RubyStar Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hmm I would have thought it would be a DQ - Rubystar because she had taken the obstacle out of sequence. If you are referring to H's dog on the weekend's jumping course, yes that would be a DQ as she took a wrong course (and exited the ring to do it in another ring to boot!) The course I am thinking about is the weekend's agility one with Ruby. She touched the dogwalk, in the correct obstacle sequence, but I called her off it when she hesistated after placing her 2 paws on it. She did it again with the A-Frame, and in the correct order. Not that it matters, I was simply curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Hmm I would have thought it would be a DQ - Rubystar because she had taken the obstacle out of sequence. Yes, if it's out of order it would be DQ but if the dog starts but doesn't complete the obstacle (in the right order) it would be a fault I think. A dog that hesitates at the tunnel (without touching it or going past) can be classed as a refusal - especially a dog that spins - I've seen that quite a bit. Yes that would be correct. If you view Millie's jumping round from the weekend, she hesitated on a tunnel then we got a refusal. Also on a jump. Another Q, do you get DQ'd after you hit a certain number of refusals and/or penalties? I ask this one because Millie did everything and in correct order on her jumping course but got DQ'd. I figured it was cos she got 3 refusals and 1 penalty I swear I will read the rules Might do it on my lunch break Edited January 25, 2011 by RubyStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Was it the next obstacle in the sequence? I'm now confused I have a feeling Ptolomy is thinking of someone else's dog who did touch the contact out of sequence. I asked because Ruby touched hers in the correct sequence and I haven't posted that video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 It's a refusal for jumping off, then if she didn't do the obstacle after the intial refusal it is a DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) I don't think so RS - but if a dog is getting a lot of faults they often end up doing something that gets them DQ'd. So sometimes you miss the DQ element if that makes sense. ETA: Amypie has something - I think 3 refusals on one piece of equipment could be a DQ? Edited January 25, 2011 by The Spotted Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) I don't think so RS - but if a dog is getting a lot of faults they often end up doing something that gets them DQ'd. So sometimes you miss the DQ element if that makes sense. I edited my post above, just in case that makes the answer any different The video can be found on my channel if anyone wants to make their own judgement. Username bingaling81. Again like I said, it really doesn't matter, but I am just curious and trying to find out as a learning experience Edit: here is the video Just curious why she got DQ'd in the end. She go 3 refusals (on 3 different things) and 1 penalty. Actually, thinking about it, unless she got DQ'd cos she failed a second attempt at the last tunnel? Edited January 25, 2011 by RubyStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Yep it is TSD - 3 refusals = DQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) It's a refusal for jumping off, then if she didn't do the obstacle after the intial refusal it is a DQ. Ok thanks! This clears up Ruby's dogwalk mishap for my curious mind for future trials Still a bit over Millie's tragic jumping round being DQ'd Edited January 25, 2011 by RubyStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agility Dogs Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hmm I would have thought it would be a DQ - Rubystar because she had taken the obstacle out of sequence. Yes, if it's out of order it would be DQ but if the dog starts but doesn't complete the obstacle (in the right order) it would be a fault I think. A dog that hesitates at the tunnel (without touching it or going past) can be classed as a refusal - especially a dog that spins - I've seen that quite a bit. That's it, sorry, I assumed that it was out of order - can't imagine why you would call the dog off an obstacle if it wasn't. If they do attempt it and jump off or are called off then it is a refusal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hmm I would have thought it would be a DQ - Rubystar because she had taken the obstacle out of sequence. Yes, if it's out of order it would be DQ but if the dog starts but doesn't complete the obstacle (in the right order) it would be a fault I think. A dog that hesitates at the tunnel (without touching it or going past) can be classed as a refusal - especially a dog that spins - I've seen that quite a bit. That's it, sorry, I assumed that it was out of order - can't imagine why you would call the dog off an obstacle if it wasn't. If they do attempt it and jump off or are called off then it is a refusal. Because Ruby has dogwalk issues She's a "I think I can, I think I can.... nope, I can't" kinda dog so I didn't want her to get frazzled. It was a fun teams event so I wasn't concerned calling her off. Just means we won't be entering agility for a while until I sort it out, and stick with jumping where she has a hoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agility Dogs Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 It's a refusal for jumping off, then if she didn't do the obstacle after the intial refusal it is a DQ. Ok thanks! This clears up Ruby's dogwalk mishap for my curious mind for future trials Still a bit over Millie's tragic jumping round being DQ'd I think she might have clocked up more than 3 refusals in that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) It's a refusal for jumping off, then if she didn't do the obstacle after the intial refusal it