Sick Of Big Dogs Stalking My Swf What Can I Do?

[Mrs Rusty Bucket]

The trouble is - nobody reports the aggressive SWF to council, so there's no history when the SWF gets eaten by a big dog defending itself. So the big dog gets the blame.

SWF with fear aggression is in no danger and should not be rewarded and encouraged by being picked up, when the other dog is on lead and at a safe distance. This SWF never has a chance to learn that not all dogs are dangerous or how to do a proper doggy greeting.

And the owner won't learn these things either.

Edited June 16, 2010 by Mrs Rusty Bucket

[Loving my Oldies]

Don't take your dog in off-leash areas.

Don't take your dog in areas where there will be other dogs.

Kthnxbai.

Excellent post, DerRottweilier --- NOT !!

DerRottwelier - that solves nothing ... instead my dog becomes a jailed prisoner that never gets to enjoy outside

Exactly.

I'm pretty tired of people who talk about small dog syndrome. If there is any syndrome involved, it is that of the owners and there are several operating I think:

1. They think because there dogs are small and cute (sometimes) they don't have to be trained.

2. The first thing they do when they see another dog is pick their dog up.

3. They don't correct their dogs when they start barking just because they see another dog

4. Generally speaking, little dogs don't get any training.

And so on.

I walk several dogs at once and because I can never be sure that one won't give a bark and set the others off when I see larger and unknown dogs coming towards me, I cross over the street and let the owner of the other dog know I am doing it because mine might bark at their dog. I know it is rude, I know owners of other dogs hate it, especially when their dog is beautifully behaved.

There is a woman around the corner from me who has an SWF and a Border Collie. The BC is one of the most beautifully behaved dogs you would ever want to meet and hopefully the SWF will learn from him, but the woman has absolutely no control and when she walks them (her husband must be away because generally he walks the BC) she is like this being pulled along by the little dog and the BC is following suit. The first thing she does if anyone gets close is to pick the little dog up . I tell her not to, but she is too scared.

Edited June 17, 2010 by Mother Moocher

[megan_]

Sigh. Someone turns to DOL for help and it turns to small dog bashing. My dogs are small and very well behaved. They don't run up to any dogs without my permission. My boy has been stalked, charged, picked up and flung into the air by a dobe - it wasn't herding or play drive, it was prey drive. He was on his lead and we were minding our own business.

[poodlefan]

I often wonder how those folk who talk about "small dog syndrome" have contemplated how their dogs would react to an approach by a dog 10 times larger than theirs either at speed or displaying signs of aggression.

Bad manners aren't confined to size - or dogs for that owner. I blame owners for their failure to control and train their dogs.. not the dogs.

[Loving my Oldies]

I often wonder how those folk who talk about "small dog syndrome" have contemplated how their dogs would react to an approach by a dog 10 times larger than theirs either at speed or displaying signs of aggression.

Bad manners aren't confined to size - or dogs for that owner. I blame owners for their failure to control and train their dogs.. not the dogs.

Well said, poodlefan. I tell that to people who wonder why their children are afraid or anxious about dogs. Even a small dog can be big to the child.

We'd be pretty worried if a strange horse wandered across the park to have a sniff at us.

[shortstep]

I often wonder how those folk who talk about "small dog syndrome" have contemplated how their dogs would react to an approach by a dog 10 times larger than theirs either at speed or displaying signs of aggression.

Bad manners aren't confined to size - or dogs for that owner. I blame owners for their failure to control and train their dogs.. not the dogs.

Exactly, that is why I posted my way to resolve this issue. Some people never get it, that their dogs are out of control and I am not please by being approched by their out of control dogs. Who knows what is in their minds.

But I do know that most people will understand that, when a person screams out 'get your dog away from me, I am frighten of your dog, your dog is trying to bite me", that they will take notice of this, will not argue, will get their dog and will beat a fast retreat. As I said, it works like a charm every time. Big or small dogs, smart or stupid owners, it works.

edited to add,

Just wanted to say, First I pick up my dog (if possible) or block the path to my dog, then I call out 'call your dog away from me' to the owner, then after they say back to me 'my dog is friendly', I call back 'I am not friendly, call your dog'.

If this fails and the dog approaches, then I begin the above response to a dog I see as out of control and has an owner who refuses or fails to control it.

Edited June 17, 2010 by shortstep

[DerRottweiler]

Yes small dog syndrome is the fault of the owner, due to poor training and socialisation.

If your dog has small dog syndrome OR you are afraid of your dog getting attacked, then the solution really is to avoid such places, or, take them at quiet times,

or lobby for a small dog only park.

In the real world, off-lead park = giant, large, medium, small and toy breed dogs. Shit can happen due to no fault of your own, whether you are wise about it or not is really your own choice.

