poodlefan Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) Does Australia have a place that's anything like the Olympic Sanctuary (http://www.olympicanimalsanctuary.org/) in the US? dogsintraining over at livejournal were recommending that to someone in the US who had a dog that had killed several other dogs. No. Can't say I'm all that sorry about it either. I do not support the warehousing of dogs that are unsuitable to live in the community. Edited July 28, 2010 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl10 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Also from whats been said the pup doesnt show aggression all the time, it doesnt come towards a person aggressively, only when a person put pressure on it or possibly touches it in the wrong spot does it then show aggression ( which with reference to my previous statement considering its lump, the reaction from the pain could be mistaken for aggression) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westielover Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Steer your friend in the direction of a professional and not strangers on a dog forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) Anyways, the pup is timid and terrified, wont come near my friend or her husband and growls and bites when they attempt to touch it. It is extremely agressive (its 5 months old) and my friend is basically scared of it and does not want to keep it as she is concerned for her 4 year old daughters safety. She has contacted the breeder but got no response of course. The problem with taking it to the vet is highlighted, if the new owners can't handle it how are they supposed to transport it? Some options are just not viable with the new owners by the sounds of it. For example - if this dog is transported it would probably need 2 people to do so, what about the child in the car? Could one parent transport/handle the dog at the vets? How would it go in a crate, would it be more fearful especially when trying to get it out again? It isn't as simple as saying take it to the vet, these are people that have been bitten and Danielles friend is scared of it - not a good mix when handling this type of dog either. I agree professional advice is needed with someone coming out to the friends property to do the assessment and then a decision can be made in everyones best interests. Edited July 28, 2010 by casowner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Also from whats been said the pup doesnt show aggression all the time, it doesnt come towards a person aggressively, only when a person put pressure on it or possibly touches it in the wrong spot does it then show aggression ( which with reference to my previous statement considering its lump, the reaction from the pain could be mistaken for aggression) The reaction the dog is showing is biting. It is a mistake to say that biting is not aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalathebear Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Does Australia have a place that's anything like the Olympic Sanctuary (http://www.olympicanimalsanctuary.org/) in the US? dogsintraining over at livejournal were recommending that to someone in the US who had a dog that had killed several other dogs. No. Can't say I'm all that sorry about it either. I do not support the warehousing of dogs that are unsuitable to live in the community. Ah, thanks for updating your comment. I was about to post and ask for your reasons - because I was curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) Does Australia have a place that's anything like the Olympic Sanctuary (http://www.olympicanimalsanctuary.org/) in the US? dogsintraining over at livejournal were recommending that to someone in the US who had a dog that had killed several other dogs. No. Can't say I'm all that sorry about it either. I do not support the warehousing of dogs that are unsuitable to live in the community. Ah, thanks for updating your comment. I was about to post and ask for your reasons - because I was curious. I sounded terse KTB. I wanted to explain why I hold that view. I find it ironic that the sorts of animal welfare groups who campaign against animals in zoos will propose exactly the same (or worse) conditions for dogs who cannot be safely homed. There are worse fates than a green dream and spending your days in a shelter run has to be one of them. EFS Edited July 28, 2010 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Having recently been through the ghastly experience of having to PTS a HA and DA little dog, I am loath to enter into any discussion, as it was one of the worst experiences of my dog life. I cannot believe that the woman is proposing to give this poor little pup to someone else. However, if it comes to PTS, I just hopes the woman stays with him and gives him some comfort and love at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I sounded terse KTB. I wanted to explain why I hold that view. I find it ironic that the sorts of animal welfare groups who campaign against animals in zoos will propose exactly the same (or worse) conditions for dogs who cannot be safely homed. There are worse fates than a grean dream and spending your days in a shelter run has to be one of them. Sadly, this is what "rescue" is becoming also. But that's a whole new topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 Steer your friend in the direction of a professional and not strangers on a dog forum. Why? A lot of ppl on here are my friends outside of the forum.... What kind of a professional do you suggest westielover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkabull Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 How experienced with dogs are these people? I have been around dogs my whole life and although I am no expert but I am pretty sure that I can read dog body language confidently and I can then behave accordingly. My OH has never had dogs before he was with me and there has been a number of times that he has approached dogs (in public places) and they have reacted very badly to him. He was nearly bitten on the face by an American Bulldog at a local market (the dog behaved fine with me) and I had to stop him approaching a dobermann that I was patting and talking to as when he started approaching us the dog tensed up looked very uncomfortable. Obviously something in the way he behaves is putting off some dogs, others will tolerate him but it is easy to see that they don't love getting attention from him. Our own dogs tolerate him and would never (well as certain as anyone could be about that) bite him or any other person but they definately behave 'differently' around