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I thought the old rules considered 1st places in separate heights trials? I know there is an Ag Ch 300 Tentie and there are other small Ag Champs, don't think they would've been able to rack up 10 odd first places against 500s?

That is sad FHRP, it's still a massive achievement

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If your dog is borderline on height how do you work out which group they will jump in?

My dog is just on the 600 line but there's really nothing in her being a 500 or 600 dog. A breeze or wet coat or even the measurer could make a difference to the outcome :laugh:

I think she should be 600 because she is a little taller than a standard poodle who was measured at 600. Also it doesn't really make a difference to her what height she jumps and not being in 500 would mean less chance of competing against the super fast herding breeds :laugh:

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I think both the new AgCh rules and old have both pros and cons about them. I guess with the new rules it takes away that needing to win scenario, now handlers can take their time gaining it knowing all too well everytime they go clear they will gain points. I still think the title isnt easy to achieve you still need to be consistant and if you have a fast dog that places in every trial just means you will gain it a little easier than with a slower dog that will go clear in every trial but may not place, however, that doesnt take it away from either dog given both are a great consistant dog.

It is a real shame to see dogs and handlers like vickie and trim fall shy of such a well deserved title, these two have become one of the most consistant teams around, so to now have to utilise all that hard earned work into points is a real shame. As sad as that is, i suspect it wont take them long to gain it with the consistant fast runs they are having :).

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Does anyone have some good exercises for weave entries?

She was taught using a channel and we had no issues to start with. Something has confused her, and we've come to a point where she's so confused about the entry that she's totally lost confidence and doesn't even want to try. Once she gets into the weaves she knows exactly what to do and is very reliable and quite fast for a novice dog :)

I was thinking of using a guide on the first pole mainly to build her confidence.

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Vickie can probably explain it better than I can :laugh: I'll see if she drops in first to explain it before trying to explain it myself.

I hope you don't mind but this was the explanation you were kind enough to send me when I was asking you/Vicki about how to do the three pole entry:

I think slanted poles are great for building drive through the poles and footwork but not so good for entries, which is where 3 pole or 2 x 2 comes in to it. The 3 pole method uses a combination of luring and shaping (depending on how you want to do it). Uses 3 poles so stick in the ground type are great. Depending on how keen you are and how proficient at shaping you can either shape them going through the first set of poles or lure them through the 3 poles and reward as their head is even with the last pole. If luring, after doing that a couple of times the next time wait to see if they will offer you going towards the poles. If so (any movement towards poles) click and lure through the rest to reward at last pole. Gradually shape them to offer more before clicking, and do from both left and right. Then remember to do all your entry angles.

It has worked very well for my two so thanks again!

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I'm glad it worked well for you :) I knew I had put the explanation somewhere on here :laugh: I'm sure Vickie will be happy to explain further if what I wrote doesn't make sense.

I was very grateful you took the time to reply to my question! :) Elbie is doing well on the weave poles but is still to build up speed.

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Just a little brag, but Jovi after a few weeks of foundation lessons has started being able to do 4-5 obstacle sequences!! At the moment it mainly consists of jumps, tunnels, and tyre jumps with front and rear crosses but I am very proud of my little girl, she is also doing a full set of slightly off center weaves.

Haven't started any contacts yet but her 2o2o is very good so can't wait to give it a go :D

She is certainly enjoying herself and training, which is what I was after as well!

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Hmmm that weaver entry thing sounds like something I could use. Thanks for that will go and have a play :)

So you use three poles, straight up as per what they would be for normal weaving and c/t as their head is level with the third pole. I am guessing because their is only the three, you then work on sending them from all angles??

Sorry for probably what is a dumb question but am wanting to get it right :)

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You c/t (or mark with word) as they stick their head in the correct entry, but reward when their head is even with the third pole (c/t for correct choice for entry). Yes the poles are straight, and do it from all angles. At first you may need to mark movement in the right direction (and lure the rest) until they get the idea (depends on how good they are at shaping)

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