RubyStar Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 ETA: Kavik, when ADAA first started out they had two height classes - Maxi and Mini. Mini's jumped 400mm and Maxi's jumped 760mm..... ;) Thanks Tony. Clear as mud :D And those original two height classes, MADNESS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrietta Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) Mmmm, I have a noob question about 2 x 2s. I'm teaching my girl to weave for fun and I've decided I'd like to give the 2 x 2 a crack. But I've fallen at the first hurdle. When I go place a reward in the correct reward position, she has started to look back at me whilst she is going through the 2 x 2. Waiting for me to throw the toy/food I suppose. Shaping her through it wasn't a problem. What can I do to encourage her to just drive straight through without looking at me? I figure I will have to practice this exercise separate to the 2 x 2.Edit - She is happy to focus on a toy that is ahead of her after a jump... perhaps if I practice throwing it after a jump, she will get the hang of what I am after for the weaves? I am liking how this seems to be building value for the weaves - she is just so excited. ;) The food or toy is meant to be thrown AFTER she has gone through the set, not used as a lure. You throw the food/toy along the line of travel so that she learns to keep going in that direction....does that make sense :D sort of throw it as she is coming out of the weave & if she goes forward to get the food, then she wont be looking back at you. Yes, that does make sense. I have been throwing a toy after she has gone through, but maybe I have been doing it a tad late. I even have a marker for the middle (won't be any use to me when we start at different angles). I do have the 2x2 dvd, and I've watched it a few times and taken notes, but I'll have to watch it again. Maybe some remedial toy throwing work for the handler. Edit - Thank you! Edited March 7, 2011 by Henrietta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrietta Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) When I go place a reward in the correct reward position, she has started to look back at me whilst she is going through the 2 x 2. The dog will look back if you're late delivering the reward. It has to be there as the dog arrives after a correct run. If you're late, they will turn back to you looking for it. It's almost better to occasionally reward early by accident for a slighty incorrect run than to be late with a correct run. If you "place" a reward before you send the dog on the run, it's hard to remove it if the run is not correct. Part of the DVD instruction involves getting the trainer to practice throwing the reward at a target until there is a reasonably reliable placement and timing. Sorry, that was really bad phrasing on my part. I have been throwing the reward with correct placement (well, I hope), not just placing it. Again, bad choice of words. I do believe I might be late with my reward timing. I'll have a look at the DVD again for that section on throwing the reward. Edit - Thank you! Edited March 7, 2011 by Henrietta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 When I go place a reward in the correct reward position, she has started to look back at me whilst she is going through the 2 x 2. The dog will look back if you're late delivering the reward. It has to be there as the dog arrives after a correct run. If you're late, they will turn back to you looking for it. It's almost better to occasionally reward early by accident for a slighty incorrect run than to be late with a correct run. If you "place" a reward before you send the dog on the run, it's hard to remove it if the run is not correct. Part of the DVD instruction involves getting the trainer to practice throwing the reward at a target until there is a reasonably reliable placement and timing. Sorry, that was really bad phrasing on my part. I have been throwing the reward with correct placement (well, I hope), not just placing it. Again, bad choice of words. I do believe I might be late with my reward timing. I'll have a look at the DVD again for that section on throwing the reward. Edit - Thank you! I wouldn't be too concerned with that, Geordie does it too b/c he's just too bloody fast for me! I have to ensure he does get the correct entry because a couple of times I accidentally rewarded - he learned he could miss the first 2 poles and now I have to go back to the beginning and build more value. I videod him and he does drive forward head down but also looks back at exit, he still learned the method and is single stepping 6 poles so as long as the accuracy is there I wouldn't be worried about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 ETA: Kavik, when ADAA first started out they had two height classes - Maxi and Mini. Mini's jumped 400mm and Maxi's jumped 760mm..... T I am not worried about my fella jumping 650 but 760 :D WOW that is high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) Pretty pointless post ahead While waiting around after our run tonight in the fun jumping teams event (we didn't enter the agility side this time), I was mucking around with weaves with Ruby and pushing her to go faster and she was single stepping them like a pro! When I push her to go fast she can really fly through, but is more prone to popping early. When we play it safe and go slow she doesn't really pop out but it's agonising to watch, so I am going to work on really pushing her for speed from now on and hopefully with enough work she will learn not to pop them! Saying that though, she only popped once out of I think 4 goes when I pushed her so she's not a serial popper which is a good thing Yep, pointless post, but I just wanted to post how chuffed I am at how her weaving speed has really picked up! I hope with enough work we can get that speed in a trial, too!! Edited March 8, 2011 by RubyStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrietta Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 When I go place a reward in the correct reward position, she has started to look back at me whilst she is going through the 2 x 2. The dog will look back if you're late delivering the reward. It has to be there as the dog arrives after a correct run. If you're late, they will turn back to you looking for