and anything else it might bite. Sheep dogs that are "no good" are usually declared "no good" because they've attacked the sheep. So it may be that this dog is just wired all wrong to start with. But if they really want to give the dog a chance, get a behaviourist to have a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Could you ask her to take it to the RSPCA? They will take it off her hands. I am surprised at this suggestion given how often people are lambasted for dumping their dogs onto pounds to pts rather than taking responsibility and arranging it themselves. The RSPCA is not a pound. Given that the RSPCA has behaviour assessment, and this dog's behaviour is so obviously aggressive, it is a better option than giving it away to somebody else. This owner has already indicated she is irresponsible, and the RSPCA caters well to irresponsible owners who are too gutless to take the dog to the vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymatt Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Could the large lump on the puppy's head have anything to do with how it is acting.... taking it to the vet would be the best wouldn't it.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranVT Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 So can they touch it at all? This is a very sad situation The poor pup obviously has not had a good start to what will probably be a very short life I don't believe these sort or problems can be diagnosed or solved over the internet. No one here has seen the pups actual behaviour and although PTS may well be the best option, wouldn't it be best to get the opinion of a professional who can see the pup in person and see how it interacts etc I believe they should get a behaviourist or experienced trainer to assess the pup and make a decision based on this. It is only fair to the pup to at least give it one last chance. In a home with no small kids, yes that would be the best option, but it is biting and growling if they go near it.....i wouldnt risk my toddler for one day with a dog like that let alone the time it takes for a trainer or behaviorist to assess it and work with it. It needs to either go to a home where someone dedicated will try to rehab it or it needs to be PTS. She said it will sometimes let her touch it but other times it bites. It also has a large lump (?) on its head. Ive told her repeatedly to take it to the vet, dont know if she has or not. And I just got a reply from her regarding PTS and she wont do it. She is going to try to give it away......*shakes head*..... Its so frustrating to try to educate someone who wont listen. Crap. So she is willing to pass on an aggressive dog? Just the same ethics as the breeder who dumped it on her. Can you offer to take it to be PTS instead? Yeah I should hey......wonder how much it will cost to transport it up to QLD tho....she is down near Sydney and Im in Brissy. Any ideas? I think it cost about $150 to fly Elliott up from Canberra last year....shouldnt be much more than that should it? Im only asking because Im in the middle of moving and were already strapped with moving costs....ugh i hate being so povo! Please don't beat yourself up because you can't afford to get rid of a problem that's not yours in the first place! You're doing all you can and sometimes there's just no more that can be done I agree with MRB and Greyt, a behavioural assessment needs to be done stat and if she is in Sydney then Steve from K9-Pro would be the perfect choice I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) Probably should not be assuming, but my guess is if your friend was compelled to make contact from an ad listing a dog as "free", then it is most likely to be possible that she is not willing or cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars or more rehabilitating and training this pup... let alone the absolute mammoth task and time involved. Not being judgemental as such, but if that is how it is, then that is how it is. I am not at all prepared to flame your friend or call her names. She is similar to possible the majority of well intentioned members of the public. She just did not know any better. She does now, which is a good thing. IMO, this poor pup should not be allowd to spend another minute terrified, which clearly it is by the sounds of your description Danielle. You have done the best you can. Your friend has made a mistake, she knows it. The most responsible thing she can do now is to own her mistake and learn from it. Take the poor pup to the vet and have it euthed. I would gather this will be a huge turning point for your friend from a place of little knowledge and experience in this area to one of wisdom and growth. As awful and sad as this whole situation (and that breeder needs a good slapping), there can be a positive found in it. Your friend can step up to the plate and do the right thing, and end this poor pup's further suffering. And in future she will hold herself to a higher standard. Well done for being helpful and supportive with your friend. Please let us know how it goes. Edited July 28, 2010 by dyzney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazawayaya Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 If she has only had the dog for a few days isnt there a chance that it is just scared in its new surroundings and needs some time to settle in? Everyone seems to be throwing the towel in a little too soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsD Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 That poor puppy, I agree probably the best thing for it is a trip to the vet. If she really resists that idea then get her to contact Steve as others have said, I'm sure he would go & see it & give an assessment, but the MOST important thing is that she keeps her child safe & she does NOT give the dog away to anyone else. I really can't believe that she is even considering giving it away to be honest . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 So can they touch it at all? This is a very sad situation The poor pup obviously has not had a good start to what will probably be a very short life I don't believe these sort or problems can be diagnosed or solved over the internet. No one here has seen the pups actual behaviour and although PTS may well be the best option, wouldn't it be best to get the opinion of a professional who can see the pup in person and see how it interacts etc I believe they should get a behaviourist or experienced trainer to assess the pup and make a decision based on this. It is only fair to the pup to at least give it one last chance. with absolute respect and not trying to be rude (things can come across as such on a forum-and i really don't want to be misunderstood ), i think that is pretty naive aussielover. resuce orgs will not take on a HA dog, but more importantly by keeping this dog with a child you can be not only endangering the child physically but also mentally scarring it for life. i live with a phobia and wouldn't wish it on anyone. it doesn't take much to give children serious fears and phobias and the longer this pup lives with a child the more likely it is that some damage will be done. "it is only fair" to get this poor pup, who is probably scared out of its mind and freaking out, humanely euth'ed. after all, professionals on this forum don't need to know a whole lot more about the pup that the behaviour described-if they were trying to rehab it, of course they would need mounds more info, but to make an assesment on the best option for the dog and the family? that one is easy, take it to the vet and put it down. it is in the best interests of the dog, the parents and the child. i feel really sorry for the people who took this dog on, yes they were silly, but someone palmed off a sad situation onto them and now they have to do the hard thing. jeeze, people can really suck sometimes, can't they? I know you're not trying to be rude But my point is, we are making recommendations to PTS based on second hand information, obviously i'm not saying the OP is lying but the owner could certainly be exaggerating or even misinterpreting the situations. Very few here are qualified behaviourists and I doubt that a qualified behaviourist or great dog trainer would assess such a situation based on online, second hand info. Again, not trying to be rude, but I think you're quite wrong about professionals not needing to know more than what has been said here on the forum. In my opinion the responsible thing to do was get the dog assessed ASAP. I'm not saying its wrong to PTS. Also, in light of the new info regarding the lump on the head- a trip to the vet is required! Howver, I also accept the fact the the decision is up to the owner, I am disappointed to hear they will not get the puppy professionally assessed. Hopefully the person they manage to pass it on to will be able to help the poor thing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsD Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 If she has only had the dog for a few days isnt there a chance that it is just scared in its new surroundings and needs some time to settle in?Everyone seems to be throwing the towel in a little too soon It is biting her & her husband if they try to touch it! That's not just being scared of new surroundings IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Where in Sydney is the pup? I would need a lot more info before I would recommend PTS. How experienced is your friend with dogs? with working dogs? I have seen a dozen or so working line BC's & kelpies come at an older age from breeders/triallers/farms who have basically never been handled. Their behaviour is indicatve of their upbringing...or lack of! They are like feral kittens to start. Most of the ones I have seen have come around very quickly with some TLC, trust & boundaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 It is biting her & her husband if they try to touch it! That's not just being scared of new surroundings IMO. It is easy to make any scared dog bite if your behaviour around them empowers them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) It is biting her & her husband if they try to touch it! That's not just being scared of new surroundings IMO. It is easy to make any scared dog bite if your behaviour around them empowers them. It also dead easy if you cut a dog off from an opportunity to flee and force it into defence mode, especially if it has a low bite threshold anyway. The current owner and her husband should give the dog space. Let it eat and let it be. Give it time to become accustomed to surroundings and don't present a threat. Sadly, conveying that message to a 4 year old is more challenging. Edited July 28, 2010 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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