[shortstep]

Yes small dog syndrome is the fault of the owner, due to poor training and socialisation.

If your dog has small dog syndrome OR you are afraid of your dog getting attacked, then the solution really is to avoid such places, or, take them at quiet times,

or lobby for a small dog only park.

In the real world, off-lead park = giant, large, medium, small and toy breed dogs. Shit can happen due to no fault of your own, whether you are wise about it or not is really your own choice.

Not that I think you really mean what you saying, clearly it is not a case of shit happens.

I do not have a small dogs, so no small dog syndrom here. for that matter I may not even have a dog with me at all and be in the dog park. If I ask someone to call their dog away from me and I claim to be frighten and beleive the dog is going to bite me, and the owner fails to call that dog away from me. It will not be a matter of shit happening in the real world.

Out of control dogs are out of control dogs, anywhere and any size dog, even out of control big dogs that have big dog syndrom.

Edited June 17, 2010 by shortstep

[Loving my Oldies]

then after they say back to me 'my dog is friendly', I call back 'I am not friendly, call your dog'.

Yummy - I'll use this one, thank you

Yes small dog syndrome is the fault of the owner, due to poor training and socialisation.

You don't get it do you.

[LDR]

My littlie (4.2kg mini foxie) seems to be a target for being bothered, I honestly think sometimes that larger dogs think "oooh a moving squeaky toy!!" as the other littlies walk straight past.

I have found stopping and engaging with the owners / dog very useful - a simple "Can you heel your dog please? Mine's a bit scared". Then we "meet" the other dog on equal terms and generally the outcome is great. Timmy now has a Whippet buddy, a Whippet "girlfriend" (Oh how he hearts Rosie), quite a few Border Collie friends and his favourite, the big mixed breed boofa Benson who play bows to get Timmy to chase him.

Other dogs that I know to rush us, well I cross the street / leave the park. Bummer but worth it for my sanity!!

[DerRottweiler]

Yes small dog syndrome is the fault of the owner, due to poor training and socialisation.

If your dog has small dog syndrome OR you are afraid of your dog getting attacked, then the solution really is to avoid such places, or, take them at quiet times,

or lobby for a small dog only park.

In the real world, off-lead park = giant, large, medium, small and toy breed dogs. Shit can happen due to no fault of your own, whether you are wise about it or not is really your own choice.

Not that I think you really mean what you saying, clearly it is not a case of shit happens.

I do not have a small dogs, so no small dog syndrom here. for that matter I may not even have a dog with me at all and be in the dog park. If I ask someone to call their dog away from me and I claim to be frighten and beleive the dog is going to bite me, and the owner fails to call that dog away from me. It will not be a matter of shit happening in the real world.

Out of control dogs are out of control dogs, anywhere and any size dog, even out of control big dogs that have big dog syndrom.

lol what are you smoking cuz. Unfortunately, I am only limited to reading what I actually wrote, not what you think I wrote.

Did I say out of control dogs are not out of control dogs? Or that there is not such thing as big dog syndrome?

Here I will summarise in point form for you:

1: All dogs can be out of control, big, small, microscopic whatever.

2: These dogs WILL often frequent off-leash parks.

3: If you have a small dog, the threat from other dogs is greater when compared to the threat exhibited towards a big dog.

4: In light of the aforementioned threat, the safest option for the small dog owner is avoidance. No problem in taking the dog out if it is well mannered etc, but this does not eliminate external threat.

Good day to you sir.

[poodlefan]

lol what are you smoking cuz. Unfortunately, I am only limited to reading what I actually wrote, not what you think I wrote.

Did I say out of control dogs are not out of control dogs? Or that there is not such thing as big dog syndrome?

Here I will summarise in point form for you:

1: All dogs can be out of control, big, small, microscopic whatever.

2: These dogs WILL often frequent off-leash parks.

3: If you have a small dog, the threat from other dogs is greater when compared to the threat exhibited towards a big dog.

4: In light of the aforementioned threat, the safest option for the small dog owner is avoidance. No problem in taking the dog out if it is well mannered etc, but this does not eliminate external threat.

Good day to you sir.

That's my strategy.

[MalteseLuna]

Sigh. Someone turns to DOL for help and it turns to small dog bashing. My dogs are small and very well behaved. They don't run up to any dogs without my permission. My boy has been stalked, charged, picked up and flung into the air by a dobe - it wasn't herding or play drive, it was prey drive. He was on his lead and we were minding our own business.