is a DQ. Ok thanks! This clears up Ruby's dogwalk mishap for my curious mind for future trials Still a bit over Millie's tragic jumping round being DQ'd I think she might have clocked up more than 3 refusals in that one. Ah cool, thanks! I am loading the video up now to take another look Edit: we are talking about the many refusals on the one tunnel, right? Edited January 25, 2011 by RubyStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agility Dogs Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hmm I would have thought it would be a DQ - Rubystar because she had taken the obstacle out of sequence. Yes, if it's out of order it would be DQ but if the dog starts but doesn't complete the obstacle (in the right order) it would be a fault I think. A dog that hesitates at the tunnel (without touching it or going past) can be classed as a refusal - especially a dog that spins - I've seen that quite a bit. That's it, sorry, I assumed that it was out of order - can't imagine why you would call the dog off an obstacle if it wasn't. If they do attempt it and jump off or are called off then it is a refusal. Because Ruby has dogwalk issues She's a "I think I can, I think I can.... nope, I can't" kinda dog so I didn't want her to get frazzled. It was a fun teams event so I wasn't concerned calling her off. Just means we won't be entering agility for a while until I sort it out, and stick with jumping where she has a hoot Good plan - calling her off only tells her that it is OK to jump off or that if she creeps she's going to get out of it. I'd be working on getting the whole thing confident before asking her to do it at full height in with the pressure of a trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Just checked the rules - yep DQ for 3 or more faults Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agility Dogs Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 It's a refusal for jumping off, then if she didn't do the obstacle after the intial refusal it is a DQ. Ok thanks! This clears up Ruby's dogwalk mishap for my curious mind for future trials Still a bit over Millie's tragic jumping round being DQ'd I think she might have clocked up more than 3 refusals in that one. Ah cool, thanks! I am loading the video up now to take another look Edit: we are talking about the many refusals on the one tunnel, right? That was two of them. I also saw - Yellow Tunnel out the back (not signalled, not sure if it was or not), The jump out the back, the jump in the middle, then the 2 at the tunnel. I woudn't worry too much though - most dogs do that when they start. all part of the fun!! My boy still does it after 2 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Good plan - calling her off only tells her that it is OK to jump off or that if she creeps she's going to get out of it. I'd be working on getting the whole thing confident before asking her to do it at full height in with the pressure of a trial. Sorry AD, I sense your sarcasm in that post. While I agree, I have already mentioned that we won't be entering agility. This was a fun teams event we organised entering while she actually was confident on the dog walk - an accident caused this problem. Believe me, she isn't being put over a full sized one and I am working my ass off in training to fix this issue. But if it never gets fixed, I am not overly concerned - we do this just for fun and I will just stick with jumping with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 It's a refusal for jumping off, then if she didn't do the obstacle after the intial refusal it is a DQ. Ok thanks! This clears up Ruby's dogwalk mishap for my curious mind for future trials Still a bit over Millie's tragic jumping round being DQ'd I think she might have clocked up more than 3 refusals in that one. Ah cool, thanks! I am loading the video up now to take another look Edit: we are talking about the many refusals on the one tunnel, right? That was two of them. I also saw - Yellow Tunnel out the back (not signalled, not sure if it was or not), The jump out the back, the jump in the middle, then the 2 at the tunnel. I woudn't worry too much though - most dogs do that when they start. all part of the fun!! My boy still does it after 2 years! That was my question, is it refusals all up over an entire course or refusals on one piece of equipment equalling a DQ. I saw 3 refusals myself and 1 penalty (and I too agree that the first tunnel should have been called as a refusal). As for worrying, I'm not She has had hardly any training, this was the first full course she has probably run and considering all that, she did damn well in my eyes and tried her pants off!! I couldn't have asked for anything more! Now, back to training for her :nahnah: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Just checked the rules - yep DQ for 3 or more faults RS - 3 in total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Just checked the rules - yep DQ for 3 or more faults RS - 3 in total Thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J... Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Some of the application of the rules will depend on the judge as well - particularly with games where you pick your own path. Taking a dog off an obstacle will earn you a DQ immediately under some of our judges for safety reasons, regardless of whether it's a toe hair or all four feet. Most of them will mention this in the briefing, along with any other course issues/no go zones. (i.e. handlers being able to run between a tunnel and a jump which are set really close). Some of our judges are massive sticklers for the rules, others will turn a blind eye - have seen a dog complete 4 to 5 weave poles as an off course obstacle and still win the ring with a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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