woody2shoes Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Hi, A friend of mine recently told me about a couple of unusual experiences he'd had during the course of years of breeding. He was at a loss to explain them to me - 1) a perfectly healthy pup born inside two amniotic sacs 2) two pups, different colours, both attached to the one placenta by separate umbilical cords, and in individual sacs Has anyone else come across both/either of these or, alternatively, have you had other whelping 'oddities'? w2s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stolzseinrotts Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 (edited) Yes we have had number two a few times now. It appears to run in the lines I have bred on with. Actually I look forward to seeing it when I do use that lineage. Our first lot of twins have turned out to be very very nice dogs (a dog and bitch), both class in Specialty winners. They were the smallest in their litter, but both have grown to be just over the middle height for our breed. The second ones have grown to be large substantial dogs, again a dog and a bitch. In our case the are all coloured the same. :D Edited for spelling - naughty me........should of checked that before Edited June 18, 2010 by Stolzseinrotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Had two of the first in my November 2009 litter of 9 Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Apparently it is a sign of a fairly late puppy demise and absorption so potentially my litter could have been 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisart Dobes Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 In our case the are all coloured the same. Really ?? From your website pictures I thought you had some grey / tan rotties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashanali Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 2) two pups, different colours, both attached to the one placenta by separate umbilical cords, and in individual sacs The same as in humans, they are 'twins' in the sense that they are born at the same time... the same as fraternal (non-identical) twins, sometimes the placentas fuse, sometimes they don't. All it means is that the embryos implanted close together in the uterine wall and as the placentas grew larger, they fused. This happened with my human twins, they started off very separate and by the end it was just one massive placenta, but the babies were obviously in separate amniotic sacs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stolzseinrotts Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 (edited) In our case the are all coloured the same. Really ?? From your website pictures I thought you had some grey / tan rotties And yes we do have those to, but don't tell anyone........ We love our Mud Monsters!!! Edited June 18, 2010 by Stolzseinrotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2shoes Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 2) two pups, different colours, both attached to the one placenta by separate umbilical cords, and in individual sacs The same as in humans, they are 'twins' in the sense that they are born at the same time... the same as fraternal (non-identical) twins, sometimes the placentas fuse, sometimes they don't. All it means is that the embryos implanted close together in the uterine wall and as the placentas grew larger, they fused. This happened with my human twins, they started off very separate and by the end it was just one massive placenta, but the babies were obviously in separate amniotic sacs. Thanks Ashanali, I knew there had to be an explanation for this! Had two of the first in my November 2009 litter of 9 Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Apparently it is a sign of a fairly late puppy demise and absorption so potentially my litter could have been 11. The pup in this instance was by far the smallest which is probably consistent with what you're saying ellz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisces730 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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