it. It's almost better to occasionally reward early by accident for a slighty incorrect run than to be late with a correct run. If you "place" a reward before you send the dog on the run, it's hard to remove it if the run is not correct. Part of the DVD instruction involves getting the trainer to practice throwing the reward at a target until there is a reasonably reliable placement and timing. Sorry, that was really bad phrasing on my part. I have been throwing the reward with correct placement (well, I hope), not just placing it. Again, bad choice of words. I do believe I might be late with my reward timing. I'll have a look at the DVD again for that section on throwing the reward. Edit - Thank you! I wouldn't be too concerned with that, Geordie does it too b/c he's just too bloody fast for me! I have to ensure he does get the correct entry because a couple of times I accidentally rewarded - he learned he could miss the first 2 poles and now I have to go back to the beginning and build more value. I videod him and he does drive forward head down but also looks back at exit, he still learned the method and is single stepping 6 poles so as long as the accuracy is there I wouldn't be worried about it. Thanks SnT, I will get someone to video us so I can understand what's going on and make sure it's all ok before I decide what to do next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Eek! I am entering Jedi in his first agility trial (ADAA)!! I hope I don't trip over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 maybe we could start a thread on how to stuff up an agility run (handler errors)... Ie try not to crash into a jump either... Ie the balance between "keep your eyes on the dog" and "look where you're going". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Ie the balance between "keep your eyes on the dog" and "look where you're going". That's always my issue! But I haven't fallen over yet... But knowing my luck, the first time would be at a trial! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Ie the balance between "keep your eyes on the dog" and "look where you're going". That's always my issue! But I haven't fallen over yet... But knowing my luck, the first time would be at a trial! At the risk of embarrassing myself (again!!!) click I was watching Zig to see if he could make the distance challenge (Open Jumping) On the up side we actually got a Q Edited March 8, 2011 by The Spotted Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Terranik Congrats on entering... I'm having fun figuring out how to join SACA so I'm eligible to compete but as a pair we're not quite ready yet. go the mock trials... So, I've fallen over a few times umpiring hockey - same deal - can't look where you're going and watch the play. And sometimes the ground just grabs you by the heel and won't let go. So I reckon, it can be a little bit like horse riding, if you never fall over (or off), you're not running fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) So I reckon, it can be a little bit like horse riding, if you never fall over (or off), you're not running fast enough. I like it! TSD - I'm sure there will be plenty of videos like that of me! Congrats on the Q! Edited March 8, 2011 by TerraNik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Ie the balance between "keep your eyes on the dog" and "look where you're going". That's always my issue! But I haven't fallen over yet... But knowing my luck, the first time would be at a trial! At the risk of embarrassing myself (again!!!) click I was watching Zig to see if he could make the distance challenge (Open Jumping) On the up side we actually got a Q Ouch - but good boy Ziggy - he had a quick look (to make sure if you were OK ? ) and then kept going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I may be back in the thread! Toby's leg is improving so much as I condition his muscles that I may get to put him back in the ring eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Ie the balance between "keep your eyes on the dog" and "look where you're going". That's always my issue! But I haven't fallen over yet... But knowing my luck, the first time would be at a trial! At the risk of embarrassing myself (again!!!) click I was watching Zig to see if he could make the distance challenge (Open Jumping) On the up side we actually got a Q Ouch - but good boy Ziggy - he had a quick look (to make sure if you were OK ? ) and then kept going. I think it was more "Come on woman! Put in will you!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I may be back in the thread! Toby's leg is improving so much as I condition his muscles that I may get to put him back in the ring eventually That's wonderful RV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I may be back in the thread! Toby's leg is improving so much as I condition his muscles that I may get to put him back in the ring eventually - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 Pretty pointless post ahead While waiting around after our run tonight in the fun jumping teams event (we didn't enter the agility side this time), I was mucking around with weaves with Ruby and pushing her to go faster and she was single stepping them like a pro! When I push her to go fast she can really fly through, but is more prone to popping early. When we play it safe and go slow she doesn't really pop out but it's agonising to watch, so I am going to work on really pushing her for speed from now on and hopefully with enough work she will learn not to pop them! Saying that though, she only popped once out of I think 4 goes when I pushed her so she's not a serial popper which is a good thing Yep, pointless post, but I just wanted to post how chuffed I am at how her weaving speed has really picked up! I hope with enough work we can get that speed in a trial, too!! not pointless at all! Well done RS what you described above accounts for much of the reason dogs run differently between training & trialling. Most of us are guilty of it somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 I may be back in the thread! Toby's leg is improving so much as I condition his muscles that I may get to put him back in the ring eventually great news!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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