Exactly - this has happened too many times to count to me. Luna is well behaved and polite she doesn't bark at other dogs (she hardly ever barks at all), I pick her up when I am not sure about the other dog (giving signs of aggression or at speed) and I can't avoid going past them or am being approached (by dog with aggression signs or high speed) with no hope of the owner doing anything. I also try to head off the dog i.e. stand in front of Luna and this is often helpful.

I often wonder how those folk who talk about "small dog syndrome" have contemplated how their dogs would react to an approach by a dog 10 times larger than theirs either at speed or displaying signs of aggression.

Bad manners aren't confined to size - or dogs for that owner. I blame owners for their failure to control and train their dogs.. not the dogs.

Exactly what I was trying to get at - very eloquent! I wasn't annoyed at the dog as much as the owners who weren't doing anything to stop their dog. I was outraged that the owner of the kelpie (1) wasn't watching her dog and didn't call it back the first time and (2) when she finally was watching didn't call it back or ANYTHING until my dad had thrown a bag near it's head and then the response was "how dare you ..." when it should have been "I'm sorry about that, XXXX come here" and places dog on the lead.

I doubt many big dog owners have considered what their dog would do in a situation where a dog even 3-5 times their size stalked and then ran at speed towards them - I doubt it would end happily and so instead of the sympathy for small dog owners one might expect there is ridicule and small dog owners are told to keep their dogs away so the big 'real' dogs can play maybe the big dogs with high prey drive who go for little dogs should be kept away instead of the well behaved little dogs who have done NOTHING wrong.

And yes a herding dog which is stalking or herding another DOG regardless of size is acting inappropriately.

But then as I don't wish my dog to be fatally injured I will have to avoid most parks unless armed with a super soaker.

[DerRottweiler]

But then as I don't wish my dog to be fatally injured I will have to avoid most parks unless armed with a super soaker.

Hmm just don't get dobbed in by someone who mistakes you for a terrorist! lawl.

[MalteseLuna]

But then as I don't wish my dog to be fatally injured I will have to avoid most parks unless armed with a super soaker.

Hmm just don't get dobbed in by someone who mistakes you for a terrorist! lawl.

I'll be sure it's a nice neon coloured one Maybe I should get a shirt that says "if your dog goes for mine expect it to get super soaked!"

[poodlefan]

But then as I don't wish my dog to be fatally injured I will have to avoid most parks unless armed with a super soaker.

Hmm just don't get dobbed in by someone who mistakes you for a terrorist! lawl.

I'll be sure it's a nice neon coloured one Maybe I should get a shirt that says "if your dog goes for mine expect it to get super soaked!"

Sadly, if a dog really means business, the super soaker won't work.

My alternate suggestion is to buy a Bullmastiff, bond it strongly to Luna, train it well and let it do its job. A acquaintance of mine's Rottie has taken out two dogs hell bent on attacking the family Shih Tzu.

Edited June 17, 2010 by poodlefan

[MalteseLuna]

I'm pretty much resigned to the tactic of avoidance - have been avoiding places for awhile this was one of those rare occasions I went with my parents somewhere.

Maybe I should just buy my own island - beach, park and house all solved in one ... pity about the price tag attached

[poodlefan]

I'm pretty much resigned to the tactic of avoidance - have been avoiding places for awhile this was one of those rare occasions I went with my parents somewhere.

Maybe I should just buy my own island - beach, park and house all solved in one ... pity about the price tag attached

Walking at dawn would probably be cheaper. The idiots seem to llike to sleep in.

[casowner]

But then as I don't wish my dog to be fatally injured I will have to avoid most parks unless armed with a super soaker.

Hmm just don't get dobbed in by someone who mistakes you for a terrorist! lawl.

I'll be sure it's a nice neon coloured one Maybe I should get a shirt that says "if your dog goes for mine expect it to get super soaked!"

Sadly, if a dog really means business, the super soaker won't work.

My alternate suggestion is to buy a Bullmastiff, bond it strongly to Luna, train it well and let it do its job. A acquaintance of mine's Rottie has taken out two dogs hell bent on attacking the family Shih Tzu.

I quite happily take my CASD out with my pom cross chihuahua and have never had any issues with other dogs even wanting to approach us, maybe because owners tend to put their dogs on leashes when they see Jake approaching them. Jake is always on a short ezy dog leash, in fact I was thinking of maybe putting a camel saddle on him so Shannon doesn't have to try to walk so fast

[poodlefan]

I quite happily take my CASD out with my pom cross chihuahua and have never had any issues with other dogs even wanting to approach us, maybe because owners tend to put their dogs on leashes when they see Jake approaching them. Jake is always on a short ezy dog leash, in fact I was thinking of maybe putting a camel saddle on him so Shannon doesn't have to try to walk so fast

It would be nice to take your SWF and CASD to a dog park and watch the out of control dogs be collected up by their worried owners.