Loving my Oldies Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 How is she going to give it to someone else, if she can't even handle it? How is someone going to come and get her if shes trying to bite their face off? I think we haven't all the facts and haven't been told the full truth here. Pretty rude Aussielover. Danielle has totally told the truth as she has been told by the owner of the dog. Danielle, I think what you have done is a lot more the most people would do for a dog. I think you have done all you can do, and it's not your fault that your friend won't listen to you. to you. x2 x3. Odd how posters are criticised for jumping to assumptions and then those making the criticisms jump to assumptions of their own. Ho hum..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdog Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Danielle, can you post the pic of the puppy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ons Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Danielle, I think what you have done is a lot more the most people would do for a dog. I think you have done all you can do, and it's not your fault that your friend won't listen to you. to you. x2 x3 x 5 (coz MM is x 4) thank you Danielle for caring about this dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Danielle, can you post the pic of the puppy? What would that achieve? Do you want people to form an emotional attachment to the dog? Why not go and look in the Urgent Rescue forum if you want to look at photos of poor dogs that do not have owners. Some of them don't bite even if they are frightened. Danielle, good on you for trying, you cannot win them all, but you tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdog Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 OFFS I asked because the dog apparently has an injury to its head. Sorry I didn't explain it to YOU, didn't realise someone had died and put you in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 Thanks guys, but I did stuff up here. I allowed this thread to continue on into something it should not have become. I also called my friend stupid which was not nice and ive hurt her feelings. I take that comment back, she is not stupid, but it certainly was a silly thing to do to aquire a dog like that. I dont know, maybe i shouldve gotten more info, maybe i shouldve said nothing. I just tried to help but it has backfired in my face. Next time Ill say nothing and sit on the bloody fence like other ppl do.....safer there. Bugger standing up and trying to help, it only gets you a slap in the face. Anyways, she is trying to find the dog a good home and i spose that counts for something. Hopefully she finds someone who is experienced in this area who is willing to take it on. She is aware that Im disappointed in her for doing this, but at the end of the day it is her dog and is totally up to her what she does. Im staying out of it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 OFFS I asked because the dog apparently has an injury to its head. Sorry I didn't explain it to YOU, didn't realise someone had died and put you in charge. You didn't explain it to anyone, you just made another demand on Danielle. I didn't realise you were running some sort of online amateur veterinary advice service. Diagnosed many other head injuries over the www lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkeyre Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Danielle, I think what you have done is a lot more the most people would do for a dog. I think you have done all you can do, and it's not your fault that your friend won't listen to you. to you. x2 x3 x 5 (coz MM is x 4) thank you Danielle for caring about this dog X6 and I can bet we're not the only ones thinking about how good a person you are to do your best and try, even if your friend turned around and did that behind your back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Avanti* Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 x7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 Danielle, I think what you have done is a lot more the most people would do for a dog. I think you have done all you can do, and it's not your fault that your friend won't listen to you. to you. x2 x3 x 5 (coz MM is x 4) thank you Danielle for caring about this dog X6 and I can bet we're not the only ones thinking about how good a person you are to do your best and try, even if your friend turned around and did that behind your back. Look at the risk of sounding condescending to her (not meaning to) i dont think she is like "us" if u know what I mean. Us Dogzonliners are a pretty pedantic bunch, some call us over the top and a bit scarey sometimes, lol, you know we are! I think she is just thinking it will be okay. Shes a country girl who isnt into the whole showdog/pedigree/pedantic stuff......lets just wait and see how it pans out okay. Who knows, maybe this pupper will find the perfect home out on a sheep farm or something and everything will be rosey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Perhaps she doesnt have the $300 floating around in her biscuit tin to hand over to have it assessed. She didnt get to meet the dog prior to it being dropped off at her place, the person who will be taking the dog will make a reasonable assessment based on whether their extremities are still in tact by the end of the conversation.EFC Actually, some people who are knowledgeable in working breeds have offered to come and assess the dog, as far as I know without payment. Stuff has been going on behind the scenes to try and help this dog. Not sure now that it has been placed on gumtree though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 i must add that i have absolutely no experience at all with aggressive dogs, be it da or ha, but i would think that the prospects of rehabbing a 5 mo old pup would be somewhat successful! A lot of a dog's temperament is already set by that age (genetics and environment). Also the critical socialisation age is 8 - 16 weeks. There are many people who say "rehabilitate" but not many people with the time, money and skill set to do it. I have a dog with severe fear issues (ex-puppy farm breeding bitch) but she isn't HA and only dislikes overly friendly dogs (growls, doesn't attack). Unless you have walked a mile in someone shoes etc etc I wouldn't berudge anyone who PTS a dog with severe issues. It is extremely emotionally and financially taxing to rehabilitate a dog who has severe issues. The only people who I would trust with a HA dog are qualified behaviourists. There aren't many of these and most of them already have dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Perhaps she doesnt have the $300 floating around in her biscuit tin to hand over to have it assessed. She didnt get to meet the dog prior to it being dropped off at her place, the person who will be taking the dog will make a reasonable assessment based on whether their extremities are still in tact by the end of the conversation. This has to be one of the most extraordinary assumptions ever . How on earth can you say something like that when you have absolutely no idea. The lady who has the dog now didn't "make a reasonable assessment". