MonElite Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Its about my breed - dobermanns. ALL THE TIME I hear this "story" - My dobie is big as he/she is from the working lines. Its not a show dog. My WORKING line dog has substance. (I translate it as - your show dogs dont have any) Well I have show dogs and my girls are nearly 40kg each, Im not able to hold onto them on a flat collar if they pull me. They are not fat, they are strong big boned dobermanns. My Divanis brother - that has several significant wins in the show ring is 46kg and there is no way anyone would call that dog non substantial. Im sick and tired of hearing how big/substantial and sizeable are dogs from working lines. And that apparently show dobes are not! maybe some people need to go to a show to have a look around..... I know few dogs from working lines and countless number of show dogs. The working line bitches I met were tiny, mine tower over them and weigh nearly twice as much. What is it with people that they continue saying it? Do the working line breeders have such strong propaganda that show dobes are like whippets and general public belives them? Again newby today on here - I have a working line dobie pup - its going to be big. Well - get a show dobie from me and it will also be big! Rant over For the purpose of the thread - what is it that annoys you that people say about your breed. And I cetainly hope this thread is not going to end up another show v's working lines.... please dont if you are tempted to turn it that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkeyre Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I hate hearing people say how big a dog will be from it's knuckles and toes. lol. lol. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claireybell Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I have an English Cocker Spaniel. Everyone tells me how stupid cockers are, completely thick headed is another comment! It drives me up the bloody wall. When we were attending our obedience club she sailed through the classes. Within 12 months she'd gone from Beginner 1 to White (classes are: B1, B2, Pink, Yellow, White, UD). I can show her a trick or command once and she gets it. Not stupid at all. Just cause she never stops wagging her tail and is pretty much constantly happy this does not mean she is thick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenau1 Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 This is interesting! I was recently talking to someone with working line Dobermanns, and he told me that working line dogs tend to be smaller than show line dogs, not bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I feel for the people with cream Kelpies. They are often asked if it is a dingo and one owner gets asked if it is a Pharoah Hound A legitimate colour in the breed, not common but does crop up more than I realised as I am seeing more of them in person and on breeder's websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkeyre Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 This is interesting! I was recently talking to someone with working line Dobermanns, and he told me that working line dogs tend to be smaller than show line dogs, not bigger. take a look at border collies (the ones here locally atleast) and other breeds. I notice that working lines tend to be finer as they are lean working machines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emery Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 the show dobes here are anything but non substantial they are all muscle and coats gleam, i secretly admire one of the nice red/browns?? they are beautiful and can really move and work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 Mon, I would be more tempted to get a Dobe if they were closer to 25 kgs than 40 Not sure I am keen on getting a dog that weighs nearly as much as me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~*Shell*~ Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) I have a sibe - sick of people telling me you can't do anything with them, they're untrainable apparently. If I hear one more person who says "I wanted to do obedience/agility with my dog but my partner wanted a husky so we got one and now I can't" I will scream. I've seen sibes in obedience, agility, flyball and in the show ring - Zero's a qualified therapy dog so there's nothing you can't do with them if you can find what motivates them. ETA: The working line sibes tend to be smaller and leggier too - show line sibes tend to look stockier to me. Oh, and that sibes are related to wolves. Apparently they'll "turn on you without warning" Edited July 7, 2010 by ~*Shell*~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 This is interesting! I was recently talking to someone with working line Dobermanns, and he told me that working line dogs tend to be smaller than show line dogs, not bigger. Wonder who was it. Maybe me Example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted July 7, 2010 Author Share Posted July 7, 2010 I would be more tempted to get a Dobe if they were closer to 25 kgs than 40 Get a working line one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I would be more tempted to get a Dobe if they were closer to 25 kgs than 40 Get a working line one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyla Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) That chocolate labs are dumber than the other colours, and they have a different temperament. Edited July 7, 2010 by je2910 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I hate hearing people say how big a dog will be from it's knuckles and toes.lol. lol. lol. yes, its very annoying, people keep telling me how massive my dog will be because she has very big paws apparently. They say it in a horrified or amused voice. Well, obviously, she's a labrador, I wouldn't have gotten her if I didn't expect a big dog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadesamara Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 At the moment on Foxtel, the advertisement for the latest episode of Dog Whisperer states "What breed are you most scared of?" and asks it of the general public. Of course, the usual answers follow..."Rockwheeler", "German Shepherd", "Dobermann". Great way to break down the stereotypes, guys ... In a way I suppose it's good...the less "macho" "I want my savage Dobe to have a thick studded collar, cropped ears, and savage snarl" owner in possession of this beautiful breed, the better! I've loved my Dobermanns, and will continue to love the breed. I have been following my future puppy's mother in the showring for many months now, and she is certainly larger than my previous bitch. I think any Dobe can be a working dog, can it not? With the right training?? Temperament is the most important thing to me, not how big the dog stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenau1 Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 This is interesting! I was recently talking to someone with working line Dobermanns, and he told me that working line dogs tend to be smaller than show line dogs, not bigger. Wonder who was it. Maybe me Example Was someone offline I was told that the working line dogs can be substantially smaller than show line dogs. But I guess perhaps some can be bigger then When I was growing up, my parents were often told that they shouldn't leave me alone with our German Shepherd! Because, you know, you can't trust them with kids! She was like my nanny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 That chocolate labs are dumber than the other colours, and they have a different temperament. They are also apparently more prone to health problems, especially droopy bottom eyelids. Hmmmm, my choc pup has firmer lids than my yellow pup. Yellow pups dad is an Aust Champ, and she has been deemed as show quality from judges and other breeders. Should make choc pup a shoo in then...if only she wasn't a dumb choccie.... I actually think that when a dog is bred for colour alone, then they suffer. As choc labs are currently quite popular, I think unethical people, in it for the money, may have been the cause of this myth. Obviously a well bred lab of any colour should have a great temperament and be healthy (if looked after approopriately). I've seen a number of pet shop choc labs (and other colurs too) that are out of control, aggressive and unhealthy. The owner of one actually recently said to me about my black pup that "she would be so much cuter if she were chocolate" mmm I hope she was joking. I love the chocs but if I were to get one, it would be from a good breeder that didn't only breed to get choc pups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I kinda took from that 'example' post that they were saying their Dobe is from working lines AS WELL as going to be a big boy, hence why they wanted to find a suitable trainer. But I get where you're coming from. I get sick of people who want to brag about how big their Dane is going to be, like it's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 I have a very large (over standard size) Kelpie - lots of people ask me if he is pure or a cross - he is pure, just big I don't say it as a good or bad thing - just the truth! I did manage to pick it when I saw someone I know with their Kelpie pup last year - said he looked like he was going to be big and might be joining me in 600 jumping dogs - the dog is now bigger than Kaos and not a year old yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadesamara Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 When I was growing up, my parents were often told that they shouldn't leave me alone with our German Shepherd! Because, you know, you can't trust them with kids! She was like my nanny! I grew up with show dogs (Dobermanns), and funnily enough (though obviously not at the time!) one of our Dobes did bite me. We were at a country show, and she was laying down. I put my head on her tummy, and she got up and moved. I followed her and did the same thing again. This time she had a go at me and although she didn't break the skin, I had a red mark in the middle of my forehead for months afterwards. Is this the savage breed rearing it's ugly head? No, it was a silly young girl with no idea of how to respect a dog. The dog was not reprimanded, I was . Now that I have children, I made a point of teaching them how to act around our Dobe, and how to respect her and treat her properly. We have never had a single instance of aggression since the boys were born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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