him. The point I'm trying to make is: is it possible that these people have no idea about dogs and are going about this all the wrong way? If these people can't or wont take the dog to a vet or RSPCA then surely a ranger or the like would come out and collect the dog and it would be assessed then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsarsMum Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 what does HA and DA stand for ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 HA = human aggressive DA = dog aggressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelpiegirl10 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) Also from whats been said the pup doesnt show aggression all the time, it doesnt come towards a person aggressively, only when a person put pressure on it or possibly touches it in the wrong spot does it then show aggression ( which with reference to my previous statement considering its lump, the reaction from the pain could be mistaken for aggression) The reaction the dog is showing is biting. It is a mistake to say that biting is not aggression. Greymate - I have seen plenty of dogs bite a person including owner & vets when in pain, no matter how friendly, calm or aggressive the dog may be - biting can be a reaction when in pain. Im not saying that the dog isnt aggressive im jus suggesting that the dog may only be biting out of pain (and obviously fear).. Edited July 28, 2010 by kelpiegirl10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herding_guy Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) Danielle.....Please PM me or contact me via email; [email protected] we can chat about dog and talk options this dog is young enough to be rehabilitated and start working. Diggers Herding & K9 Education Edited July 28, 2010 by herding_guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monah Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Having recently been through the ghastly experience of having to PTS a HA and DA little dog, I am loath to enter into any discussion, as it was one of the worst experiences of my dog life. I cannot believe that the woman is proposing to give this poor little pup to someone else. However, if it comes to PTS, I just hopes the woman stays with him and gives him some comfort and love at the end. Hope you are getting better that must have been a monumental decision. Awful awful thing to go through.xxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westielover Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Steer your friend in the direction of a professional and not strangers on a dog forum. Why? A lot of ppl on here are my friends outside of the forum.... What kind of a professional do you suggest westielover? Your friend will be hard pressed finding a new home for the poor dog and she will probably realise that as soon as she starts trying. My suggestion of a steering her towards professional is twofold. Get a behaviourist in for a consult to assess the dog and advise if the dog is a candidate for rehab or not and how much work would be involved in retraining the dog. Doing this may also ease her mind about putting the dog to sleep if she’s not currently comfortable with the idea. She may not like the idea of having friends tell her to put the dog to sleep – perhaps she will heed the advice of a professional?? Mind you – I honestly wish that people would become more responsible when it comes to animals. It’s sad seeing threads like this where people have taken on a dog from dodgy ads/breeders/puppy farms etc and end up with these poor unsocialised, fear aggressive dogs. It annoys the absolute crap out of me. If I could cull these dodgy people from the human race I would. I hate these irresponsible people. Makes my blood boil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 A working line dog bought into a home isn't really a good idea. The working lines are bred to work, and they can go nutty kept in a backyard [i know because an idiot 'mate' of OH's has a working line BC in his backyard, digging craters].I agree with the people saying PTS is the kindest option. Years ago a friend of my flatmate bought a cute fluffy black and white puppy, most likely from a pet shop. :p :vomit: Well it grew as they do and created a 18 hole golf course on the back lawn in downtown Brighton. :( Parent not happy. GET RID OF IT NOW. My parents agreed to take it and advertise in the local paper. I picked her up with friend, rode a motor bike at the time so needed car transport, and took her to Camperdown. Advertised in the paper and she was taken by a sheep farmer. Took to to herding like a duck to water. Breed- border collie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandra64 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Danielle.....Please PM me or contact me via email; [email protected] we can chat about dog and talk options this dog is young enough to be rehabilitated and start working.Diggers Herding & K9 Education thanks for your support herding-guy.....we are all putting our heads together for this lil one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 She has experience with dogs, she has three others, all working dogs, well adjusted and well trained. Its not that this pup is scared, it is literally savage. I asked her if it is biting out of fear and she said that it seems like its saying "dont touch me or ill bite!". Those were her words. Once I told her to PTS she backtracked and said it only bites sometimes. I think she is making up excuses for it as she does not want to put it to sleep. But I have to make her see that rehoming is the worst thing she can do right now, the dog is not in any state to be rehomed unless it was to someone experienced in these kinds of things and who was willing to take this problem dog on. I can imagine this must be hard for her, she has never dealt with a dog like this before as most of us havent. Really, who has had an agressive puppy before? Its so easy to say what we would do, but we arent in her shoes now are we? To be quite honest with you guys, I dont think she wants to work with this pup, she is afraid of it and wants it out of the house which is totally understandable. She also feels that her other dogs are scaring it as they are happy go lucky boisterous kelpies and this one is just terrified of everything. Really the breeder should take it back, but we all know she wont. Thanks for the offer "Herding Guy", but I dont think she will go down that track, I will definately pass your email address on to her tho, thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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