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Rules Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Perhaps she doesnt have the $300 floating around in her biscuit tin to hand over to have it assessed. She didnt get to meet the dog prior to it being dropped off at her place, the person who will be taking the dog will make a reasonable assessment based on whether their extremities are still in tact by the end of the conversation. This has to be one of the most extraordinary assumptions ever . How on earth can you say something like that when you have absolutely no idea. The lady who has the dog now didn't "make a reasonable assessment". MM, the 'reasonable assessment' was said tongue in cheek with the rest of the sentence which you didn't highlight. I'll do it for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Shepherd~ Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Perhaps she doesnt have the $300 floating around in her biscuit tin to hand over to have it assessed. She didnt get to meet the dog prior to it being dropped off at her place, the person who will be taking the dog will make a reasonable assessment based on whether their extremities are still in tact by the end of the conversation. This has to be one of the most extraordinary assumptions ever . How on earth can you say something like that when you have absolutely no idea. The lady who has the dog now didn't "make a reasonable assessment". No one would take a dog if it attacked them. That is what I am saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'm just thinking, not diagnosing, but maybe this pup had been hit in the head and is now fearful of the strangers it is with??? I'm also not saying someone hit it, it could have happened any number of ways, transporting or something fell on it when it was poking about? The animal must have been friendly enough for the person who had it to consider it suitable to pass on and I'm also wondering how it behaved when it first arrived. I don't think anyone would let someone take a growling, snarling animal to their home and allow them to leave it there?? Good on you Danielle for making the effort, don't let the negative aspect of helping stop you from being the kind person that you are. It's horrible when we let a negative experience affect who we are. This is what happens to animals who are treated badly, they react to the negative. Fortunately they also can react to the positive. Don't allow the negative to affect you, let the positive comments sustain you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'm just thinking, not diagnosing, but maybe this pup had been hit in the head and is now fearful of the strangers it is with??? I'm also not saying someone hit it, it could have happened any number of ways, transporting or something fell on it when it was poking about? The animal must have been friendly enough for the person who had it to consider it suitable to pass on and I'm also wondering how it behaved when it first arrived. I don't think anyone would let someone take a growling, snarling animal to their home and allow them to leave it there??Good on you Danielle for making the effort, don't let the negative aspect of helping stop you from being the kind person that you are. It's horrible when we let a negative experience affect who we are. This is what happens to animals who are treated badly, they react to the negative. Fortunately they also can react to the positive. Don't allow the negative to affect you, let the positive comments sustain you. Thanks Lizzy. I just feel bad for getting angry at my friend, its not her fault, she didnt know any better and I feel awful. But anyways, Ive spoken to her last night and today and she has sent me some vids of the pup, it seems to be calming down and warming up to her. Im trying to get her to keep it and work with it....ive been harping on at her, hehe, poor girl. The pup has a huge lump on its head, from what i can see in the pics and vids it looks like its the size of half a golf ball. I dont like to assume (especially after this thread lol) but I think its been injured somehow. It had the lump when she got the dog so I know it didnt happen at my friends house. It couldve bumped itself or something may have fallen on it or it could be something more sinister. The breeder got back to her and told her off a bit and said the dog is lucky as she 'shoots' them if they dont work, so i wouldnt be surprised if its been bopped on the head. Ill ask her to have a close inspection of the site as it could even be an infection of some sort. Im not telling her what to do anymore, if she takes it to the vet she does, if she doesnt she doesnt, Im keeping my mouth closed as I dont want to upset her anymore. I really hope it works out for both her and the pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conztruct Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Danielle, you have done a wonderful thing with the effort that you have put in here and don't let anyone tell you any different. Also your bravery for posting on DOL about is also commendable. Look - online is difficult, things aren't always expressed as well as they could be but I think the vast majority of posters are simply concerned about the situation and making statements and suggestions based on their experiences and opinions - please don't take it that they're attacking you - I think they're just looking at the situation and assessing it based on how they'd handle it which is different for everyone - I don't think anyone could reasonably be negative about what you've done for this puppy - there's very little more you could do. You've told us everything as your friend stated it so if they're telling porkies what can you do about it? If the pup really is aggressive, I think it's very bad that it's been readvertised but you've done what you can in telling her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PL_ Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 OFFS I asked because the dog apparently has an injury to its head. Sorry I didn't explain it to YOU, didn't realise someone had died and put you in charge. You didn't explain it to anyone, you just made another demand on Danielle. I didn't realise you were running some sort of online amateur veterinary advice service. Diagnosed many other head injuries over the www lately? I was curious about the lump too. It sounds big. I have next-to-zero head lump experience and wouldn't take a guess on the basis of a piccie but if if it is for example - very painful? Silly to make assumptions I know but a pup in pain is not going to behave like a normal pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Danielle You did your best. It's life or death for this dog, so extreme reactions from dog lovers could be expected. I'm really not sure about your friend though. Dog has injury and aggression issues, needs to go to vet. hasn't gone to vet? Dog could use the help of a behaviourist. Cost may not be an issue - friend won't know unless they ask, have they asked? Dog has been advertised without mention of aggression issues - free. And not desexed? RSPCA will PTS at no cost to "friend". It's not fair on the puppy but better than handing it on to someone like the breeder or worse. That gumtree link - with the related ads... yikes, free staffy pups???? I don't think I could read the pet section of gumtree. Too sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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